The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%

  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%

  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%

  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%
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Throwing Romans said:
I still don't know what the coherent argument the prosecution is making is here. Did he die from the knee? Was it just positional asphyxia? I don't see a coherent narrative with them. We've been watching this shit for two weeks - I should know this by now.
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I think they are trying to say that chauvin shouldn't have touched him. If Floyd was that fucked up on drugs, he would have died anyway, but Chauvin made things worse (as in his knee sped up Floyd's death)
 
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dunno the veracity of this reddit comment but it sounds like content.
 
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Bill The Fucker said:
Does the defense always go second? Seems like a massive last word advantage when it comes to bringing out expert witnesses.
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It probably is, but it's a necessity for 2 reasons.
1 you can't defend against claims that haven't been made, doesn't make sense to let the prosecution drop arguments that can't be addressed.
2 we (allegedly) value innocent until proven guilty, so if one side gets a leg up it makes sense that it'd be the defense.
 
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I wish I could be a doctor because it seems pretty easy. Just be like yeah "lol how can a knee kill a nigga? You for real? He had that much fent in him? Shittttt- Pay me now 80k for my expert review or whatever." and sadly it would be more legitimate than a bunch of experts I have seen at this trial so far.

Hell, in fact, I would just be like "Here is my master thesis on why knees are not that dangerous." and legit play blood fist over and over for the Jury.

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Sheryl Nome said:
"might not have helped" is actually a big issue, that could make it manslaughter.

You don't have a duty, in general, to help someone if they're dying, you damn sure do have one to not help said death along.
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You can generally just literally watch someone die while eating popcorn and have no liability for it. There are exceptions. Watch the final episode of Seinfeld when they're all sent to jail for violating a very specific law, when they're convicted of literally just laughing at people being victimized because they're all absolute scum. (They are convicted of "criminal indifference" under a slightly fictionalized state law.)

However, you can assume a responsibility. If you are personally responsible for the very situation that is causing someone to die, you then actually do have an obligation to render assistance.

So, for instance, if I see someone drowning in a river, I can just sit there and laugh at them and do nothing (unless there is some applicable "criminal indifference" statute). If I actually threw them in the river, though, the situation is entirely different.

Even the rare exception of such indifference statutes generally doesn't require you to put your own life at risk and a mere claim that you feared for your own life would probably get you off, unless you were something like an Olympic level swimmer who could have easily rescued the drowning person with no risk.
 
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Some of this goes back to the constitution:


AMENDMENT VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


The prosecution needs to be up front about what they are alleging, and if they were to go second, they could pull some gotcha shit and be like "Derek Chauvin had a 500-page manifesto in his house declaring his intention to kill a Negro male" and the defense would be like "Aw shit." And if the defense went first, they could present all kinds of information about how this manifesto was really a screenplay and the prosecution could be like "Welp, we weren't going to mention it, but since you brought it up...."
 
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AnOminous said:
Even the rare exception of such indifference statutes generally doesn't require you to put your own life at risk and a mere claim that you feared for your own life would probably get you off, unless you were something like an Olympic level swimmer who could have easily rescued the drowning person with no risk.
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There's no such thing as no risk saving a drowning person and in most cases it's better to just let them drown because they will cling to you and pull you under too.
 
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Shrekking Crew said:
There's no such thing as no risk saving a drowning person and in most cases it's better to just let them drown because they will cling to you and pull you under too.
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I probably picked a bad example. Make the Olympic swimmer the best lifeguard in the history of the world and while we're at it, make him Superman too. I meant to emphasize that there are very, very few cases you will ever be convicted of for not intervening to rescue someone. You are not your brother's keeper.
 
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