How Do We Revive Conservativism?

[Lemmingwise]

"Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times." - G. Michael Hopf

(it would be nice if the cycle could be broken with good times not creating weak men)

He may have written that succint version of the quote, but the idea comes from 14th century philosopher ibn khaldun and his Cyclical Theory on the Rise and Fall of Sovereign Powers.

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. I want to see trannies, marxists, and their teachers kicked out of schools.

Stop talking about it with your internet friends and do it.

You are the lynchpin in a democracy

I am neither a lobbyist, politician, media magnate or banker so no I'm not.

 

[Red Hood]

This is gonna sound crazy.

But let's put the spirit of John Wayne into a giant mecha, which will wear a cowboy hat.

 

[Haim Arlosoroff]

He may have written that succint version of the quote, but the idea comes from 14th century philosopher ibn khaldun and his Cyclical Theory on the Rise and Fall of Sovereign Powers.

Thank you, as a great admirer of Cyclical Theorists such as Spengler or Polybius I'm going to be reading this into the night.

I am neither a lobbyist, politician, media magnate or banker so no I'm not.

That's not true, the butcher and the cowboy are less important than the Beef. The legitimacy of Democracy needs the idiot masses for their support. Their usual dull cattle-like gaze and ease of herding to the polls notwithstanding. The legitimacy, and thus the lynchpin, of democracy therefore is every individual idiot of the Masses. The lobbyist-banker complex of financiers in Washington along with the media magnate exist solely to exchange the impression of votes & popular support for the legislator's vote or the executive's order. Often actual rewards too, but the job retention which corrupts even the nuts like AOC comes from votes. You could not keep the sham of Democracy without them, you must admit!

However much the cowboy today rapes the cow, making them flee to the internets to high-pitch bleat and bawl about it. They'll still vote Democrat and Republican reliably, and so the system continues legitimized by the majority who still vote.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

If you really care about the future then fight for it rather than whine about it in an echo chamber and expect someone else to do the hard lifting for you.

Just do everyone a favour and don't target some poor shmucks living their daily wage slave lifes.

 

[DumbDude42]

Liberal faggots will just weed themselves out of the gene pool in the long run. Groups like the Amish and other religious fundamentalists are breeding the fastest.

this doesnt matter as long as mass immigration exists. third worlders outbreed all these religious enclaves.

 

[Lemmingwise]

this doesnt matter as long as mass immigration exists. third worlders outbreed all these religious enclaves.

r/K

 

[Question Mark]

this doesnt matter as long as mass immigration exists. third worlders outbreed all these religious enclaves.

Brown people aren't immune to feminism and liberal faggotry, and will be culturally colonized with time. When third worlders immigrate to Western countries, they are inevitably exposed to all of the same factors that drive down White fertility rates in the first place. With Hispanics, for instance, their fertility rate is dropping rapidly.

 

[mr.moon1488]

Why would you want to? What have conservatives actually conserved in the past 100 years?

 

[Noir drag freak]

Capitalism, technology and scientific management is at odds with Conservatism.

 

[Spooky Doot Skelly]

and like most of you

hahahahaha
most of this site just wants to laugh. there's a reason politics is quarantined more or less.
to answer your question: you don't. it's literally impossible to stop "progress" as long as technology keeps advancing and standard of living goes up, it is inevitable that progressive ideas and change will happen.

Capitalism, technology and scientific management is at odds with Conservatism.

basically exactly this. if you wanted to be a true traditionalist you would need to go back to a pre-industrial, or even pre-agricultural society. most likely you'd want to advocate for some sort of primitivism/agrarian lifestyle

 

[Lemmingwise]

basically exactly this. if you wanted to be a true traditionalist you would need to go back to a pre-industrial, or even pre-agricultural society. most likely you'd want to advocate for some sort of primitivism/agrarian lifestyle

Capitalism, technology and scientific management is at odds with Conservatism.

The idea that conservatism can only be agragrian is pretty stupid, because it appeared when we were moving away from being agrarian and those were not the changes that were being fought by the then conservatists.

The other idea in this thread, that conservatists can only be succesful if things are frozen in time completely is an equally backward strawman of conservatism.

If you steelman conservatism instead, you'd say preserving certain things from change. And everyone is a conservatist to some degree. When you were put on lockdown, you wanted to resist that change and you especially wanted to resist it becoming normal. That is the conservatist impulse in miniature scale. It's like working for a startup that pivots and making sure some of the valuable things that are working well are not destroyed in the process.

Of course people's fatigue with conservatism is well placed, because we have seen many rapid changes for the worse take place the last decade.

 

[Anti-Intellectual]

It's going to be a requirement for Conservatives and Traditionalists to reconcile their ideology with modern day advancements. There are many answers and solutions are already there though; going off grid, improving self reliance, rebuilding connections with family then community, participating in municipal politics, these are all good starting points to a revival of Conservatism.

 

[Spooky Doot Skelly]

The idea that conservatism can only be agragrian is pretty stupid, because it appeared when we were moving away from being agrarian and those were not the changes that were being fought by the then conservatists.

The other idea in this thread, that conservatists can only be succesful if things are frozen in time is an equally backward strawman of conservatism.

If you steelman conservatism instead, you'd say preserving certain things from change. And everyone is a conservatist to some degree. When you were put on lockdown, you wanted to resist that change and you especially wanted to resist it becoming normal. That is the conservatist impulse in miniature scale. It's like worling for a startup that pivots and making sure some of the valuable things that are working well are not destroyed in the process.

Of course people's fatigue with conservatism is well placed, because we have seen many rapid changes for the worse take place the last decade.

