US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

China- We want air superiority!

Xi- We have air superiority at home...

The air superiority at home-
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Think of all the birds it murdered over the years.

 

[make_it_so]

Yeah, this totally isn't meant to be a Federal giveaway to the teachers unions and academic institutions that poured billions into the election.

"We'll give tax breaks to people that buy into the "Green Energy" scam companies set up by billionaire venture capitalists that funded my campaign - and also work to punish those industries that did not."

 

[Gehenna]

very good points and yeah, you guys can pretty much "command and conquer" a base set up in no time.

Maybe the chinks will suffer with logistics, it will be interesting to see, but will they need ac130s to pound the shit out of stuff if they can proactively level a city? Though I'm not sure what military gear they have or how effective it will be in the desert. Hard lessons were learned from Gulf War 1 that better prepared us for GW2. Have China ever operated in a desert?

You keep mentioning flattening cities. But that really doesn't matter in Afghanistan. The insurgents are largely in the mountains for their actual bases, with the cities being convenient targets -against the US- to prepare attacks from because we nominally avoid civilian casualties.

The first city that goes poof will teach them to not bother with that, and so mass civilian casualties will only serve to bolster their numbers as the survivors join en masse.

This is guerrilla warfare, not a standing army. Attacking civilian centers does nothing. Hell, it likely won't even demoralize them as most of them aren't even from Afghanistan.

 

[Socrates]

You keep mentioning flattening cities. But that really doesn't matter in Afghanistan. The insurgents are largely in the mountains for their actual bases, with the cities being convenient targets -against the US- to prepare attacks from because we nominally avoid civilian casualties.

The first city that goes poof will teach them to not bother with that, and so mass civilian casualties will only serve to bolster their numbers as the survivors join en masse.

This is guerrilla warfare, not a standing army. Attacking civilian centers does nothing. Hell, it likely won't even demoralize them as most of them aren't even from Afghanistan.

People seem to believe that China is completely immune to international pressure because they get away with treating their own people like garbage. Committing war crimes that put the rape of Nanking to shame is not the same thing as doing terrible things in your own dystopian shit hole where you have an iron grip on what kind of information gets out. You can cast enough plausible deniability to keep the corpos from pulling out due to bad PR on things happening inside your own nation, but it's a lot harder to find a way to propaganda away somebody asking "hey, didn't there used to be like, a city with people, in this corpse filled rubble pile here?" Just ask the germans about how acting like shit heads in belgium worked out for them.

 

[Radical Cadre]

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I don't mind if President Biden or anyone really gives us paid family sick leave and medicare for all. But you have to drawn down NATO almost entirely with the exceptions of troops and bases in the UK, France, and Poland. That's a good compromise. You can use the money you save to pay for your social programs and have some left over. And if you'd like to save more money, drawn down some of these "freedom of navigation" missions and post a bunch of aircraft carriers on patrols at home. Let these other nations patrol their shores. Or make them beg for us to come back. Then charge them for it.

 

[HumanHive]

People seem to believe that China is completely immune to international pressure because they get away with treating their own people like garbage. Committing war crimes that put the rape of Nanking to shame is not the same thing as doing terrible things in your own dystopian shit hole where you have an iron grip on what kind of information gets out. You can cast enough plausible deniability to keep the corpos from pulling out due to bad PR on things happening inside your own nation, but it's a lot harder to find a way to propaganda away somebody asking "hey, didn't there used to be like, a city with people, in this corpse filled rubble pile here?" Just ask the germans about how acting like shit heads in belgium worked out for them.

You’re wrong because you assume that moral outrage in and if itself caused Nazis and the like to be put on trial for war crimes. Military and industrial might was what brought war criminals to justice, not the now often mentioned “rules based global order”. The UN is theater. US moral policy is dictated by the Chamber of Commerce. Nobody cares how many bodies are being buried, only how cheap they can make shit somewhere else.

