The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Dr. Geronimo]

I feel like the 98% levels or whatever don't mean much in this case because of the ventilation he received on the way to the hospital. I tried looking at journal articles on asphyxiation's effects on oxygen levels in the blood, but I found nothing on levels after attempted resuscitation and whether or not it even matters.

It matters in regards to reasonable doubt, and at this point nobody can even agree on what killed him.

 

[TitusOvid]

The defense should have had more witnesses on the stand. I don't like that they are resting so quickly.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

sky had neutral commentary. he only added color for the breaks. today he said " judge cahill calling for a stretch break... whatever that means" .

For the people not in the US, that's when we eat garlic fries and sing "When The Lights Go Down In The City."

Seventh-inning stretch - Wikipedia

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5 minutes later, they did it anyway via the Potato Nigger "Expert" that suggested eating Cigarettes is a good thing for your health and a 90% clogged artery is just fucking DANDY for your heart.

I thought it was the cardiologist who said that a 90% clogged artery is no big deal.

Reminds me of the old joke: "Four out of five dentists agree: Stay away from that fifth dentist."

I just can't understand why the prosecution would bring this up if it torpedoes the asphyxia narrative, which was their strongest case. So, I assume they know something that isn't obvious to us. Without the asphyxia narrative, all they have left is, "well, maybe he did die of a drug overdose, but you should have been doing CPR," which would throw out both murder charges.

There was a case in California a few years ago where prosecutors argued that a man acted alone in killing a woman. He was found guilty, sentenced to death, and ACTUALLY KILLED. While all this was going on, they tried and convicted another man for the same crime, also arguing that this other man had acted alone. The depths of prosecutorial trickery are unfathomable.

The amount of people in this thread seeking to be spoonfed readily available info is abysmal.

Powerlevel but if I ask a seemingly dumb question, it's because I read the Wikipedia article beforehand and it made me dumber.

 

[TFT-A9]

It matters in regards to reasonable doubt, and at this point nobody can even agree on what killed him.

That still gets me. It doesn't really look like the prosecution was doing a great job of establishing cause of death and culpability beyond reasonable doubt from what I saw.

The media coverage that habitually cut out a lot of shit to fill with blathering from talking heads, the prosecution never really looking like they were nailing Chauvin to the wall for sure on anything, this little bit of idiocy with that fucking retard blurting out the O2 stuff and... seriously what the actual fuck is going on and why do I get the weird feeling that "show trial" has become a fucking bizarre double entendre here

 

[Not Really Here]

I feel like the 98% levels or whatever don't mean much in this case because of the ventilation he received on the way to the hospital. I tried looking at journal articles on asphyxiation's effects on oxygen levels in the blood, but I found nothing on levels after attempted resuscitation and whether or not it even matters.

Yeah, seems like something they could have sussed out in some kind of proceeding with experts testifying n sheet.

 

[Leibowitz]

The defense should have had more witnesses on the stand. I don't like that they are resting so quickly.

I feel ya. Maybe Nelson thinks he has made his case to the jury, maybe he doesn't want to bore them like the prosecution did. Either way it feels strange to have such a short defense. I would have expected at least one more day.

 

[mate]

I feel like the 98% levels or whatever don't mean much in this case because of the ventilation he received on the way to the hospital. I tried looking at journal articles on asphyxiation's effects on oxygen levels in the blood, but I found nothing on levels after attempted resuscitation and whether or not it even matters.

Obviously anything they did to him post mortem wouldn't affect the oxygen levels in his blood. He would have no circulation.

(speaking as a homosexual)

 

[TFT-A9]

Yeah, seems like something they could have sussed out in some kind of proceeding with experts testifying n sheet.

Bringing it up at this juncture is quite possibly one of the fucking dumbest things that anyone could have possibly done. If it were allowed as evidence and brought up earlier the prosecution could have wheeled in somebody to say it was probably due to CPR/ventilation and taken that arrow out of the defense's quiver. But now?

 

[Not Really Here]

Bringing it up at this juncture is quite possibly one of the fucking dumbest things that anyone could have possibly done. If it were allowed as evidence and brought up earlier the prosecution could have wheeled in somebody to say it was probably due to CPR/ventilation and taken that arrow out of the defense's quiver. But now?

It's almost like blatant gamesmanship with subpoenaed evidence only being presented when favorable to the state and the defense has no ability to rebut.
Nah the Reddit tier threadshitters from yesterday were right, cop is guilty and everybody posting here are racists circlejerking.

 

[No Face]

Long story short for people wanting to know, the trial is basically a tossup at this point. There is a mixed bag of facts and if you look at a certain portion of them and squint you could see him being guilty, or you look at the rest of the facts and see nothing but reasonable doubt.

