Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mississippi Motorboater]

That and the continuity will be just as fucked for the sake of going back to square one... Just like with SW... Oh joy...

Indiana Jones and the Curse of the 'Legends' Label: The Future of the Franchise

Since its acquisition of Lucasfilm in 2012, Disney has not released a single piece of...

thedisinsider.com

And they're already bragging about wiping the slate/canon clean like when Disney did the same with SW because that just did wonders for them...

I think the reason half of these people celebrate the decanonization of years of material is that it relieves them of the responsibility of being knowledgeable about the franchise they're trying to get into. They don't have to concern themselves with all that stuffy "lore" and "continuity", and partake in the spectacle at a base, vapid level. It allows them to be part of the conversation without being informed or well-versed on the subject...like how suddenly normies who wouldn't touch a Marvel comic can now sperg about "how hawt the Winter Soldier is."

Regarding all the Indy lore being potentially bulldozed...my question is why? Most of it is standalone adventures that can easily be written around, and be included solely through the odd reference. That's the benefit of Indy's pulp roots, is that having monster-of-the-week scenarios frees you of being strictly bound to continuity.

There's literally no reason to do it outside of hubris. The self-assured notion that "we can do better." And I guarantee you, they can't and they won't. I won't lie and act like all the Indy comics and novels were worth reading (in all honesty, the consistency of quality never came anywhere close to something like the Star Wars EU), but you can bet that we won't have Indy adventures as good as Fate of Atlantis or Thunder of the Orient or Emperor's Tomb. Marvel has proven with Star Wars, and is currently proving with Alien, that they destroy any IP they touch. Del Rey has shown the kind of talentless assholes they contract to pinch out books, and MachineGames has already ran Wolfenstein in to the ground with their creative ineptitude. I have zero hope that they're erasing the previous lore in the pursuit of better stories.

But the biggest insult will be if they decanonize the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. That wasn't the one-off license nonsense peddled by a no-name author...that came from George Lucas himself. He created genuinely good character history for Indy, his parents, his schoolmates and historical idols, and even used it as a vehicle to tackle historical topics that were fascinating to Lucas personally. And he did it without the crutch of anyone like Spielberg, proving yet again that Lucas had talent to offer in a post-OT world, despite what many may claim.

I will be legit pissed if that's removed from canon, just so the soyboys at Disney can rewrite Indiana's history to their liking. Fuck that.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Young Indiana Jones Chronicles undoubtably is going to get fucked as it is way too problematic* for current day Disney. And the only thing Ford GAF is getting pay so he can buy a new plane to replace the one he just crashed.
*Part of the series takes place in Africa during WWI and that run counters to "We Wuz Kangz and shit" and Wakanda forever.

 

[HandsomeDan]

I think the reason half of these people celebrate the decanonization of years of material is that it relieves them of the responsibility of being knowledgeable about the franchise they're trying to get into. They don't have to concern themselves with all that stuffy "lore" and "continuity", and partake in the spectacle at a base, vapid level. It allows them to be part of the conversation without being informed or well-versed on the subject...like how suddenly normies who wouldn't touch a Marvel comic can now sperg about "how hawt the Winter Soldier is."

Regarding all the Indy lore being potentially bulldozed...my question is why? Most of it is standalone adventures that can easily be written around, and be included solely through the odd reference. That's the benefit of Indy's pulp roots, is that having monster-of-the-week scenarios frees you of being strictly bound to continuity.

There's literally no reason to do it outside of hubris. The self-assured notion that "we can do better." And I guarantee you, they can't and they won't. I won't lie and act like all the Indy comics and novels were worth reading (in all honesty, the consistency of quality never came anywhere close to something like the Star Wars EU), but you can bet that we won't have Indy adventures as good as Fate of Atlantis or Thunder of the Orient or Emperor's Tomb. Marvel has proven with Star Wars, and is currently proving with Alien, that they destroy any IP they touch. Del Rey has shown the kind of talentless assholes they contract to pinch out books, and MachineGames has already ran Wolfenstein in to the ground with their creative ineptitude. I have zero hope that they're erasing the previous lore in the pursuit of better stories.

