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Yup. Here is what would actually happen in Florida. All normal children will operate as...normal. The odd troon child will be known as such to everyone. If a boy gets his mom to check “female” on the application, the school or other organization will say, we require proof from your physician that you are a female by the standards of Florida law. He will not be able to obtain this because it would require the physician to lie.

So all that happens is the troon gets BTFO. And cleanly, impersonally, by regulation, as it should be. No local entity, school or nonprofit, has to make itself a special target, trying to protect girls. It’s kind of like those states where the state itself brings domestic violence charges, rather than the victim having to do it. In the latter scenario, the perp knows they can just pressure the victim, but the state taking it out of the victim’s hands is clean.

Troons want individuals to target. Preferably fairly powerless ones that they can demonize and sic the mobs on and display as an example of what happens to blasphemers. And when they target a larger entity, they like to target businesses. They can’t try to have the state of Florida fired, nor can they threaten to rape and murder Florida. They also can’t try to convince Florida they’re going to boycott them. They can TRY this “no major sporting events or anything else until you give troons whatever they want” nonsense but it won’t fly, because this isn’t Arkansas. This is one of the biggest event/convention states.
What’ll be interesting is when we get into regional, national and invitational meets where we have the pozzed and nonpozzed states sending their student athletes. Pozzed states might actually have some male champs competing with the nonpozzed states female ones. The stakes are going to be higher there because those are the kids vying for the top NCAA Div-I scholarships or even Olympics.
 
The same study did however find a very clear decline in hospitilization for suicide attempt

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Suicide mortality in the MtF group is going down with gender-affirming treatment.


"cmoser"? Any relation to Charles Moser?
Anyways, on the first point of declining suicide attempt rates, there are three key points to keep in mind: (1) Just for those didn't read the study closely enough, when the authors say "gender -affirming surgery" they mean literally any surgery not just SRS. In this study 46% were chest surgeries, in which complications are rare and where outcomes often match expectations AND which tend to be better motivated. (2) Suicide attempts are not necessarily an accurate proxy for actual suicides. Attempted suicides are on average less serious than completed suicides as lower degrees of intentionality and commitment manifests in lower success rate. People who really want to die tend to do a pretty good job of it.
(3) It's worth keeping in mind the possibility of regression to the mean type effects; this actually would provide a much better explanation for the pattern observed. Why does attempt rate decline monotonically over such a long time period? Recovery period for all surgeries is considerably less than a year. assuming the effect is real then what's causing the reduction from 2-3 to 4-5 years post-surgery? This is probably the bigger concern here.

It is generally expected that any "treatment" will result in an improvement in any transient outcome, since subjects tend to seek treatment when they are at or near their worst. Indeed, anecdotally it is extremely common to observe troons to develop an obsession with a particular anatomical feature prior to seeking surgery, which can in turn lead to poorer mental well-being in the lead up to surgeries. In this case the problem is actually even worse, because we don't have a pre-surgery baseline. This is highly relevant since when surgeries go wrong, often the distress is front loaded. It's not hard to find anecdotal cases of SRS patients wanting to commit suicide due to complications, only for things to get better after revisions or even just after a year or two.

Anyways, moving on. There is an additional critique of studies of "gender-affirming" surgeries, which is that they are inevitably observational. There's obviously nothing that researchers can really do about this, since it likely isn't feasible (and there may be IRB issues) to perform an RCT. This kind of issue is present in basically all troon treatment studies. It's why theoretical frameworks and ethnographic evidence are so central to navigating the subject.

The salient consideration here is why do people seek these surgeries? I said previously that fixations with a given perceived flaw is common, especially where the patient has poor mental health. Sometimes this fixation is 'reasonable' in that their ability to function is clearly being impaired by it, e.g. masculine facial features making it impossible for them to "pass." In this case it's reasonable to expect that surgery would result in some improvement in their standard of living.

