The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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I notice on this thread there is an awful lot of personal preference in the hope of the outcome.

I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."

Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so - so if that holds true, then it must be a dislike for the victim, an undue appreciation of Derek who deserves no accolades and a total disregard for common sense.

Derek is a murderer. So rather than trying to pin hopes to guilty or not guilty, whether the defense wins or not, is there anyone on here who seriously thinks that what this guy did was even close to acceptable? And if so, may I say how fucking low your standards have become for LAW OFFICERS, much like your teachers and other overly represented groups that get an outsized deification for wearing a label.
I think a lot of people see Floyd’s actions (where this isn’t the first time for him) as something they would never do. I don’t think a lot of us would be high on multiple drugs and then have this sort of reaction to police presence. Does that make what Derek did acceptable? I’m honestly not sure. Maybe not. My opinion on the entire situation changes every day of the trial.

My personal opinion on Floyd? Anyone who holds a gun at a pregnant woman’s stomach can rot in hell. His kids couldn’t even recognize him. I don’t really gaf about him and I’m curious what his contribution to society was. I make an effort to suppress that opinion of him with the issue at hand.
 
I notice on this thread there is an awful lot of personal preference in the hope of the outcome.

I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."

Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so - so if that holds true, then it must be a dislike for the victim, an undue appreciation of Derek who deserves no accolades and a total disregard for common sense.

Derek is a murderer. So rather than trying to pin hopes to guilty or not guilty, whether the defense wins or not, is there anyone on here who seriously thinks that what this guy did was even close to acceptable? And if so, may I say how fucking low your standards have become for LAW OFFICERS, much like your teachers and other overly represented groups that get an outsized deification for wearing a label.
Most of us couldn't care less about Chauvin himself. Dude could get stabbed to death by bouncers in a Thai brothel and I wouldn't bat an eye. But considering the main discourse derived from this event was about "cops murdering blacks because black" and the "peaceful" destruction that ensued, one thing that had to be set straight was that what happened wasn't murder, and hopefully the discourse changes to actual police reform and not effigy-burning.
 
For all of the noise Floyd was making, he could have ended it all with a few short words:

"I give up. I will go quietly. I am ready to get in the car now."

'Cause every time they play this stuff, the line between 100% bullshit and 100% dead guy seems clearer and clearer with the benefit of hindsight, but being a faker who is faking distress seems like a stupid plan from a stupid man.

It's like lying on the witness stand: The first time you say something that's a lie, everything you ever said can be thrown out.
 
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I notice on this thread there is an awful lot of personal preference in the hope of the outcome.

I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."

Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so - so if that holds true, then it must be a dislike for the victim, an undue appreciation of Derek who deserves no accolades and a total disregard for common sense.

Derek is a murderer. So rather than trying to pin hopes to guilty or not guilty, whether the defense wins or not, is there anyone on here who seriously thinks that what this guy did was even close to acceptable? And if so, may I say how fucking low your standards have become for LAW OFFICERS, much like your teachers and other overly represented groups that get an outsized deification for wearing a label.
It's not murder to let a suspect lay on the ground, at the suspect's request, while you wait for an ambulance to check him out.
 
I notice on this thread there is an awful lot of personal preference in the hope of the outcome.

I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."

Because if Derek did this to anyone you know, you'd probably think he was guilty of murder rightly so - so if that holds true, then it must be a dislike for the victim, an undue appreciation of Derek who deserves no accolades and a total disregard for common sense.

Derek is a murderer. So rather than trying to pin hopes to guilty or not guilty, whether the defense wins or not, is there anyone on here who seriously thinks that what this guy did was even close to acceptable? And if so, may I say how fucking low your standards have become for LAW OFFICERS, much like your teachers and other overly represented groups that get an outsized deification for wearing a label.

Its hard to imagine having this happen to someone I know because no one I know gets high out of their mind, tries to pass counterfeit bills, lingers outside the place they tried to pass said counterfeit bills and gets into a struggle with cops when they show up refusing to get in the police vehicle wanting to lay on the ground instead.
 
I received a lot of training to recognise excited delirium and personally I don't think it's a good point for the defence to push. Yes, it could create extra doubt but I don't think it was the case here from what I've seen. I still think it should be acquittal on all charges but excited delirium ain't it.
 
I'd be interested in a survey that rather than asks "Will be found guilty", is a survey that asks instead "Do you think he murdered the guy, but should get away with it because I don't like the victim."
I haven't yet changed my vote on the "not guilty enough" result. I hope I'm wrong. While I have slowly come around to the general view that Chauvin didn't actually kill Floyd, I remain pessimistic about the actual outcome. I am anticipating the worst. He's found guilty of something, and there's still a giant chimpout and multiple cities get burned down anyway.
 
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