Careercow Robert Chipman / Bob / Moviebob / "Movieblob" - Middle-Aged Consoomer, CWC with a Thesaurus, Ardent Male Feminist and Superior Futurist, the Twice-Fired, the Mario-Worshipper, publicly dismantled by Hot Dog Girl, now a diabetic

[Quixotic Man]

Has Bob considered that people like Robert Downey Jr and Chris Evans want to move on from capeshit? The actors don't have the same obsessive love for the franchise that fanboys do, and pallets of money sometimes aren't enough to make people sign another 10 year contract.

 

[Bolo]

manga also doesn't seem like it's made in a factory.....and that came out stupidly wrong. Let me rephase: the mangaka seems to know his art, structure, story to tell etc (AOT nonwhithstanding). DBZ ended; Bleach Ended; Naruto Ended (in a way); One Piece will end (shame about Berserk tho). It may take decades but there is an end.

Superman will NEVER end. It will be a corpse dragged forever. Also, the consumer instinctively knows when there is a person behind the work. Even the moeshit has a human behind it all. Nowadays comics, cartoons, movies feel like they have been made in a conveyor belt (which Bob loves, of course).

There was a copypasta from /co/ about Bauhauss art infecting all stages of the creative process so the soul of the piece is completely sucked out. Only people lacking a soul enjoy soulless art.

What about detective Conan?

Jokes aside, in terms of comics, you could have long lasting characters and stories that spam decades and still be top sellers.

This book for example, is about to sell 5 million copies:

And it ain't just Asterix from the bande dessiné that is still going strong, characters like Lucky Luke and Spirou are still being published in big numbers, and they don't have hollywood to keep them relevant. Spirou, BTW, is as old as Superman.

There is a crucial difference though, continuity. While there are introduced and recurring characters in Asterix, each of the books are very self-contained, you start at the Gaul village, you get an Asterix Adventure, and you end with a fest in the Gaul village, and that has been going for over 60 years.

And that is the thing about capeshit, their biggest quality is the very same thing that made them lose readers, the on goign universe continuity. Say what you will about marvel and DC, nothing comes close tho those two in terms of scope of characters and intertwined stories that spam over decades, but those come with a price, convoluted stories and diminishing returns in terms of stakes and drama.

Right now there are talks about Marvel killing off Peter Parker, and people can't even bother to even roll their eyes anymore. The problem with ever scalating, universe ending, character dieing-ressurecting plots is that, you run out of steam and right now Marvel and DC have a serious problem that their characters have been dulled out because of age and the attrition that comes from never ending but ever escalating stories.

In simple terms, you never gonna see Asterix and Obelix saving France from the blue laser from the sky, neither you gonna see one of them die, each of the Asterix book, like I said, is just the two of them going in a Adventure, but the strenght of these books lies in the charm of the characters, not the escalating "drama", deaths and ressurections, marriages and such.

Now, to be fair, DC is aware of this problem, and does release books of their characters just going on superhero adventuires, like "Superman man of tomorrow", and they are fun books, but nobody knows about it because it has been burried over a dozen of other Superman titles that also came out at the same time.

And that is the other strength that Bande Dessiné and mangas have over capeshit, concise titles. there aren't Asterix spin off like "Obelix and friends", and in manga it is very rare to see that either, just for mega super popular titles, and even then, it is always clear which is the main series. Capeshit you can't tell what the fuck is going on anymore, more so with marvel spamming event comics left and right.

But the biggest conundrum that capeshit comic have is the following: they want to craft big stories about heroes going on these transformational growing journeys and saving the world from catastrophe... but they can't afford to change their big iconic characters so they can still keep selling t-shirts, that is why no one stays fucking dead on capeshit and Peter Parker is STILL learning the powers and responsability lesson.

And this shit is starting to rear it's head on the MCU, Vision just came back, seems like Steve Rogers is also coming back and when Iron hear rolls out, I doubt Disney won't pay RDJ his weight in gold so just he can record some voices for the Stark AI Riri uses. But once it gets stablished that death doesn't matter, soon nothing else will matter, drama will become muddled and soon apathia will settle in, just as it is in the comics right now.

People will still buy the captain America shield t-shirt, but the stories and characters in comics and movies will be met with indifference, because the attriction of wanting the big drama, but being unable to act change upon it will just dull the audience and in the there will only be a unimpassioned and unremarkable product, like the capeshit comics are right now.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

What about detective Conan?

Jokes aside, in terms of comics, you could have long lasting characters and stories that spam decades and still be top sellers.

This book for example, is about to sell 5 million copies:

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And it ain't just Asterix from the bande dessiné that is still going strong, characters like Lucky Luke and Spirou are still being published in big numbers, and they don't have hollywood to keep them relevant. Spirou, BTW, is as old as Superman.

There is a crucial difference though, continuity. While there are introduced and recurring characters in Asterix, each of the books are very self-contained, you start at the Gaul village, you get an Asterix Adventure, and you end with a fest in the Gaul village, and that has been going for over 60 years.

And that is the thing about capeshit, their biggest quality is the very same thing that made them lose readers, the on goign universe continuity. Say what you will about marvel and DC, nothing comes close tho those two in terms of scope of characters and intertwined stories that spam over decades, but those come with a price, convoluted stories and diminishing returns in terms of stakes and drama.