But the biggest insult will be if they decanonize the Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. That wasn't the one-off license nonsense peddled by a no-name author...that came from George Lucas himself. He created genuinely good character history for Indy, his parents, his schoolmates and historical idols, and even used it as a vehicle to tackle historical topics that were fascinating to Lucas personally. And he did it without the crutch of anyone like Spielberg, proving yet again that Lucas had talent to offer in a post-OT world, despite what many may claim.

I will be legit pissed if that's removed from canon, just so the soyboys at Disney can rewrite Indiana's history to their liking. Fuck that.

The YIJC was legitimately a very well done show, especially the episodes where he was older during WW1. I would like to be able to watch them again. The old man Indy starting off the episodes was interesting as well. The point of not having to be familiar with canon is certainly a reason for this, but just like with star wars this is really about destroying what they see as a previous "white" version of everything."its about lifting up all voices and stories" as they love to say.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Young Indiana Jones Chronicles undoubtably is going to get fucked as it is way too problematic* for current day Disney. And the only thing Ford GAF is getting pay so he can buy a new plane to replace the one he just crashed.
*Part of the series takes place in Africa during WWI and that run counters to "We Wuz Kangz and shit" and Wakanda forever.

All those weird accidents like the Millennium Falcon's door crushing his leg and Carrie Fisher's death were all acts of God. He fucking hates those Sequel movies and kept trying to kill Harrison Ford, but sucked so He went after her instead.

 

[Gar For Archer]

I genuinely don’t understand this obsession with canon. Seriously, who the fuck cares what some evil corporation tells you is canon or not? Just like with Star Wars, there’s literally nothing stopping you from going, “nah, the old shit’s still canon for me, I don’t give a crap about your new shit”. If YIJC and the original trilogy represent your Indy, nothing Disney does can take that away from you.

Canonicity only matters when there’s mutual respect between the fans and the creators. It isn’t a weapon that can be used to coerce and bludgeon unruly fans into submission - once the fans decide that they no longer care to listen to the creators and would rather start deciding their own canon, all of that perceived power over the fans is completely lost.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They're semetic Jews. Jews are not white

Yes they are. Most Jews are either Sephardic (Mediterranean-descent) or Ashkenazim (Eastern European) and most of them originate from Europe. The original middle eastern Jews are long gone, having been absorbed into the Roman populace, becoming Sephardic Jews.

It’s honestly appalling that these films pander hard to these minority groups yet they patronize them as hard as possible.

Both the OT and PT actually had good representation in their characters.

Because again, you're dealing with people who use women and minorities as shields and pawns. They're not going to give these people true power, just nominal power or attention to make themselves look good.

The OT had a princess and a black space baron. The PT had a queen/senator and a black Jedi Master who killed Mandalore and nearly killed the Emperor.

I think the reason half of these people celebrate the decanonization of years of material is that it relieves them of the responsibility of being knowledgeable about the franchise they're trying to get into. They don't have to concern themselves with all that stuffy "lore" and "continuity", and partake in the spectacle at a base, vapid level. It allows them to be part of the conversation without being informed or well-versed on the subject...like how suddenly normies who wouldn't touch a Marvel comic can now sperg about "how hawt the Winter Soldier is."

It is, to them, the way they can enter into nerd circles which once had a high bar for entrance. Now, they can enter and be just as much nerds as the old guard, because the old lore no longer matters. It's an anti-gatekeeping measure, because these twats can't even be bothered to read or spend time with these franchises outside of the main movies.

I genuinely don’t understand this obsession with canon. Seriously, who the fuck cares what some evil corporation tells you is canon or not? Just like with Star Wars, there’s literally nothing stopping you from going, “nah, the old shit’s still canon for me, I don’t give a crap about your new shit”. If YIJC and the original trilogy represent your Indy, nothing Disney does can take that away from you.

Canonicity only matters when there’s mutual respect between the fans and the creators. It isn’t a weapon that can be used to coerce and bludgeon unruly fans into submission - once the fans decide that they no longer care to listen to the creators and would rather start deciding their own canon, all of that perceived power over the fans is completely lost.

