i also love the stupid implication that young women in particular can't understand sadistic homoeroticism.
loner teen girls absolutely love the macabre, and like the idea of taboo relationships with edgy men in them.
it's like he doesn't even remember that hannibal happened. saying it's "bad" is noise. just pissing in the wind.
torture porn and people who like torture porn are going to happen anyway. you cannot control everyone.
edit: it all comes down to this. if you think it's untenable for ANYONE to do something, then the next logical step is a ban.
short of that, realizing that's draconian, deal with it. especially if it's an issue of freedom of speech or expression, like this is.
Agree. These kinds of people like to say that ‘our society hates teenage girls’, but if it does, they are contributing to that by infantilising these same teenage girls. Sixteen-year-old Joanne did not write that two-hundred-thousand-word-long fanfic full of sexual, physical, and emotional abuse without understanding that it describes an unhealthy relationship — she did so
because the relationship described is unhealthy.
Also rape is one of the most common sexual fantasies among women and has been for pretty much as long as we've surveyed this (cite:
one,
two).
I find these kinds of studies exceedingly useless: they do not tell me how common rape fantasies in women are in comparison to other fantasies and in comparison to the same fantasies in men. I would like to have these kinds of information to draw conclusions about how widespread or remarkable something is.
I like a paper called ‘What exactly is an unusual sexual fantasy?’ It asked 1516 Quebecois to fill out a 55-question questionnaire. The method by which they obtained the numbers was more convoluted than yes/no questions: they used a scale to measure the intensity of each fantasy and a cut-off point to deem a fantasy as endorsed. I attached the paper for those who would like to read about the method they used.
The numbers they extracted for ‘rapey’ fantasies are such:
I have fantasized about being forced to have sex. Women: 28.9%. Men: 30.7%.
I have fantasized about forcing someone to have sex. Women: 10.8%. Men: 22.0%.
I have fantasized about being dominated sexually. Women: 64.6%. Men: 53.3%.
I have fantasized about dominating someone sexually. Women: 46.7%. Men: 59.6%.
I have fantasized about being tied up by someone in order to obtain sexual pleasure. Women: 52.1%. Men: 46.2%.
I have fantasized about tying someone up in order to obtain sexual pleasure. Women: 41.7%. Men: 48.4%.
I find this quite interesting: while there is a disparity between men and women when it comes to submissive and dominant fantasies, this disparity is not great. I would like to see general studies like these be done more often. Unfortunately, they are more cumbersome than surveying undergrads.
On another note. When it comes to the erotica in question, I think young women oftentimes read homoerotica like Killing Stalking in part because violence there is non-gendered: men abusing men, not men abusing women. This way they do not feel compelled to sympathise or identify with the abused woman but can revel in the pain inflicted on the abused man. So, they read it precisely out of their sadistic, not masochistic, impulse. I speculate based on my experiences and interactions.