But, more often it is an essentially pathological fixation, where it's not at all obvious how or why a surgery is supposed to improve their life. Generally, they won't be able to explain themselves either, only that they are 'dysphoric' and when pressed the typical reaction is frustration; the torment of knowing that you have no real point. This is a good example:
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This is an 18 year old girl who believes herself to be "a man," this belief she developed over a period of ~3 months late in the summer of 2020. She is quite feminine and likely heterosexually-inclined although she has significant difficulties in understanding feelings of sexual attraction, this is not surprising given her highly probable co-morbid autism. Note she doesn't actually have a reason that is explicable to her parents, or to anyone else really. She does not pass, indeed she (in another post) admits that she's "never really been gendered correctly." A mastectomy wouldn't do much to change this. Her attempted justification is a sort of "Alien limb" theory, needless to say, there is no evidence that such a thing could be anything other than psychosomatic; a consequence of her very fixation on her breasts. Again, it would be worth noting that her distress over her breasts has worsened over the past 9 months prior to that she had had long term general anxiety.

The question is thus: what is the course of such a case and how ought it be treated? It seems more than plausible that she wouldn't experience panic attacks over her breasts if she had them surgically removed. However, we might also ask whether her fixation might not be cured by time. This is why etiological considerations are important when considering these sorts of psychological problems. It is also why observational data is difficult to interpret. Etiological considerations also help us understand why some studies pull up curious trends, for example this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/. The choice quote is:
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But with the caveat:
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Which substantially devalues the entire study, but we could still take it as weak evidence for a "honey-moon" effect consistent with exactly the kind of pathological fixation that I've described. Returning to the 18 year old girl, wouldn't we expect something like that for her too? A short term high, that dissipates as in truth nothing much has really changed. Most likely, we'd expect that her deeper problems will continue to dance around and haunt her, to surface new obsessions, perhaps next year it will be her genitals, maybe then her figure. Maybe, she will realize that the year past was nothing, but hysteria -- a senseless groping for a solution to her woes.

That's the real specter haunting over all discussion over the therapeutic benefits of these surgeries, we do not know whether the ideologies and belief systems that propel so much of this; that make these desires feel important and real, will last. This particular moment rides on the crest of empty, indefensible nonsense beliefs that have come to be widely held, but it's the nature of truth that it is always true, and so will eventually emerge. Falsehoods by contrast are always dependent on the peculiarities of their reigning moments.
That's not to say that there have not always been people who can be described as "trans" nor that such persons won't exist in the future, but that the demographics from where they are drawn have and probably will change and that makes things difficult. It also means that at the non-individual level, the way we treat troonism and all its manifestation will itself alter these things.

No study said anything to the contrary regarding overall suicide mortality or regret rate (for all trans people).

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I think psychological considerations also complicate how we understand things like regret rates (ignoring the related problems of retention/participation/contact), as how someone interprets a bad outcome is going to be shaded by the narratives they are exposed to. I've seen numerous cases of terrible outcomes which resulted in lower quality of life for the patient, yet weren't regretted, because they believed it was necessary or because they believed that given available information that their decision was still right. Also as an aside, who the fuck asks for a cock uninversion? I'm amazed 2% of anyone ever even asked, but then again, troons aren't noted for their sanity. If there's anything worse than a neovagina, it's a corndog cock.
 
So a few weeks ago, I started messing around with AI photo manip/generation for trolling purposes and it really opened my eyes to a lot of troonery. Here I was thinking a remarkable amount of them were, if not passable, at least not horrifying, but now I can tell where the filters are hard at work. So many low res pics in this day and age of powerful phone cameras.
I LOVE troon filter spotting! It’s one of my special interests:

Is it worth a read?
never read it but she’s been angering trannies since 1979 so I probably should. Nice typography on the cover of the original release too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transsexual_Empire
I honestly wish BIID was as much of a social contagion as tranny-ism is just to see trannies perform mental gymnastics as to why they're nothing alike, especially if they pointed to trannies as to why society should let them mutilate themselves.
The BIID subreddits are absolutely FULL of troons. People with BIID and Troons seem to be an almost exact overlap in a Venn diagram. The transabled troons are hoping it will be included in DSM-6.
(whenever I read DSM-5 (as in Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, my brain wants to autocomplete it to BDSM-5. I blame troons for this)