People who like to ascribe to a canon are shitting their pants now, but for people who make up their own canons, now's a great time since the official canon is a mess, so people can make up their own canon and go with it.

 

[White Devil]

Yes they are. Most Jews are either Sephardic (Mediterranean-descent) or Ashkenazim (Eastern European) and most of them originate from Europe. The original middle eastern Jews are long gone, having been absorbed into the Roman populace, becoming Sephardic Jews.

Jews aren't white. [2]

 

[Gar For Archer]

Yes they are. Most Jews are either Sephardic (Mediterranean-descent) or Ashkenazim (Eastern European) and most of them originate from Europe. The original middle eastern Jews are long gone, having been absorbed into the Roman populace, becoming Sephardic Jews.


Because again, you're dealing with people who use women and minorities as shields and pawns. They're not going to give these people true power, just nominal power or attention to make themselves look good.

The OT had a princess and a black space baron. The PT had a queen/senator and a black Jedi Master who killed Mandalore and nearly killed the Emperor.


It is, to them, the way they can enter into nerd circles which once had a high bar for entrance. Now, they can enter and be just as much nerds as the old guard, because the old lore no longer matters. It's an anti-gatekeeping measure, because these twats can't even be bothered to read or spend time with these franchises outside of the main movies.


People who like to ascribe to a canon are shitting their pants now, but for people who make up their own canons, now's a great time since the official canon is a mess, so people can make up their own canon and go with it.

That’s what I’m saying though - who the fuck are these people who blindly ascribe to canon and refuse to think for themselves even when they hate what the official canon is doing? Why are they choosing to give Disney that kind of power over how they enjoy a story?

The great thing about fiction is that anyone can come up with their own interpretation and enjoyment of something. Sure your headcanons might be shit, but if you want to enjoy something a certain way, literally nobody can stop you from having your fun. I just don’t get why people would trade that freedom for the word of a soulless corporation who hates them and doesn’t give a single shit about the zombie properties they’re keeping on life support.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Jews aren't white. [2]

They typically come from Europe, they've got white skin, they're white.

That’s what I’m saying though - who the fuck are these people who blindly ascribe to canon and refuse to think for themselves even when they hate what the official canon is doing? Why are they choosing to give Disney that kind of power over how they enjoy a story?

The great thing about fiction is that anyone can come up with their own interpretation and enjoyment of something. Sure your headcanons might be shit, but if you want to enjoy something a certain way, literally nobody can stop you from having your fun. I just don’t get why people would trade that freedom for the word of a soulless corporation who hates them and doesn’t give a single shit about the zombie properties they’re keeping on life support.

Exactly. Right now, I'm just working on my version of SW canon, and I'm sure many people are doing so, too.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

So how much is Paramount is suppose to make off of Indy 5 since they were the initial co-financiers and producers of the original four films?

 

[White Devil]

They typically come from Europe, they've got white skin, they're white.

Jews aren't white. [3]

 

[Adamska]

I'm not sure if any of you have heard of this already, but Wookieepedo got locked out of its own twitter page and are now tweeting through an alt.

Eh, fuck them, especially since I'm expecting at any point they'll try to Year Zero the Legends articles to really hammer in the New Mythos.

The only annoyance is you lose out on a repository, but they fucked that up anyway.

Meanwhile, Disney has been promoting Revan more heavily as of late due to his apparent cameo in the upcoming High Republic tv show and comics... Even getting another new figure, and you know this is just more cheap pandering because they know nobody wants their new shit.

More vaporware and lies then to hide the lack of content due to ineptitude, self loathing, and embezzlement. It's going to be a fakeout.

And James Mangold, the director of Indy 5 had a meltdown on Twitter.

https://cosmicbook.news/indiana-jones-5-director-james-mangold-responds-backlash

So yeah, I'm expecting this to be a trashfire that people might turn a blind eye to thanks to empty nostalgia. We also learn that this movie may be stupider than anticipated and may feature CGI Ford in abundance...
That and the continuity will be just as fucked for the sake of going back to square one... Just like with SW... Oh joy...