No one can really say how the 12 jurors will come down on this, but if I had to bet, I would say that you have at least one juror who is firmly on each side and will never be swayed, and therefore we will probably see a hung jury.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

A mistrial might actually be the worst possible outcome here.

The prosecution looks like a bunch of absolute fuckups, and there could well be extrajudicial bullshit carried out by angry people against the people involved.

Never mind that neither side is actually vindicated in any sense here, a mistrial potentially turns what was already a powder keg into a fucking nuclear bomb.

I know, right? My inner accelerationist is giddy just thinking about it.

All in! No (s)need for restraint here, fellas.

 

[Pizza Munch]

I feel like the judge got called on his own bluff. He said almost word for word and in the most stern voice I've heard him speak during the whole trial "if there is even a HINT of the test results I will declare a mistrial"

Prosecution decides to put the Irish guy on the stand again... who had trouble following the way court works the first time around. I don't even think the point of the CO was on the forefront of juror's minds. Irish guy almost immediately says "test results from X hospital"

Am I missing how this wouldn't be a mistrial?

Tbh I don't really want it to go down that way.. I'd like to see the jury come up with their verdict. I'm just curious

 

[TFT-A9]

I feel like the judge got called on his own bluff. He said almost word for word and in the most stern voice I've heard him speak during the whole trial "if there is even a HINT of the test results I will declare a mistrial"

Prosecution decides to put the Irish guy on the stand again... who had trouble following the way court works the first time around. I don't even think the point of the CO was on the forefront of juror's minds. Irish guy almost immediately says "test results from X hospital"

Am I missing how this wouldn't be a mistrial?

Tbh I don't really want it to go down that way.. I'd like to see the jury come up with their verdict. I'm just curious

I do wonder if the judge failing to follow through on that constitutes any sort of misconduct but something tells me it doesn't really matter anyway.

 

[Fields Of Rye]

Bringing it up at this juncture is quite possibly one of the fucking dumbest things that anyone could have possibly done. If it were allowed as evidence and brought up earlier the prosecution could have wheeled in somebody to say it was probably due to CPR/ventilation and taken that arrow out of the defense's quiver. But now?

So, I may be pulling a QANON here and will probably end up in a cringe compilation for telling people there’s a plan to trust, but here me out

Anyone with some kind of background in medicine will know that Potato was being way too forward with his calculations, that were entirely focused on removing all doubt, gunning for murder. This doctor was by far, the most dangerous part for the defense. I cannot say he was wrong, or lying, but I can guarantee he would not speak to a patient or board in that manner.

the issue was, manslaughter exists too here. You can’t just prove doubt and call it a day.

Nelson knew this doc was going to go balls to the walls every chance he got, and so did his witness. So instead of challenging his credit they got him to admit something that would cause serious problems

remember the OJ glove? The whole reason that was so powerful is that defense did their Hardest to stop him from having to put it on?

or maybe they are just retarded idk it’s been a long week for Nelson

 

[Special Agent Punchy]

Obviously anything they did to him post mortem wouldn't affect the oxygen levels in his blood. He would have no circulation.

(speaking as a homosexual)

That Lucas machine was supposed to simulate heart pumping, so I assume his blood would circulate (plus O2 if they hooked him up), but I’m pulling that out of the same organ as you.

 

[TFT-A9]

or maybe they are just retarded idk it’s been a long week for Nelson

something I am constantly reminded of is that Hanlon's Razor is always in play and retardation is always an option

especially in fucking Minnesota

 

[mate]

That Lucas machine was supposed to simulate heart pumping, so I assume his blood would circulate (plus O2 if they hooked him up), but I’m pulling that out of the same organ as you.

Erm excuse me I said I was a homosexual so how dare you...

 

[murdered meat bag]

I feel like the judge got called on his own bluff. He said almost word for word and in the most stern voice I've heard him speak during the whole trial "if there is even a HINT of the test results I will declare a mistrial"

Prosecution decides to put the Irish guy on the stand again... who had trouble following the way court works the first time around. I don't even think the point of the CO was on the forefront of juror's minds. Irish guy almost immediately says "test results from X hospital"

Am I missing how this wouldn't be a mistrial?

Tbh I don't really want it to go down that way.. I'd like to see the jury come up with their verdict. I'm just curious

the one way out for pross is that the test being refered to isnt the one that was forbidden.

 

[Łimønča]

 

[Pizza Munch]

Trial recap for today for those who didn't watch

Chauvin Trial Day 14 Wrap-Up: Mistrial Narrowly Avoided, Closing Arguments Monday

Defense offered no practicable opportunity to contest Dr. Tobin’s rebuttal testimony

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