many years into the future, trannies will still be seething about superstraight and keep writing articles about how horrible it was
I wrote it in the ‘sexual orientation‘ section of the recent U.K. census, so ‘super straight’ will become part of the official public record in 100 years time. i did it with the sole motivation of annoying future-troons.
The other claim they bring up is that “supers want so bad to feel oppressed” and lol again, revealing what they themselves want. They are there to try to control other people and because they enjoy feeling oppressed, so they can’t imagine any other motives.
Pure projection, innit? Tumblr identities are all about being speshul and oppressed for that speshulness (which is a natural response for a boring white kid growing up amongst IDPOL insanity, when you think about it)
The world doesn't suddenly view them as true and honest men/women, life goes on, it doesn't make them any more palatable as a mate to any gender either. Everything is exactly the same as before, except for the ones who're now stuck with a horrible wound stitched to their mons or dug into their taint
IIRC there was a study that 7 years post genital op was the tranny equivalent of Everest’s Death Zone. Can’t be arsed to look it up tho.
I noticed that--- they've forgotten about routine sports physicals.
My entire school had to cough while a doctor peered down our underpants. No idea why (part of a routine physical) but none of us experienced sexual trauma because of it. Just mild embarrassment giving way to amusing retro anecdote?
"Hagfish caught in a net" sort of vibes
I thought Blobfish, which is also a match for Kevin Gibes, so perhaps, ‘Kevin Gibes caught in a net’?
Regret rate and suicide mortality rate is going down for transgender people, both were significantly higher in the past.

The study also found that even though the number of people followed were increasing the number of suicide deaths stayed about the same.
Let’s imagine, for one moment, the cmoser is correct and troons aren’t actually suicidal - if troonery causes no more distress than depression, but depression is an illness and troonery is not then why do taxpayers/insurers need to pay for transition costs?
just relabel it extreme body modification and let people pay for it themselves. y’know, like plastic surgery addicts and people who make themselves look like shit lizards by tattooing themselves green and getting horn shaped implants under their scalps. No one wants to fuck those loons either.
Pozzed states might actually have some male champs competing with the nonpozzed states female ones.
MOTI time.
We don’t do uni costs via sports scholarship here, but fuck me, if you’d spent your entire childhood and teen years training and following a healthy diet and giving up social occasions for more training, and your parents had sacrificed their own time and money to ferry you around, only to lose your shot at a future for a troon, you’d probably have a case for justifiable homicide in the eyes of most jurors.

(perhaps wasting your adolescence day-drinking, playing pool and getting fingered is actually the better choice? If my parents were alive I‘d call them up and tell them how wrong they were!)
 
Let’s imagine, for one moment, the cmoser is correct and troons aren’t actually suicidal - if troonery causes no more distress than depression, but depression is an illness and troonery is not then why do taxpayers/insurers need to pay for transition costs?

The evidence in favor of medical transition is already better than most other mental health treatment paid for by insurance/government, at least in the case of male to female transition.


just relabel it extreme body modification and let people pay for it themselves. y’know, like plastic surgery addicts and people who make themselves look like shit lizards by tattooing themselves green and getting horn shaped implants under their scalps. No one wants to fuck those loons either.
Trans females as a group do just fine when it comes to dating.

As for the transition cost: estradiol injections are cheap, it's surgeries that are expensive but many people who transition do not need/benefit from that.
 

The evidence in favor of medical transition is already better than most other mental health treatment paid for by insurance/government, at least in the case of male to female transition.

Trans females as a group do just fine when it comes to dating.

As for the transition cost: estradiol injections are cheap, it's surgeries that are expensive but many people who transition do not need/benefit from that.
Look, I just wanna laugh at people slightly more loony than myself and you're really gumming this thread up with horseshit.
 
As for the transition cost: estradiol injections are cheap, it's surgeries that are expensive but many people who transition do not need/benefit from that.
As much as I make fun of retards who cut their junk off, what's the point of being a tranny if you're not going to do that? I thought they want to be the opposite gender?
If they don't "need" it then it just proves it really is nothing more than playing dress up.
 
A movement that fights against any research or accurate reporting on any issues concerning troonery will continue to not be listened to when it feebly attempts to put forth tidbits of “research,” because it cannot be trusted.

