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PeteyCoffee said:
They are willing to deliberately sabotage the business and its profitability in order to satisfy their egos.
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What egos? I seriously doubt they say well, hmm, we could make millions of dollars, but I'd rather just stroke my ego.

Ego would imply they give a shit about reddit or social media in general. They don't really care about the users. They view the users as a commodity. The users aren't directly paying them anything after all. Their source of income, to the extent it exists, is basically selling the users to advertisers.

Things like this are notoriously difficult to monetize successfully. 4chan famously limped along for years barely able to keep the servers running, despite being hugely popular. Similarly, digg was hugely popular until attempts to monetize it instead basically destroyed the site. Reddit is now in a similar situation.

Part of it is the users themselves. 4chan was hugely popular but had a reputation as basically the asshole of the Internet and nobody respectable wanted to be associated with it in any way. Oh, sure, they'd steal content from it, but advertise on it? Even admit to knowing what it was? 4chan basically just (until GG) decided to say fuck it, go for free speech, set up containment boards for the vilest stuff, and let things go on. Good, but you aren't going to make tons of money doing it.

Digg tried it a little differently, and look how it worked. And now you have reddit. They similarly have a problem in that they're a hugely popular message board with a lot of heinous content no advertisers want to associate with, but reddit doesn't really have the problem of being notoriously awful (despite being no "better" than 4chan ever was), because unlike 4chan, it doesn't really revel in its horribleness. But even after nuking a few forums considered particularly obnoxious, you still have your gore forums and JB shit and other crap that makes it not "family friendly."

The idea of shit like video AMAs indicates they're trying to take it in a direction to being more like conventional media online that makes money. Sort of like with digg, though, it's in a way that basically wrecks it.

I don't think they're trying to do anything but make money. They just don't really know what to do. They can't make it "family friendly" without destroying it, but they also can't go "big" without having more control over the content. Maybe they'll seem to be pushing a political agenda with what speech they try to censor, but the purpose of it is to try to squeeze money out of this thing. They don't care about anything else, that I've seen.

It could just be that things like this aren't going to make much money.
 
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AnOminous said:
What egos? I seriously doubt they say well, hmm, we could make millions of dollars, but I'd rather just stroke my ego.

Ego would imply they give a shit about reddit or social media in general. They don't really care about the users. They view the users as a commodity. The users aren't directly paying them anything after all. Their source of income, to the extent it exists, is basically selling the users to advertisers.

Things like this are notoriously difficult to monetize successfully. 4chan famously limped along for years barely able to keep the servers running, despite being hugely popular. Similarly, digg was hugely popular until attempts to monetize it instead basically destroyed the site. Reddit is now in a similar situation.

Part of it is the users themselves. 4chan was hugely popular but had a reputation as basically the asshole of the Internet and nobody respectable wanted to be associated with it in any way. Oh, sure, they'd steal content from it, but advertise on it? Even admit to knowing what it was? 4chan basically just (until GG) decided to say fuck it, go for free speech, set up containment boards for the vilest stuff, and let things go on. Good, but you aren't going to make tons of money doing it.

Digg tried it a little differently, and look how it worked. And now you have reddit. They similarly have a problem in that they're a hugely popular message board with a lot of heinous content no advertisers want to associate with, but reddit doesn't really have the problem of being notoriously awful (despite being no "better" than 4chan ever was), because unlike 4chan, it doesn't really revel in its horribleness. But even after nuking a few forums considered particularly obnoxious, you still have your gore forums and JB shit and other crap that makes it not "family friendly."

The idea of shit like video AMAs indicates they're trying to take it in a direction to being more like conventional media online that makes money. Sort of like with digg, though, it's in a way that basically wrecks it.

I don't think they're trying to do anything but make money. They just don't really know what to do. They can't make it "family friendly" without destroying it, but they also can't go "big" without having more control over the content. Maybe they'll seem to be pushing a political agenda with what speech they try to censor, but the purpose of it is to try to squeeze money out of this thing. They don't care about anything else, that I've seen.

It could just be that things like this aren't going to make much money.
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If reddit is having problems with selling advertisements, it is entirely their fault. Reddit has potential to offer the best targeted advertising on the Internet.

In the past six months, I think I clicked more on reddit ads than all other websites combined. It's because I go to reddit to be informed. Since most ads are informative, I am abnormally receptive using reddit. Especially when the ad is relevant to the topic at hand. When I use facebook, I want to be social, so I ignore the ads. Same when I watch television, because then I want to relax.

Trying to consolidate the user base and appeal more to the establishment is about the worst thing reddit could possibly do, especially if they're ever going to embrace targeted ads. Television is on the down swing, guys. Even if you have no vision, you shouldn't imitate those who are out of touch and declining. Imitate the up and coming. (Google.)
 
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Saw this on slashdot. Ellen Pao, tearing down stereotypes.

Slashdot User Says said:
Thanks to Ellen Pao, Asian-Americans will no longer be saddled with the insidious stereotype of being bright, hardworking and competent.

