The Tomboy Question(s)

[Sarcastic sockpuppet]

Very few people lay down multigenerational roots and stay in the same place with the same people their whole lives anymore. From prehistory to the late modern period a person was unlikely to move more than 100 miles from where they were born.

People were also a lot more likely to be inbred due to the small pool of romantic options.
Stop romanticizing consanguinity just to own the libs.
If you want to pork your playground buddy you can look her up on facebook.

 

[L50LasPak]

If anything this thread proves there's been some kind of shift in the attitude towards tomboys recently. For most of my life I've known it to just be a character trait or quality, not a subculture. This fetish stuff is very recent. I've known plenty of men to have a preference for tomboys, but a prefence is considerably different than and outright fetish which I have straight up never seen up until recently.

I almost wonder if the recent forced interest in the topic is some kind of gay op to get tomboys permanently marginalized as just another fetish.

Tom boys are exclusively children and people who appreciate them are exclusively pedophiles.

I have no idea where the hell this even comes from.

Absent coercion, there's always going to be male and female-dominated fields, because men and women are more inclined to different things.

This is sort of unrelated to the topic at hand but while I agree I wanted to mention that I think things becoming pigeon-holed into stereotypically male or female can wrap around to being a kind of coercion in itself. That paradigm and people's initially good-intentioned attempts to dismantle it ultimately got us into this fucked up gender situation in the first place.

I think anyone who fancies themself a tomboy appreciator needs to ask themself the question of whether they still appreciate tomboys who have no interest in them or who continue to be masculine into adulthood.

I suspect these people don't actually exist. One constant in the human race is that most people never think about anything a great deal, so its always suspicous when an article appears claiming that there's a subset of people (especially men) who have some complicated attachment to some mundane thing. Sure, I bet you can find a handful for a news interview, but I doubt their overall numbers are significant.

The reason it matters is why even have a discussion in the first place? If 2 people are arguing about "one" thing but have different definitions of that one thing. Then the waters get muddied and the argument will never end. Because they can't come to an agreement of what they are even arguing about in the first place.

This arguement literally applies to every single topic ever discussed by two or more people. I have some really bad news for you if this causes you discomfort.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Except those girls next door are people who likely will never be interested in a romantic relationship with you.

Hey, he's probably (possibly (maybe)) a Chad with a heart of gold that all the hunnies are sticking to-- don't diss him like that.

 

[Android raptor]

Hey, he's probably (possibly (maybe)) a Chad with a heart of gold that all the hunnies are sticking to-- don't diss him like that.

Doubt it, girls generally like sticking to people who agree with them having basic human rights. I've seen his posts in abortion sperging.

That's another thing, you really don't respect tomboys if you ultimately just see them as something you want to stick your dick in and pop out babies for you. Sure some women, even masculine women, do want to have kids, but lots of us don't. Lots of us also aren't attracted to men. Do you still respect those tomboys? Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

 

[Stab You in the Back]

As a Tomboy Respecter, I am distressed over the idea that anyone would be so depraved as to fetishize these wonderful specimens of the female race.

Doubt it, girls generally like sticking to people who agree with them having basic human rights. I've seen his posts in abortion sperging.

That's another thing, you really don't respect tomboys if you ultimately just see them as something you want to stick your dick in and pop out babies for you. Sure some women, even masculine women, do want to have kids, but lots of us don't. Lots of us also aren't attracted to men. Do you still respect those tomboys? Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

You're not a tomboy, you're a dyke. And there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Please get help.

 

[Schway]

Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

Humanity should never have to suffer having this sentence uttered again

 

[John Furrman]

I have no idea where the hell this even comes from.

The Oxford definition of a tomboy exclusively says girls who do things that boys do, not women acting like men. What the people who fetishize tomboys are fetishizing is likely that youthful aspect. Perhaps they remind them of a girl they went to school with they had a crush on. Either way, it's weird and I don't like it.

However, I'll concede that it's a thing for girls past puberty on @Android raptor's word.

 

[byuu]

Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

Then you're not a tomboy - just a dyke.

 

[Shiversblood]

Doubt it, girls generally like sticking to people who agree with them having basic human rights. I've seen his posts in abortion sperging.

That's another thing, you really don't respect tomboys if you ultimately just see them as something you want to stick your dick in and pop out babies for you. Sure some women, even masculine women, do want to have kids, but lots of us don't. Lots of us also aren't attracted to men. Do you still respect those tomboys? Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

You trying to say that all Tom boys are actually all bull dyke lesbians is one of the reasons why they are trying to make regular heterosexual Tom boys into transgenders! You are a part of the problem.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

I think anyone who fancies themself a tomboy appreciator needs to ask themself the question of whether they still appreciate tomboys who have no interest in them or who continue to be masculine into adulthood. Or nerdier tomboys that aren't into sports but are more interested in anime or outdoorsy shit. Tomboys that aren't a fantasy ideal.

