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Of course it's with George. The stans are gonna eat this shit up.View attachment 2307222
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Of course it's with George. The stans are gonna eat this shit up.View attachment 2307222
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Karl's vid is up. I don't expect it to go anywhere but I'll download it and if anything happens pm me and I can provide it, even if it means breaking it up and reuploading here.
(not detailed)
20 minutes in and it's him trying to show how what Clay has said is actually reasonable and not manipulation/lying
My favorite bit is his baseless speculation on why the mod dev didn't tell anyone about their changes to the client at any point which basically amounts to "They didn't wanna get fired once they realized how much drama they caused"
30 minutes in
Fair consideration of the infamous astrostatistician.
44 minutes in
just explaining Dream is retarded at math but glances over a blatant retarded lie by Clay as a misunderstanding
52 minutes
Karl says he contacted the mods quoted in Clay's response video and they asked him not to share those messages and used them in a misleading away
56 minutes
Acknowledges Clay twists quotes to suit his agenda. Says he "bends the truth" but doesn't blatantly lie.
59 minutes
Says a lot of things he thinks Clay has improved on since the cheating drama, notably that Clay really does seem to try to reign in his fans
1 hour 5 minutes
acts like it's crazy that Clay would fake his reactions to the livestreamed cheatruns
1 hour 6 minutes
acts like it's crazy that Clay would write a 10 page "report" on probabilities when Clay had no business writing it to begin with considering how demonstrably bad at math he is
also acts like it's crazy he'd spin a general web of lies (it is which is why this thread is fun)
Overall - Karl is being way too soft but that's his thing so expected.
Dream changes stances and stories more than he eats calories a day. The result is that Dream is a cheater and a liar, this should not be a debate. He intentionally cheated via his mod designed to cheat those exact things created for manhunt. Not to mention his 1.15 runs were under suspicion at the time he "admitted" to cheatingOne thing after mulling this video over is the talking point that "Since Dream had no consistent narrative then he was probably innocent of malicious cheating" which goes against basic concepts in law; if a witness consistently changes their story they're unreliable. Karl goes on to justify his stance with the example of Billy Mitchell who, unlike Dream, is not personable and sticks to his story. This only says how good of a liar Mitchell is and not Dream's innocence and in the same video is shown to be an incompetent liar trying to spin half truths into a persecution narrative.
I think it's clear that Karl, despite giving a fair amount of valid and deserved criticism, became a bit too attached to the personalities at play and set out with the mindset to "not be like that guilible uninformed hatemob" which made him into an easy mark.
t wasnt for that shit move, I would've taken out my sodie-pops by now and invested HARD into Dramacoin. I LIVE to see stans screech over their parasocial god.the dude that tweeted about the Dream LGBT stream controversy is such a fucking moron
Man posted this on June 30th and gave the man a free cop out, Dream just streamed before June ended and then donated. All he had to do was wait until July 1st and his fanbase would've rioted lmao
bad look for dramacoin
Karl's vid is up. I don't expect it to go anywhere but I'll download it and if anything happens pm me and I can provide it, even if it means breaking it up and reuploading here.
(not detailed)
20 minutes in and it's him trying to show how what Clay has said is actually reasonable and not manipulation/lying
My favorite bit is his baseless speculation on why the mod dev didn't tell anyone about their changes to the client at any point which basically amounts to "They didn't wanna get fired once they realized how much drama they caused"
30 minutes in
Fair consideration of the infamous astrostatistician.
44 minutes in
just explaining Dream is retarded at math but glances over a blatant retarded lie by Clay as a misunderstanding
52 minutes
Karl says he contacted the mods quoted in Clay's response video and they asked him not to share those messages and used them in a misleading away
56 minutes
Acknowledges Clay twists quotes to suit his agenda. Says he "bends the truth" but doesn't blatantly lie.
59 minutes
Says a lot of things he thinks Clay has improved on since the cheating drama, notably that Clay really does seem to try to reign in his fans
1 hour 5 minutes
acts like it's crazy that Clay would fake his reactions to the livestreamed cheatruns
1 hour 6 minutes
acts like it's crazy that Clay would write a 10 page "report" on probabilities when Clay had no business writing it to begin with considering how demonstrably bad at math he is
also acts like it's crazy he'd spin a general web of lies (it is which is why this thread is fun)
Overall - Karl is being way too soft but that's his thing so expected.
Wow. The video is definitely a Dream commissioned psy op. Sad people fall for this stuff. He responded pretty much how I said he would.Dream responded to some stuff on reddit:
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hi this is Dream
I thought I would make this post regarding the Karl Jobst video because I thought it would be interesting and potentially helpful. Karl did an amazing job and as an investigator uncovered a lot of stuff that even I somehow didn't think about or realize. He didn't cover all of it, because he mostly focused on the mis-information rather than providing "information in my defense". I also don't want to create more drama or argue things more, so I decided against making a second channel video or anything. So below is just some stuff that Karl uncovered in his investigation that could be useful in coming to a determination. Would also be fine with answering questions below regarding his video or the speedruns in general.
Will be providing the information objectively with screenshots.