Anybody know of $500k+ tech industry job openings for a lawsuit-happy SJW with no technical experience? Asking for a friend.
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People need to realize that these message-board type sites are not going to be big cash cows. Sure, reddit isn't as notorious as 4chan but the site users aren't really the type to go for internet advertising. Too much advertising and people will leave the site and go somewhere else. Besides, a very high percentage of redditors run AdBlock.

I love how everyone thinks that the departure of Pao means everything is going back to normal. It won't.
 
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That Guy said:
People need to realize that these message-board type sites are not going to be big cash cows. Sure, reddit isn't as notorious as 4chan but the site users aren't really the type to go for internet advertising.
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Actually they are but it has to be soft pedaled and they have to deal with the fact people will block it. But even 4chan would always have its stable of advertisers. They'd just be things like dragon dildos, weebshit, and niche items, often self-served specifically to relevant boards. This is the kind of thing that like you point out, isn't going to be a big cash cow, but there will always be enough to keep the servers running.

What it won't support is some elite class of CEO fat fucks who sit around and do nothing useful while collecting a huge paycheck. It will not make VCs rich.

The sooner these fucks get the memo that this isn't going to be a gold rush and message boards can settle back down to being message boards, the better.
 
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AnOminous said:
The sooner these fucks get the memo that this isn't going to be a gold rush and message boards can settle back down to being message boards, the better.
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Now now now that's silly if it's like one of the most popular sites on the internet we just need someone with the right stuff to monetize it. Surely we'll all get r̶i̶c̶h̶ richer in no time.
 
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That Guy said:
People need to realize that these message-board type sites are not going to be big cash cows. Sure, reddit isn't as notorious as 4chan but the site users aren't really the type to go for internet advertising. Too much advertising and people will leave the site and go somewhere else. Besides, a very high percentage of redditors run AdBlock.

I love how everyone thinks that the departure of Pao means everything is going back to normal. It won't.
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I think one relevant ad is more effective than a page full of random bullshit. Reddit could demonstrate that. And then they would make more selling 1 ad than most websites do selling 10. (Also without alienating users or driving adblock.)

Of course, it's less immediate cash than scamming advertisers with a bunch of near worthless spam ads right now. If reddit is trying to sell, immediate cash may be more important than future prospects.
 
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On top of that, a (second? third?) shitstorm seems to be brewing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/announceme...ent_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/

The most important thing about that announcement:

The overwhelming majority of content on reddit comes from wonderful, creative, funny, smart, and silly communities. That is what makes reddit great. There is also a dark side, communities whose purpose is reprehensible, and we don’t have any obligation to support them. And we also believe that some communities currently on the platform should not be here at all.
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https://archive.is/t6YSF

Watch as a mod tard rages in ALL CAPS and ALL BOLD and whines about how the evil GoobyGoobers ruined Reddit.

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sugoi-chan said:
One of Reddit execs reveals that Ellen Pao was the hero that Reddit needed all along.

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I'm a bit confused, perhaps you can clarify what you mean:
  1. Reddit caused Ellen's departure (you did it reddit!) but Ellen says it didn't and the board confirms.
  2. Ellen was all about free speech and fatpeoplehate was only banned for inciting off-site but dozens of parody subreddits were banned after that did nothing off-site and hundreds of people were shadowbanned for criticizing her? Did she know this was happening?
  3. With Ellen at the helm, Reddit was immune to being criticized for intentionally creating a racist / sexist environment but Reddit is the users, not the corporate structure. How could Reddit, Inc. be criticized for promoting free speech?
  4. This entire time you had vital information that could have saved your friend embarrassment and mental anguish but you didn't say anything because of "Executive Privilege?"
I dunno man, this doesn't make sense to me.
The only way this all works in my head is if Ellen was a figurehead with no actual power, had nothing to do with the contradictory decisions made, and you were under some sort of gag-order.
Maybe this was all a giant cluster-fuck of epic proportions and the lack of communication was the result of internal squabbling, but honestly, I love Reddit and I expect better.
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https://archive.is/FeCfQ

If yishan and kn0thing are to be believed, and Ellen Pao sat helplessly in a corner whimpering, "Leave coontown alone!" while the admins used her simultaneously as a shield from and a lightning rod for criticism, then the two of them come out of this looking like turds who let Pao take the brunt of this when they could have stopped it at any time.
 
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sugoi-chan said:
One of Reddit execs reveals that Ellen Pao was the hero that Reddit needed all along.
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So basically, to take that down to the end, you should be happy to have an SJW GuvKing because then SJWs won't attack the site. Sounds like the reasoning behind Vichy France. Whoops, there goes Godwin again.
 
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Valiant said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/coontown/ has been banned, this is possibly the first I've seen a banned community.

Reddit now quarantines communities as well, which disallows them to get ad revenue and other perks associated with other larger subreddits.
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Guys, the Coontown people don't have a place to stay! Let's invite them to spend some time on the farm!
 
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