I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately, and it can be summarized like this: the West is like Don Quixote, believing in this moral and social fabric that no longer exists. His ideal was chivalry, ours is human rights. And just like “muh honor” and “muh chastity”, eventually “muh minority” and “muh wammen” becomes an absurd parody of itself. What once moderated behavior for the greater good now is used as a cudgel against weak rivals to one’s own power - and at that point a new morality slowly emerges.

China’s preferred morality is that of blood and soil. Their race, their land; while the rest of the world bows and sits in squalor. If the West’s best response is “muh warcrime that we can’t prosecute”, then you’ve already lost. Might as well mumble about fair maidens and how many dragons you’ve jousted.

 

[murdered meat bag]

They already expanded it from lunch, to breakfast and lunch, to all 3 meals, and then extended even THAT to summers.

Fuck you. Raise your own damn kids ffs.

worthy investment if youre a civic nationalist. we need to bring back trades and blacks are actually good at shit like hvac. in my flyover experience anyway, i know the coasts are a different story.

 

[Gehenna]

worthy investment if youre a civic nationalist. we need to bring back trades and blacks are actually good at shit like hvac. in my flyover experience anyway, i know the coasts are a different story.

HVAC, steel work, basically any manufacturing job. I did a fairly lengthy college paper on how the gutting of the rust belt just -destroyed- black communities in places like Chicago and Detroit, leading to massive crime issues.

 

[Socrates]

You’re wrong because you assume that moral outrage in and if itself caused Nazis and the like to be put on trial for war crimes. Military and industrial might was what brought war criminals to justice, not the now often mentioned “rules based global order”. The UN is theater. US moral policy is dictated by the Chamber of Commerce. Nobody cares how many bodies are being buried, only how cheap they can make shit somewhere else.

I’ve been thinking a lot about this lately, and it can be summarized like this: the West is like Don Quixote, believing in this moral and social fabric that no longer exists. His ideal was chivalry, ours is human rights. And just like “muh honor” and “muh chastity”, eventually “muh minority” and “muh wammen” becomes an absurd parody of itself. What once moderated behavior for the greater good now is used as a cudgel against weak rivals to one’s own power - and at that point a new morality slowly emerges.

China’s preferred morality is that of blood and soil. Their race, their land; while the rest of the world bows and sits in squalor. If the West’s best response is “muh warcrime that we can’t prosecute”, then you’ve already lost. Might as well mumble about fair maidens and how many dragons you’ve jousted.

You give China a lot more credit than they deserve. Despite the image they've painstakingly crafted through constant propaganda efforts and saber rattling, China very much relys on the rest of the world to feed and finance their absolutely ridiculous population. They have this funny little game they play where they are simultaneously a poor little developing nation that totes needs all those IMF loans, subsidized shipping etc, and also the Tiger of the East that is the undisputable master of the entire eastern hemisphere and Not To Be Fucked With. The reality is somewhere in the middle. They have an unfathomable amount of manpower and a notorious lack of scruples when it comes to respecting peoples basic humanity, but they also ship in tons of food from the west because their land is mostly garbage for growing and most of their GDP also relys almost entirely on doing the dirty work that westerners can't do due to environmental standards actually existing in 1st world nations.

Also my comment about germany had more to do with their treatment of belgian citizens during ww1, which the allied powers propagandized to good effect as a way to turn people against the central powers during the beginning of the great war.

 

[murdered meat bag]

I know at one point we could have boots on the ground anywhere in the world in 24 hours and within 72 we could have major assets moving in and well supplied.

our ranger regiment and marines are still capable of it. there's concern from the wargaming think tanks that our military as a whole isnt prepared for a landwar. what SOF did in the middle east isnt really going to work in a war against china and russia. ive heard sailors say the new crop of sailors arent up to snuff like they were in the early 2000s. i know the seals and PJs are worried the new female friendly standards are going to bring down their branches as well. its a grab bag and we wont know how itll play out until it does. i know we won iraq but vietnam and korea are a standout. i know the seals had rough go in bosnia. or rather they thought arabs were a picnic compared to serbs.

china has shit equipment (that picture of the chinese manpad glowing red after firing lol) but that doesnt mean they wont improve them after real world use. those shitty manpads work too, since theyve shot down planes in iraq and syria.