It hides the numbers of troons in prison with women and it hides the violence they inflict on those women, it hides troon sex crimes by listing them as female crimes, it hides child molesters within its ranks as well as other rapists, it refuses to address why trans women commit violent sex crimes at twice the rate of other men, it demands no one notice the 3000% increase in tweenage girls trooning out, it violates ALL protocol advised by professionals wrt discussing suicide to the point that kids trooning out receive a SCRIPT from adult troons telling them they’re supposed to feel suicidal if they don’t get their way and that they should tell their parents that they‘ll kill themselves, it threatens lesbians and gays with expulsion and destruction if they refuse to have sex with troons, it defends threats of sexual violence and cannibalism as a natural response to a troon being turned down for sex, it ignores and punishes whistleblowers at its own clinics, it tries to destroy anyone who desists or detransitions, it demonizes even the mildest gentlest suggestions that perhaps ANY of this might be good to discuss, it attempts to *eradicate* ANY researcher or academic with ANY interest in interrogating any of its unfounded and insane claims, and it suppresses *via threats of violence and deprivation of livelihood* ANYONE who even breathes a thought about crossing it. And it wants us to PAY FOR IT.

And then what does it do? Denies it did any of that. Gaslights, threatens. Evil fucks.

No one trusts it. No one can. It has made the decision to be the enemy of reason, science, and civility. I will never believe a single claim or hilarious bit of research any troon or troon apologist puts forth because *I know they operate from a position of lies, threats, intimidation, emotional blackmail, and gaslighting at all times* for the benefit of the *absolute worst male humans on the planet*,

Trust no troon, trust no troon apologist. It is a bad community dedicated to bad faith and bad projects. At this point it simply needs containment while the rest of society decides what to do about them - without their input, which is neither necessary nor useful.
 
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"cmoser"? Any relation to Charles Moser?
I do not have any personal relationship with Charles Moser.
Anyways, on the first point of declining suicide attempt rates, there are three key points to keep in mind: (1) Just for those didn't read the study closely enough, when the authors say "gender -affirming surgery" they mean literally any surgery not just SRS. In this study 46% were chest surgeries, in which complications are rare and where outcomes often match expectations AND which tend to be better motivated. (2) Suicide attempts are not necessarily an accurate proxy for actual suicides. Attempted suicides are on average less serious than completed suicides as lower degrees of intentionality and commitment manifests in lower success rate. People who really want to die tend to do a pretty good job of it.
(3) It's worth keeping in mind the possibility of regression to the mean type effects; this actually would provide a much better explanation for the pattern observed. Why does attempt rate decline monotonically over such a long time period? Recovery period for all surgeries is considerably less than a year. assuming the effect is real then what's causing the reduction from 2-3 to 4-5 years post-surgery? This is probably the bigger concern here.

It is generally expected that any "treatment" will result in an improvement in any transient outcome, since subjects tend to seek treatment when they are at or near their worst. Indeed, anecdotally it is extremely common to observe troons to develop an obsession with a particular anatomical feature prior to seeking surgery, which can in turn lead to poorer mental well-being in the lead up to surgeries. In this case the problem is actually even worse, because we don't have a pre-surgery baseline. This is highly relevant since when surgeries go wrong, often the distress is front loaded. It's not hard to find anecdotal cases of SRS patients wanting to commit suicide due to complications, only for things to get better after revisions or even just after a year or two.

Anyways, moving on. There is an additional critique of studies of "gender-affirming" surgeries, which is that they are inevitably observational. There's obviously nothing that researchers can really do about this, since it likely isn't feasible (and there may be IRB issues) to perform an RCT. This kind of issue is present in basically all troon treatment studies. It's why theoretical frameworks and ethnographic evidence are so central to navigating the subject.

The salient consideration here is why do people seek these surgeries? I said previously that fixations with a given perceived flaw is common, especially where the patient has poor mental health. Sometimes this fixation is 'reasonable' in that their ability to function is clearly being impaired by it, e.g. masculine facial features making it impossible for them to "pass." In this case it's reasonable to expect that surgery would result in some improvement in their standard of living.

But, more often it is an essentially pathological fixation, where it's not at all obvious how or why a surgery is supposed to improve their life. Generally, they won't be able to explain themselves either, only that they are 'dysphoric' and when pressed the typical reaction is frustration; the torment of knowing that you have no real point. This is a good example:
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This is an 18 year old girl who believes herself to be "a man," this belief she developed over a period of ~3 months late in the summer of 2020. She is quite feminine and likely heterosexually-inclined although she has significant difficulties in understanding feelings of sexual attraction, this is not surprising given her highly probable co-morbid autism. Note she doesn't actually have a reason that is explicable to her parents, or to anyone else really. She does not pass, indeed she (in another post) admits that she's "never really been gendered correctly." A mastectomy wouldn't do much to change this. Her attempted justification is a sort of "Alien limb" theory, needless to say, there is no evidence that such a thing could be anything other than psychosomatic; a consequence of her very fixation on her breasts. Again, it would be worth noting that her distress over her breasts has worsened over the past 9 months prior to that she had had long term general anxiety.