I disagree. The problems that conservatives have with society will not be changed by staying in the current System we have. The 1950's, for example, is but a snapshot of international capitalism and it is impossible to freeze that in time. Large-scale agriculture and industrialization fundamentally make it impossible for conservation of any values long-term. This is due to increasingly complex technological systems you are reliant on in order to live, and what sort of values they coerce from the population.

A classic example that you're probably familiar with since you're here is payment processors; the technology behind them, the organizations, layers, etc., is so incredibly complex that probably only a handful of people in the world (i.e. some principle engineers at VISA or whatever) understand everything in-depth. Yet we are all incredibly dependent on them and they significantly influence the values society holds. Being postured against powers like this will never be realistic unless you lobby for some sort of law change, which would necessarily strengthen state power over commerce, which could always be used against you later in the future, so that too is a gamble.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I disagree. The problems that conservatives have with society will not be changed by staying in the current System we have. The 1950's, for example, is but a snapshot of international capitalism and it is impossible to freeze that in time. Large-scale agriculture and industrialization fundamentally make it impossible for conservation of any values long-term. This is due to increasingly complex technological systems you are reliant on in order to live, and what sort of values they coerce from the population.

A classic example that you're probably familiar with since you're here is payment processors; the technology behind them, the organizations, layers, etc., is so incredibly complex that probably only a handful of people in the world (i.e. some principle engineers at VISA or whatever) understand everything in-depth. Yet we are all incredibly dependent on them and they significantly influence the values society holds. Being postured against powers like this will never be realistic unless you lobby for some sort of law change, which would necessarily strengthen state power over commerce, which could always be used against you later in the future, so that too is a gamble.

Thereis nothing uniquely complex about payment processors. A couple of autists made crypto's. Instead it's mastercard and the like are made intentionally convoluted and labyrinthine so they can keep control and monopolies over it. The harder the laws are to follow, the better for these banks with their legion of lobbyists and senators.

It's also not necessary to have all knowledge of something in a single person.

And though I am familiar with online payments, I pay for most things in cash, because I like keeping my transactions from computers.

Anyways, I fail to see how payment processors are an argument against the idea of there being conservatives who want to preserve certain institutions or practices that are time-proven and work well. Like for example cash payments.

If anything the stated complexity (and vulnerability to large scale EMP, whether natural or man made sabotage or war) is an argument against moving all our payment to digital.

 

[Kero]

I’m not sure what exactly is meant by conservatism anymore, but I think what’s truly needed these days is a sense of human dignity.

It’s a real shame to see people mistreat their bodies and their pride as a human being. Not this bullshit pride for being a certain color or fucking people in their asses, but pride for accomplishing something worthwhile or difficult.

Funny to imagine every ancestor that came before a person and look at what people are like today. 10,000 years and we ended up with the shit you read about on the farms.

 

[L50LasPak]

I want to see trannies, marxists, and their teachers kicked out of schools. I don't want to hear about donut punching blacks wearing fucking hijabs. I don't want immigrants anywhere near me or my children unless they're white or Japanese. I want to restore the black family unit in Europe and the new world along with the traditional family unit, period. I want the homeless to be forced into nuthouses where they belong.

I don't doubt that you want all of these things, but you haven't done anything to earn them. If these people were causing you no direct trouble you'd be just as indifferent to their existence as any city liberal. You don't actually believe any of the things conservatives do, you just call yourself one because you happen not to like the same factions they dislike. Which is why conservativism is dead and their age long passed (I pin the death of conservativism as occuring in the 90s at the latest).

There are relatively few people left who even understand what the old traditional values actually were, let alone those who go to the trouble of upholding them. And the people who do uphold them make exceptions to the rules that have their ancestors spinning in their graves. All of them. Modern conservatives are not conservatives, they are disgruntled liberals.

 

[Lemmingwise]

What does it mean to be a conservative in an age so skeptical of conservatism? How can we live in the presence of our 'canonized forefathers' at a time when their cultural, religious and political bequest is so routinely rejected? With soft left-liberalism as the dominant force in Western politics, what can conservatives now contribute to public debate that will not be dismissed as pure nostalgia?

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How to be a Conservative is not only a blueprint for modern conservatism. It is a heartfelt appeal on behalf of old fashioned decencies and values, which are the bedrock of our weakened, but still enduring, civilization.

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[Bad Gateway]

like most of you

You don't know where you are.

 

[Sealbaby]

I’m not sure what exactly is meant by conservatism anymore, but I think what’s truly needed these days is a sense of human dignity.

If there is less of what you call 'dignity' (I would call it stoicism and self-restraint) among people in general, it's partly because the people society kept out of sight and out of mind, detained without trial in funny farms, were empowered by the internet - particularly the 'wild west' early 2000s phase of the internet - to stamp their mark on wider culture.

I could just as easily counter you by saying that extrajudicially locking up and lobotomising the likes of Rosemary Kennedy - who would be a frothing Pluralpedia-editing, carrd-making SJW if she were born in the 2000s - was not very dignified behaviour on the part of polite society.

Also you put your own self-restraint into question the moment you logged into KF.

 

[DumbDude42]

Capitalism, technology and scientific management is at odds with Conservatism.

capitalism, technology and scientific development are perfectly in line with a traditionalist society. japan in the period between the meiji restoration and ww2 experienced a golden age where all three were seeing unprecedented advancement, while the country itself was governed by hardline militarists and an emperor who claimed a literal god as his ancestor.
similarly, imperial germany in the years between unification and ww1 was a world leader in science, technology, engineering and industry, while governed by staunch traditionalist emperors and nobles, who were overwhelmingly in the camp of reactionaries and counter-revolutionists in terms of political position.