Indiana Jones and the Curse of the 'Legends' Label: The Future of the Franchise

Since its acquisition of Lucasfilm in 2012, Disney has not released a single piece of...

thedisinsider.com

And they're already bragging about wiping the slate/canon clean like when Disney did the same with SW because that just did wonders for them...

There's barely any canon for Indy because he was designed for Serial work. Literally anything goes with him barring a nod or two as needed.

And it's nice to see the War Against Reality begin with making a CGI corpse of Ford to do stuff he can't, and with all of the attempts to ignore what came before. l'etat irreal!

I genuinely don’t understand this obsession with canon. Seriously, who the fuck cares what some evil corporation tells you is canon or not? Just like with Star Wars, there’s literally nothing stopping you from going, “nah, the old shit’s still canon for me, I don’t give a crap about your new shit”. If YIJC and the original trilogy represent your Indy, nothing Disney does can take that away from you.

It's a control scheme. Corporations and hacks have poorly understood how fans care about a setting. They are treating it like a centralized form of reality you must accept and consoom, because their own product is so godawful it's the only cudgel they have left. Hacks especially think that if they force their own canon in, then they have the praise and control over the setting.

But it won't work entirely due to Death of the Author.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

So how much is Paramount is suppose to make off of Indy 5 since they were the initial co-financiers and producers of the original four films?

Not that much, considering that Indy 5's director has been shitting on fans. So anyone who has an incentive to spend money on that shit is probably going to walk away.

Eh, fuck them, especially since I'm expecting at any point they'll try to Year Zero the Legends articles to really hammer in the New Mythos.

And that would kill at least 3/4ths of their dying readership. Good riddance.

And it's nice to see the War Against Reality begin with making a CGI corpse of Ford to do stuff he can't, and with all of the attempts to ignore what came before. l'etat irreal!

I won't be surprised if they slowly replace all actors with CGI and voice actors down the line. Less stress, no need for sets, just rendered backgrounds.

It's a control scheme. Corporations and hacks have poorly understood how fans care about a setting. They are treating it like a centralized form of reality you must accept and consoom, because their own product is so godawful it's the only cudgel they have left. Hacks especially think that if they force their own canon in, then they have the praise and control over the setting.

But it won't work entirely due to Death of the Author.

Death of the author means the rise of fan canon.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

@White Devil @LORD IMPERATOR keep it on topic.

 

[Autistic AT-ST]

That’s what I’m saying though - who the fuck are these people who blindly ascribe to canon and refuse to think for themselves even when they hate what the official canon is doing? Why are they choosing to give Disney that kind of power over how they enjoy a story?

The great thing about fiction is that anyone can come up with their own interpretation and enjoyment of something. Sure your headcanons might be shit, but if you want to enjoy something a certain way, literally nobody can stop you from having your fun. I just don’t get why people would trade that freedom for the word of a soulless corporation who hates them and doesn’t give a single shit about the zombie properties they’re keeping on life support.

Good luck making an original IP become even relatively successful compared to SW even close to it was during its origins in the 70's in the age of the troon and Globalist erasure of global cultures with zero effective pushback. Steam is full of shovelware like HENTAI WW2, faggot's first game early access pre-alpha sooper secret edition, other random shit, and troon garbage, and most AAA studios are full of troons and bought and paid for to be little more than propaganda mills.

The ONLY reason EAfront 2 got as good as it did was because of the massive uproar that they let happen. Otherwise the reddit jannies/glowniggers sure as well would have easily spent weeks carpet banning every opinion that wasn't what they wanted to turn the illusion of public opinion. Hell they do it all the time and have literal military divisions dedicated to that petty shit. Im not joking. tinfoil hat off.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Good luck making an original IP become even relatively successful compared to SW even close to it was during its origins in the 70's in the age of the troon and Globalist erasure of global cultures with zero effective pushback. Steam is full of shovelware like HENTAI WW2, faggot's first game early access pre-alpha sooper secret edition, other random shit, and troon garbage, and most AAA studios are full of troons and bought and paid for to be little more than propaganda mills.

The ONLY reason EAfront 2 got as good as it did was because of the massive uproar that they let happen. Otherwise the reddit jannies/glowniggers sure as well would have easily spent weeks carpet banning every opinion that wasn't what they wanted to turn the illusion of public opinion. Hell they do it all the time and have literal military divisions dedicated to that petty shit. Im not joking. tinfoil hat off.