The question is thus: what is the course of such a case and how ought it be treated? It seems more than plausible that she wouldn't experience panic attacks over her breasts if she had them surgically removed. However, we might also ask whether her fixation might not be cured by time. This is why etiological considerations are important when considering these sorts of psychological problems. It is also why observational data is difficult to interpret. Etiological considerations also help us understand why some studies pull up curious trends, for example this study https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5440516/. The choice quote is:
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But with the caveat:
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Which substantially devalues the entire study, but we could still take it as weak evidence for a "honey-moon" effect consistent with exactly the kind of pathological fixation that I've described. Returning to the 18 year old girl, wouldn't we expect something like that for her too? A short term high, that dissipates as in truth nothing much has really changed. Most likely, we'd expect that her deeper problems will continue to dance around and haunt her, to surface new obsessions, perhaps next year it will be her genitals, maybe then her figure. Maybe, she will realize that the year past was nothing, but hysteria -- a senseless groping for a solution to her woes.

That's the real specter haunting over all discussion over the therapeutic benefits of these surgeries, we do not know whether the ideologies and belief systems that propel so much of this; that make these desires feel important and real, will last. This particular moment rides on the crest of empty, indefensible nonsense beliefs that have come to be widely held, but it's the nature of truth that it is always true, and so will eventually emerge. Falsehoods by contrast are always dependent on the peculiarities of their reigning moments.
That's not to say that there have not always been people who can be described as "trans" nor that such persons won't exist in the future, but that the demographics from where they are drawn have and probably will change and that makes things difficult. It also means that at the non-individual level, the way we treat troonism and all its manifestation will itself alter these things.
The observed decline in mental health was not statistically significant.

The reason for a declining trend in general quality of life after an initial improvement after surgery could also perhaps be explained by the fact that the quality of life in the general population also shows a declining trend with time.
I think psychological considerations also complicate how we understand things like regret rates (ignoring the related problems of retention/participation/contact), as how someone interprets a bad outcome is going to be shaded by the narratives they are exposed to. I've seen numerous cases of terrible outcomes which resulted in lower quality of life for the patient, yet weren't regretted, because they believed it was necessary or because they believed that given available information that their decision was still right. Also as an aside, who the fuck asks for a cock uninversion? I'm amazed 2% of anyone ever even asked, but then again, troons aren't noted for their sanity. If there's anything worse than a neovagina, it's a corndog cock.
Is it they themselves who report lower quality of life or just you who view their quality of life as lower?
 
As much as I make fun of retards who cut their junk off, what's the point of being a tranny if you're not going to do that?
HRT alone changes your secondary sex-characteristics.
I thought they want to be the opposite gender?
If they don't "need" it then it just proves it really is nothing more than playing dress up.
SRS is vaginoplasty, it's not really sex-change since the neuvagina isn't capable of child-birth and it¨s not enough for impregnation.
 
HRT alone changes your secondary sex-characteristics.
sure, dude.

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The evidence in favor of medical transition is already better than most other mental health treatment paid for by insurance/government, at least in the case of male to female transition.
But Troon activists say it isn’t mental health treatment, so your comparison is meaningless.

Trans females as a group do just fine when it comes to dating.

Only if they are willing to date chasers/GAMPs (aka AGP troons-in-waiting)
www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating/

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I was in two minds about whether to post this fella in here or on the Gender Quack/Trans Surgery Gore thread, because it’s a lovely little illustration as to just how little satisfaction MtF troons get from currently available treatments.

This mad lad wants to be surgically shrunk

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Wanting skull reducing surgery (so that lady hats fit?) is, well...
...not exactly a signifier of a life well-lived, is it?
 
Trans females as a group do just fine when it comes to dating.
I don’t have time to copy/paste my entire post history on this thread but lol no

the transbians who have forced their way into lesbian apps are constantly whining about being blocked/reported/insulted/ghosted or just politely informed that the other user isn’t there for penis. Cope, seethe, dilate.
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Remember to be nice and ignore your own sexuality for the comfort of deranged troons!!
 
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