Why would you want guys to have an interest in women with no interest in them? That's awkward at best and as for the latter, yeah I like talking to them too. They fit my vibe and like it when you introduce them to things. It's like teasing a cat.
Edit: Also, why do you have such a weird issue with an alternate beauty idea coming about in this day and age? Different "types" have always existed and come in and out of prominence. Are you just afraid that the whole butch do over might get you hit on instead of being dude repellent?

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

I married a tomboy.
Did I buy myself a lifelong bus pass ticket to fagtown
Much confused here ..

 

[Lemmingwise]

As a tomboy I kinda wonder what the fetishists would think of an actual tomboy like me, who has no desire to fuck some random dude from the chans or pop out babies ever.

You're not a tomboy, you're a lesbian. Not the same thing.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Where did this come from, if it's indeed a burgeoning interest?

Nah, even Japaneses had the same taste. They even created archetypes and putted in many 3d hentai games. Don't ask me why i know thought.

What are some of the rationales you have or have heard in justification of individual interest in women of this subculture?

Well, i don't care about the shape or a personality in a woman in general, but i always got a weak spot in many "strong, dull" personalities but still woman in heart. Hard Sports are a real rare interest in "normies" ones too.

Are there any recurring psychologies within the subculture more complex than "I gravitate towards boyish things" (e.g. "I wish I was born a boy")?

Only the pre-FtM ones. I've met women who fit in the tomboy subculture very clearly but they got more a aggresive tone in general with more hobbies related to men rather than theirs. But you know, at least in USA there's a pushing agenda and probably even my personality is in danger to those fuckers.

How much of this would you imagine is "respecters" more likely merely having a short hair fetish and/or being primed to respond to girls in snapbacks with sexual arousal?

Those are in the same spectre as the "goth thicc gf" meme. I'm sure there's a large group of real respecters and those accepted those hard, dull personalities at the start.

How much "fault" would you attribute to anime comics, video games, and animation?

100%, no doubt.

As a tomboy I kinda wonder what the fetishists would think of an actual tomboy like me, who has no desire to fuck some random dude from the chans or pop out babies ever.

But yeah being a tomboy, especially after puberty can be a lot more difficult than people realize even before the troon craze. Unless you've personally experienced it I don't think people realize just how much pressure masculine girls and women are under to conform to gender stereotypes. Especially autistic ones.

Except those girls next door are people who likely will never be interested in a romantic relationship with you. Is it really tomboys you like, or your fantasy ideal of them?

I think anyone who fancies themself a tomboy appreciator needs to ask themself the question of whether they still appreciate tomboys who have no interest in them or who continue to be masculine into adulthood. Or nerdier tomboys that aren't into sports but are more interested in anime or outdoorsy shit. Tomboys that aren't a fantasy ideal.

Nah, you're actually making excuses. Probably i'm not the one to talking about but you're not a real tomboy; just had a phase in your teenage years, like everybody else... but not me.

 

[L50LasPak]

The Oxford definition of a tomboy exclusively says girls who do things that boys do, not women acting like men. What the people who fetishize tomboys are fetishizing is likely that youthful aspect. Perhaps they remind them of a girl they went to school with they had a crush on. Either way, it's weird and I don't like it.

Maybe its a regional thing, but I think that's archaic at the very least. I've heard it used to refer to women in general as a shorthand. I don't think that's been the common understanding of it for like 30 years.

 

[Android raptor]

You're not a tomboy, you're a dyke. And there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Please get help.

Tomboys are masculine girls and women. Dykes are masculine gay women. Dykes are a form of tomboy, dude.

I have gotten help btw, thanks for asking

You trying to say that all Tom boys are actually all bull dyke lesbians is one of the reasons why they are trying to make regular heterosexual Tom boys into transgenders! You are a part of the problem.

Never said straight tomboys didnt exist, just that lots of tomboys are gay. In fact most cases of gender dysphoria in kids end with the kid just growing up to be a masculine gay woman or feminine gay man.

You're not a tomboy, you're a lesbian. Not the same thing.

I'm a lesbian tomboy. They aren't mutually exclusive.

Nah, you're actually making excuses. Probably i'm not the one to talking about but you're not a real tomboy; just had a phase in your teenage years, like everybody else... but not me.

I'm in my 30s and my apartment is filled with toy dinosaurs, bugs, and spiders. I rarely wear makeup and cut my own hair in front of mirror. At least half the shit I wear to this day was bought in the mens department. Much to my mom and teachers disappointment, it was not a phase.