Nobody’s forcing you to consoom modern media. We have decades worth of old video games, a century’s worth of movies and TV, millennia’s worth of old literature. If you REALLY think modern media is that unbearable to your sensibilities, put your money where your mouth is and start digging - humanity has enough of a collective media backlog to keep you entertained for the rest of your life. We’re in an age where we have the privilege of easy, mostly unrestricted (and free, if you know where to look) access to the world’s media, much of it translated into English for our convenience.

If you’re not interested in more esoteric means of entertainment, you can continue to enjoy the Star Wars you like without a continuous stream of new releases, you know.

 

[Ghostse]

Reminder: If You Won't Date A Star Wars Geek, You Are A Geekphobic Bigot

Internet, we need to talk. It's come to my attention that there are many human females out there who won't date me, not because of anything I've done wrong, but because of their deep-seated biases against Star Wars geeks.This is called geekphobia, and it's a real problem.Look, let's talk frankly...

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Reminder: If You Won't Date A Star Wars Geek, You Are A Geekphobic Bigot

Internet, we need to talk. It's come to my attention that there are many human females out there who won't date me, not because of anything I've done wrong, but because of their deep-seated biases against Star Wars geeks.

This is called geekphobia, and it's a real problem.

Look, let's talk frankly here. If you won't date a guy who can talk for three hours straight about the Thrawn trilogy, face it: you're a bigot. It's not your personal preferences that prevent you from dating me -- it's your bigotry and hatred against those who identify as fans of a 40-year-old science-fiction franchise and still play with Kenner action figures all day.

Society has programmed you females to prefer men who have "upper body strength" and "social skills" and don't "endlessly debate how horrible the sequel films are with strangers on the internet late into the night." Like it or not, preferring to date a man who doesn't "go on and on about how the prequels are looking increasingly good in light of what Disney did to Star Wars" and "talk about how Han shot first every time we watch the original trilogy" is because you've been brainwashed by a patriarchal society that has trained you to find more "masculine" and "less weird" qualities attractive in a mate.

Frankly, a lot of this boils down to normal guy privilege. What's normal guy privilege, you may ask, fair females of our species? Allow me to geeksplain. Normal guy privilege is the systemic advantages in the dating sphere enjoyed by guys who don't have pasty white skin from playing the Star Wars RPG in their basements every night, who have useful marital skills like being able to hold a conversation without ranting about Rose Tico, and who "take showers" and "don't have permanent body odor from playing old-school Star Wars games like Jedi Knight and Rogue Squadron into the early morning hours every evening."

The truly woke females will confront their inherent biases and date a Star Wars geek immediately. It's the only way to end geekphobia for good.

Babylon Bee continues to land hit after hit.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Nobody’s forcing you to consoom modern media. We have decades worth of old video games, a century’s worth of movies and TV, millennia’s worth of old literature. If you REALLY think modern media is that unbearable to your sensibilities, put your money where your mouth is and start digging - humanity has enough of a collective media backlog to keep you entertained for the rest of your life. We’re in an age where we have the privilege of easy, mostly unrestricted (and free, if you know where to look) access to the world’s media, much of it translated into English for our convenience.

If you’re not interested in more esoteric means of entertainment, you can continue to enjoy the Star Wars you like without a continuous stream of new releases, you know.

That's what I've been telling all my friends. They bemoan how things stink now, and yet, with a few keyboard taps, they can access a whole library's worth of good media. Don't like the new capeshit stuff? Look up old Marvel or DC cartoons. The modern SW novels are too grating for you to withstand? There's PDFs of old SW novels and encyclopedias lying around in the web, and you can buy them in Ebay or Amazon and buy old, Pre-Disney copies. If you can't find books without the Legends banner, just use a black marker to blot out the Legends banner.