 

[Socrates]

our ranger regiment and marines are still capable of it. there's concern from the wargaming think tanks that our military as a whole isnt prepared for a landwar. what SOF did in the middle east isnt really going to work in a war against china and russia. ive heard sailors say the new crop of sailors arent up to snuff like they were in the early 2000s. i know the seals and PJs are worried the new female friendly standards are going to bring down their branches as well. its a grab bag and we wont know how itll play out until it does. i know we won iraq but vietnam and korea are a standout. i know the seals had rough go in bosnia. or rather they thought arabs were a picnic compared to serbs.

china has shit equipment (that picture of the chinese manpad glowing red after firing lol) but that doesnt mean they wont improve them after real world use. those shitty manpads work too, since theyve shot down planes in iraq and syria.

Have a friend currently on deployment in the Navy. If what he's been telling me is even a little bit true we are fucked if we ever come up against a modernized military. Not that I believe it will happen, modern wars between nuclear powers happen through proxy wars in resource rich underdeveloped shit hole nations and glownigger fuckery.

 

[More AWS-8Q Than You]

our ranger regiment and marines are still capable of it. there's concern from the wargaming think tanks that our military as a whole isnt prepared for a landwar. what SOF did in the middle east isnt really going to work in a war against china and russia. ive heard sailors say the new crop of sailors arent up to snuff like they were in the early 2000s. i know the seals and PJs are worried the new female friendly standards are going to bring down their branches as well. its a grab bag and we wont know how itll play out until it does. i know we won iraq but vietnam and korea are a standout. i know the seals had rough go in bosnia. or rather they thought arabs were a picnic compared to serbs.

I wouldn't doubt. I know 7th Fleet is a shitshow but I don't know if that'll improve given the shit going on in the military at the moment. Just not sure how the SEAL are going to go from Jocko Willink to women without massive issues and hurting the PJs sounds like a bad idea in general, given what they usually do. I think people look at all the Slavs like they're drunk, semi-literate Russian conscripts and a lot of them aren't, especially the Balkans ones. Some of those guys have seen some shit, and I generally feel like ever getting involved in Bosnia was a huge mistake. There's no good guys in the Balkans.

china has shit equipment (that picture of the chinese manpad glowing red after firing lol) but that doesnt mean they wont improve them after real world use. those shitty manpads work too, since theyve shot down planes in iraq and syria.

It works, although consistency and reliability are always questions. It's more that their doctrine has never been real world tested, but if they want to play the regional power game, they're going to have to actually fight at some point, whether their fragile Han egos can take it or not.

 

[>tfw no Asian gf]

All this talk about China makes me wish for the return or the Eight Nation Alliance, come on, let's bring all the lads back together.

 

[Sithis]

Gotta give China credit, they have managed to position themselves in a similar fashion to nazi germany just before WW2, but without as much retarded announcement and broadcast of their plans to the world to invade elsewhere for living space for china.

History is repeating itself here, mark my words. And anyone who thinks China's human rights abuses will be what gets other militaries involved, wasn't paying attention in the last few millennia. No one will do shit until China launches a military action against a country that the big powers actually give a damn about.

The question, since this is a Biden thread after all, is how Biden will react once China finally makes their move. The pieces are all in place, they have an expanding military with millions of troops, they have nearby territories they've already saber rattled the international community to weariness over, hell just recently they removed the birth policy and opened the flood gates for a population boom. They're obviously planning for all those newly born chinese people to go somewhere.

As an American I feel like our concern is that with our current leadership we have all the worst elements of such hall of famers as Carter and Wilson. Biden has no real spine of his own to handle military actions, even Barry recognized that when he was VP, and when Biden does get involved he does stupid shit like blabs about a covert strike unit conducting a technically illegal night time raid in a sovereign nation to kill bin laden. Even if I wasn't convinced he was already paid for by interests aligned with the Chinese government, I'd feel nothing but dread knowing that we have a wet sock in terms of wartime command.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Biden's military budgets aren't the best.