Info: While investigating Karl uncovered evidence that I had fabric and more importantly fabric API and used it in videos months before the streamed speedruns. You can tell I am using Fabric API in the screenshot below during a manhunt. You can tell because it says "[Fabric] Active renderer: none(vanilla)" on the F3 menu:
Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/35462ca61fa74a0f8c7dcaf591191b92
Importance: This video is not a mod video, and shows that I had fabric API installed and was using it well before my speedruns without any specific mods for a video. This was for a performance and QOL recording mod.
Info: While investigating Karl uncovered evidence that I had volunteered any files the moderators wanted when asked directly after my speedrun. It sounds stupid that he uncovered this, but I just never deep dove through all my messages with the mods until he prompted me to.
Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/07990f38358cbce4bb5aee772e18a04d
Importance: On the 18th (9 days later), I was asked about my mod folder and was unable to provide it then because I had deleted it on the 17th, the day before when I said I was quitting speedrunning. This is only important subjectively to show willingness to cooperate, even though I'm still an idiot
Info: There are still some people confused about me being dishonest about having had a recording mod in the first place to the moderators. I had mentioned the QOL mod on multiple occasions to the mods and Karl even mentioned in his video that I told Willz, a speedrun moderator, that if fabric api was actually on I was probably using my recording mod too. Although I also said that there would be nothing in the mod that would effect my speedruns. Something that I had confirmed with the developer, and had decompiled my current version of the mod to check (and there was nothing). After seeing the fabric API logs and misunderstanding them, I thought that it was 100% that I wasn't using the recording mod, but that was after the mods released their report.
Screenshot: https://gyazo.com/3a7ccc4640b345866c6f0036accedfe8
Importance: I never hid the existence of a recording mod, and it isn't something I randomly made up. How important that is is subjective
People are also still confused about client / server side, which I think Karl does a great job of explaining, but I can clarify slightly on the specifics. I still currently (and previously) have a mod that I use while recording. This mod does a bunch of things related to performance, visual stuff, and other QOL improvements. This is visible in my videos due to the F3 menu being smaller, particles being lessened, certain sounds being lower, my main menu screen, servers list, and other visual aspects, as well as lots of non visual things.
This is separate from what would be on the server side, which are plugins that are also related to QOL but that cannot be done through the client side. This would include a pause command to pause the time in case we need to use the bathroom or something, decreased eye break percentages and higher pearl trade percentages (specifically now in 1.16.5, trades are like 1.16.1), and just generally other QOL improvements.
These two things can't be confused, are not compatible with each other and function completely differently.
Anyway I thought these were interesting things that Karl uncovered or helped me uncover during his investigation, which was much more thorough than I could have imagined.
I'm glad that this saga has come to more of a close, although I'm happy to answer any questions like I did with Karl because there's a lot of nuance to understanding everything. I think that Karl did a great job investigating though and I think that the harsh criticism he threw my way was well deserved.
me also^As a nosy bitch, feel free to share it in private message (I don't want to dox him either, I am just extremely curious).
For a second I swore to god that I saw this video posted in the thread already, and then I checked the date. So, I just chalked it up to clickbait youtubers for a second, but then I went to his videos feed.One of the worst videos I've ever seen, I thought there was new information about the photo, but it's just a recap of Dream's response, but for some reason now when it's not even relevant anymore, and the TikTok guy is used to debunk the photo whilst completely ignoring his follow up statements.
Commentary youtubers are even worse to watch than Breadtubers, and that's saying something.For a second I swore to god that I saw this video posted in the thread already, and then I checked the date. So, I just chalked it up to clickbait youtubers for a second, but then I went to his videos feed.
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Turns out I thought this because all of his thumbnails use the SAME EXACT FORMAT. Wouldn't making the equivalent of the exact same thumbnail just lead to your viewers thinking they've already watched thatshittyvideo?
Commentary youtubers are even worse to watch than Breadtubers, and that's saying something.
I am so tired of dream stans bringing up the stupid tiktok guy time after time, even though he said he lied for clout and that wasn't him. They will believe anything but the truth. Half the comments are sucking his cock because of course dream could "never be some ugly guy", The other half are chimping out about how horrible it is to fat shame "some random guy".One of the worst videos I've ever seen, I thought there was new information about the photo, but it's just a recap of Dream's response, but for some reason now when it's not even relevant anymore, and the TikTok guy is used to debunk the photo whilst completely ignoring his follow up statements.
Karl's vid is up. I don't expect it to go anywhere but I'll download it and if anything happens pm me and I can provide it, even if it means breaking it up and reuploading here.
Funny thing about this guy is that he’s actually a troon lol. This is his twitter.For a second I swore to god that I saw this video posted in the thread already, and then I checked the date. So, I just chalked it up to clickbait youtubers for a second, but then I went to his videos feed.
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Turns out I thought this because all of his thumbnails use the SAME EXACT FORMAT. Wouldn't making the equivalent of the exact same thumbnail just lead to your viewers thinking they've already watched thatshittyvideo?
I don't know what this retard is trying to say. Am I.. am I a boomer?View attachment 2315115
this isn’t even funny it’s a bit horrifying at this point how far people will go to defend these guys
Time is a circle this is just tumblr kinning shit with a new label.
I swear some of these people are just the Tumblr leftovers that jumped ship to Twitter because Tumblr banned porn.Time is a circle this is just tumblr kinning shit with a new label.