And of course, I continue to play old Star Wars games. When people were whining about Episode IX being a stinky meatball, I was binging on KOTOR and Jedi Academy. When people were talking about how Mandalorian Season 1 was mediocre in their minds, I was having my own Mandalorian adventures with the Bounty Hunter and the Republic Commando games. When people whine about how the modern Empire sucks now, I go boot up Empire at War or Galactic Battlegrounds and participate in good, old-fashioned, Imperial genocides against aliens, rebels, and whatever else I feel like pointing a Death Star's superlaser at.

 

[Ghostse]

Nobody’s forcing you to consoom modern media. We have decades worth of old video games, a century’s worth of movies and TV, millennia’s worth of old literature. If you REALLY think modern media is that unbearable to your sensibilities, put your money where your mouth is and start digging - humanity has enough of a collective media backlog to keep you entertained for the rest of your life. We’re in an age where we have the privilege of easy, mostly unrestricted (and free, if you know where to look) access to the world’s media, much of it translated into English for our convenience.

If you’re not interested in more esoteric means of entertainment, you can continue to enjoy the Star Wars you like without a continuous stream of new releases, you know.

Sort of. Its like trying to be a fan of Lethal Weapon or Die Hard while saying "the sequels are awful and don't exist"*; by still being a fan and trying to enjoy these things in a community, you are lumped in with the people who like the horrible sequels. The horrible sequels mean even if the brand is sold, or if competent people are brought in, this is still going to affect the series for the foreseeable future.

No man person Star Wars Nerd is an island. Sure, it is possible to enjoy the pre-Rat media and declare your own head cannon, but that's really empty and everyone knows it, because your world view does not match reality. Any article, any news item, is going to remind you that the horrible sequel shit exists and for the majority of nerdom, that's what Star Wars is now.

Also, if you're enjoying legacy star wars by buying new product, that is giving Disney money, you're just as much a part of the problem as the Reylos buying Bad Krayt-Dragon Lightsabers with vibration function.

* Yes, LW2 was good and DHWAV was the fucking tits. Its a thought experiment, not 1:1 reality mapping.

 

[Creep3r]

Nobody’s forcing you to consoom modern media. We have decades worth of old video games, a century’s worth of movies and TV, millennia’s worth of old literature. If you REALLY think modern media is that unbearable, humanity has enough of a collective media backlog to keep you entertained for the rest of your life.

You can continue to enjoy the Star Wars you like without a continuous stream of new releases, you know.

You're not wrong on how all fans obsessing over wanting companies to define what the "one true canon" is is stupid, especially with all the morons who look onto Matt "Porgcuck" Martin like some sort of continuity demigod. Problem is finding other tards to enjoy old shit with. Majority of SW fans these days have either dropped out of SW (most have moved onto weebshit or 40k after Disney) and those that haven't left don't want to discuss old stuff, and if they do it's mainly to discuss how they love mixing canons or how they want to fuck Ahsoka. And you can't even have mods or a /tg/ session set in old canon that doesn't devolve into Snoke, the First Order, Ahsoka or Dr. Aphra showing up as part of the GM's Magical Realm fetish scenario. And any discussion on SW not revolving around Disney usually devolves into a fetishistic circle jerk over what color panties Ahsoka or Rey wears or some weirdos yiffing in Mando'a. And that without going into all the pre-Disney projects and stories that were left unfinished or unreleased because of them... So in a sense, your options are either a deserted island with maybe 1 or 2 decent castaways if you're lucky, or the local port filled with screeching harpies, orange lolifags and mayo-covered rainbow flags.

And even the few good fan projects or mods we get now like the ones for Empire at War start ramming in shit from Disney to stay relevant while doing little to finish content based on old stuff. And then there's fuck ups like the disastrous DarkLight SWG project that wasted years worth of time and resources recreating Rey's Tatooine-knockoff planet from Force Awakens only for the team of fags to sperg out and drop the project as a whole, thus wasting everyone's time and resources (which was pretty hilarious, not gonna lie). Or how the guy who was doing the Dark Empire fan film decided to make it a tie-in to IX for some reason... Thankfully in terms of decent fan communities, SWG: Legends and SWG: Restoration are still consistent and dedicated, and SWTimeline bothers to release unpublished books. Then there's SWTOR which is also adding Disney shit... but its pretty much just shitpost central now.

Also what @Ghostse said.