After 20 years of fighting, the US military needs a couple years to stand down and refit. Ammo bunkers need reloaded, training needs to be updated, equipment needs replaced.

Not to mention the Navy needs some serious love instead of shitty F-22 and F-35 spending.

But it ain't gonna happen. During a time when we're going to need a strong hand with the military, we've got Democrats, who look at the military as a drain on their public projects and gibs programs.

 

[AnotherPleb]

Biden's military budgets aren't the best.

After 20 years of fighting, the US military needs a couple years to stand down and refit. Ammo bunkers need reloaded, training needs to be updated, equipment needs replaced.

Not to mention the Navy needs some serious love instead of shitty F-22 and F-35 spending.

But it ain't gonna happen. During a time when we're going to need a strong hand with the military, we've got Democrats, who look at the military as a drain on their public projects and gibs programs.

Why would he work to refit the military when he can use it for pet projects? DNC hates the military more than anything else besides a blue dog, and that's saying something.

 

[Socrates]

Democrats, who look at the military as a drain on their public projects and gibs programs.

You say this as if they hadn't spent 2008-2016 turning the military into a welfare program on steroids.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Biden's military budgets aren't the best.

After 20 years of fighting, the US military needs a couple years to stand down and refit. Ammo bunkers need reloaded, training needs to be updated, equipment needs replaced.

Not to mention the Navy needs some serious love instead of shitty F-22 and F-35 spending.

But it ain't gonna happen. During a time when we're going to need a strong hand with the military, we've got Democrats, who look at the military as a drain on their public projects and gibs programs.

The shitty part about all the F-35 spending is that a lot of aeronautic engineers knew it was a bad idea from the beginning. The concept serves no purpose other than being the best looking aircraft ever to people that know basically nothing about war fighting aircraft (congress).

Think of it like you're designing a car. Your 3 major options are making a race car, making a daily driver, or making a rugged off road vehicle. Instead of picking one, you promise your investors that you can make a vehicle that does all 3 with maximum effectiveness, knowing that it isn't going to turn out like that. The F-35 was supposed to be close air support, a dog fighter, and a bomber, none of which it is able to do well. It's too sluggish and unresponsive to be a fighter. Russian and Chinese aircraft from the 80s can smoke a F-35 in a fight. It can't stay in the air long enough or carry a big enough gun to do close air support, so you're refueling while your infantry is trying to call in an air strike. And as a bomber? Surprise! It can't carry enough weight or fly high enough to be an effective bomber, to the point where it's worse than other aircraft that weren't even designed to be a bomber. It's also supposed to replace like 4 current aircraft that have specialized jobs and do them very well (AV8B Harrier, A-10 Warthog, F-16/F-1. Not only is it shit, but it's extremely expensive and oppressively obnoxious to repair. Any time airframes removes a panel, the aircraft is down for 24 hours so the special sealant used on all the panels can properly dry. Compare that to a Harrier where 6-7 panels are removed and replaced every day just for basic scheduled inspections.

The F-22 is the Air Force, and their budget is separate from the Navy. While it's also super expensive, as I understand it, it's pretty decent at what it does. I don't know any F-22 pilots or mechanics so I can't say much.

 

[ForTheHoard]

You say this as if they hadn't spent 2008-2016 turning the military into a welfare program on steroids.

Sorry if this double posts. I can't figure out how to edit in a quote. That money went to contractors and to line bureaucratic pockets. The average soldier had their pay increase frozen for the first time in over a decade and changed the military food contract to lowest bidder Sodexo (the worst prison/high school cafeteria food) under Obama. The Clintons also have an extremely colored and documented history of hating and being hated by the military. Not to mention a lot of the DNC heads came from the hippy/civil rights movement that made a habit out of spitting on Vietnam veterans when they got home. That's why I always cringe when the left calls someone a draft dodger.