Damn dudes kinda proving my point

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

I'm in my 30s and my apartment is filled with toy dinosaurs, bugs, and spiders. I rarely wear makeup and cut my own hair in front of mirror. At least half the shit I wear to this day was bought in the mens department. Much to my mom and teachers disappointment, it was not a phase.

Finally, you can explain that before and not now only to prevail your point? If you have any actually

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I'm surprised by how hard all of you successively ran @Android raptor's wallet. That said, I always figured it a given that there's some overlap between being a dyke and being a tomboy... but now that I think about it, I wouldn't actually call a dyke a tomboy-- I'd call them a dyke because they're a dyke. My impression of tomboys is that there's a distinct boyishness that nonetheless doesn't even mostly obscure their femininity, in contrast to dykes who are actively trying to snuff out said femininity as some means of compensation-- the only place they fail is in their still having their female machinery.

Doubt it, girls generally like sticking to people who agree with them having basic human rights.

I'm not going to participate in bringing that maelstrom over into this thread, but suffice it to say there are plenty of women who would at least mostly agree with him, especially in a society where abortion support is 60/40 and it's still common for people to want some kind of restriction on it.

That's another thing, you really don't respect tomboys if you ultimately just see them as something you want to stick your dick in and pop out babies for you.

Most people don't see women as that. It's kind of hard to, in the first place, unless they let you do so.

Sure some women, even masculine women, do want to have kids, but lots of us don't. Lots of us also aren't attracted to men. Do you still respect those tomboys? Us lesbian, childfree tomboys that will never see you as anything more than a friend if you're a dude?

I respect the fact that you altogether show that you can have sex-deviant interests without it meaning that you must really be a guy "on the inside" and are therefore in "need" of body mutilation and drugs that increase the risk of cancer and osteoporosis.

...I dunno, I never really got the term "tomboy respecter" and I'm pretty sure that that, more than the increasing presence of the predilection, is a rather strange meme (along with "tomboy appreciator", to be frank). Generally, we afford some basic respect to other people barring them demonstrating unworthiness of even that, so this is a weird question to ask without an underlying assumption that the respect of tomboys discussed here is contextualized by a kind of reduction into an example of an archetype (i.e. they're stripped of individuality and thereafter evaluated and conditionally respected according to how conformant they are with said archetype).

But I don't think you're suggesting that, and I have yet to get that from the people here. Even @FEETLOAF describes the allure as part of a general yearning for what amounts to simpler times in a rather expository way. also i'm not very bothered by women identifying as lesbians if they're nonetheless willing to hop on deez nuts *ahem* More seriously though, I'm far less concerned with what people say their orientation is and more concerned with what (who) they do.

 

[CheezzyMach]

Tomboys are masculine girls and women. Dykes are masculine gay women. Dykes are a form of tomboy, dude.

I have gotten help btw, thanks for asking

Never said straight tomboys didnt exist, just that lots of tomboys are gay. In fact most cases of gender dysphoria in kids end with the kid just growing up to be a masculine gay woman or feminine gay man.

I'm a lesbian tomboy. They aren't mutually exclusive.

I'm in my 30s and my apartment is filled with toy dinosaurs, bugs, and spiders. I rarely wear makeup and cut my own hair in front of mirror. At least half the shit I wear to this day was bought in the mens department. Much to my mom and teachers disappointment, it was not a phase.

Damn dudes kinda proving my point

Got to ask but are tomboys actually a thing?

Because I've seen a lot of girls who are into shit like Star Wars,sports,video games,anime and bugs while also being interested in typical girl shit like jewelry and makeup.

Might just be a personal thing but from what I've observed simply liking guy things doesn't make one a tomboy

 

[Fek]

Tomboy shit seems fine, and maybe it actually works out long term for some guys out there to date 'em. Just..man, I'd highly advise against dating one that shares your favorite male-centric interests with you. You'll think it's cool at first until reality sets in. You're still dealing with a woman, tomboy or not, and she's gonna insist on invading what was once your happy place (regardless of doing it alone or with the guys). To her, sharing that interest means she's going to see any time spent on it as "together time" now. Congrats, you've lost your "you time" and now get to spend it with someone who will insist they can keep up with you (possibly even believing it) while almost certainly never being able to do so (ugly truth of life, ladies). It will ruin the relationship in a hurry or make you miserable for life.

I guess a greater lesson in general here is be fucking careful what interests you share with your significant other. You do not want to end up doing literally everything together.

 

[Shiversblood]

In fact most cases of gender dysphoria in kids end with the kid just growing up to be a masculine gay woman or feminine gay man.

I absolutely disagree. Sometimes they were just confused and end up straight. Stop demanding that people become homosexual.