Right now there are talks about Marvel killing off Peter Parker, and people can't even bother to even roll their eyes anymore. The problem with ever scalating, universe ending, character dieing-ressurecting plots is that, you run out of steam and right now Marvel and DC have a serious problem that their characters have been dulled out because of age and the attrition that comes from never ending but ever escalating stories.

In simple terms, you never gonna see Asterix and Obelix saving France from the blue laser from the sky, neither you gonna see one of them die, each of the Asterix book, like I said, is just the two of them going in a Adventure, but the strenght of these books lies in the charm of the characters, not the escalating "drama", deaths and ressurections, marriages and such.

Now, to be fair, DC is aware of this problem, and does release books of their characters just going on superhero adventuires, like "Superman man of tomorrow", and they are fun books, but nobody knows about it because it has been burried over a dozen of other Superman titles that also came out at the same time.

And that is the other strength that Bande Dessiné and mangas have over capeshit, concise titles. there aren't Asterix spin off like "Obelix and friends", and in manga it is very rare to see that either, just for mega super popular titles, and even then, it is always clear which is the main series. Capeshit you can't tell what the fuck is going on anymore, more so with marvel spamming event comics left and right.

But the biggest conundrum that capeshit comic is the following: they want to craft big stories about heroes going on these transformational growing journeys and saving the world from catastrophe... but they can't afford to change their big iconic characters so they can still keep selling t-shirts, that is why no one stays fucking dead on capeshit and Peter Parker is STILL learning the powers and responsability lesson.

And this shit is starting to rear it's head on the MCU, Vision just came back, seems like Steve Rogers is also coming back and when Iron hear rolls out, I doubt Disney won't pay RDJ his weight in gold so just he can record some voices for the Stark AI Riri uses. But once it gets stablished that death doesn't matter, soon nothing else will matter, drama will become muddled and soon apathia will settle in, just as it is in the comics right now.

People will still buy the captain America shield t-shirt, but the stories and characters in comics and movies will be met with indifference, because the attriction of wanting the big drama, but being unable to act change upon it will just dull the audience and in the there will only be a unimpassioned and unremarkable product, like the capeshit comics are right now.

Asterix was always fun as hell.

My problem with capeshit is that it all got really fucked at the start of the 2010s and hasn't recovered since. I don't know why both companies decided to repeatedly shit the bed for a decade, fuck with the long term fans, and then choke out every scintilla of hope.

I fucking miss events like Blackest Night or World War Hulk or even Final Crisis because, as cheesy and comic-booky as they were, there was some genuine heart and soul to them that made me want to read them. You had the connecting history of these universes, the legacies, and all the fun stuff going on.

Yes, I consider Final Crisis to be silly fun because DC editorial didn't fully strangle Morrison's fun ideas from that event.

in the past decade, there's been glimpses of a return to this fun but it's been ruined by external factors besides the SJW bullshit. You've had the Disney-Fox shitcanning, the n52, dan didio's idiocy, and quite a few other things.

Like man I may not really like geoff johns and jim lee being creative control at DC, but I highly prefer them to dangerhairs or retards.


Anyways there's a ton of great comics from all over the world. I'm a fan of manga/manhua/manwha in general. And that's going beyond your typical shonen jump stuff too.

Solo Levelling, The Legend of the Northern Blade, Maruimashita Iruma-Kun, etc. There's plenty of fun comics out there these days. I don't care about activism enough to warrant buying the shilled american stuff at all.

also the last 3 fun marvel comics things were:

Secret Wars from 2015, the entire Jason Aaron run of Thor, and the recent Venom/Knull event. I'd consider Secret Empire to also be very fun, in a weird way.

Civil War II was weird, but I'll give them that it's solidified Carol Danvers as a character that's less of a superhero and more of a super-military officer. Also, a hubris filled idiot.

as for DC? Idk man I liked the dark multiverse stuff but it felt like it was overstayed. The batman who laughs is a fun character that just got pushed to the nth level. At least there was that genuinely "what the fuck" comic book charm there.

Also convergence was decent fun. Shame blobbo probably wishes lian harper wasn't resurrected just to prove some bullshit twittterati point.

 

[RockVolnutt]

manga also doesn't seem like it's made in a factory.....and that came out stupidly wrong. Let me rephase: the mangaka seems to know his art, structure, story to tell etc (AOT nonwhithstanding). DBZ ended; Bleach Ended; Naruto Ended (in a way); One Piece will end (shame about Berserk tho). It may take decades but there is an end.

Superman will NEVER end. It will be a corpse dragged forever. Also, the consumer instinctively knows when there is a person behind the work. Even the moeshit has a human behind it all. Nowadays comics, cartoons, movies feel like they have been made in a conveyor belt (which Bob loves, of course).

There was a copypasta from /co/ about Bauhauss art infecting all stages of the creative process so the soul of the piece is completely sucked out. Only people lacking a soul enjoy soulless art.

Counter point: Most Shonen heavily wear their influences from both Dragon Ball and the big three of Naruto/Bleach/One Piece. While Shonen isn't all manga, neither is capeshit all western comics. It's a common talking point but doesn't check out.

I can make a vague description which could match 40 series about a plucky teenager with the potential to be the world's strongest who hangs around an dark rival and a token girl while learning under an organization of super people. Will certainly have a transformation or a few and there will be heavy use coming into adulthood as a theme. Not to undersell manga writers as I do keep up with a bunch but there's certainly a shonen formula.

You picked bad examples since as much as everybody wishes they'd be over, we're still getting more and more Dragon Ball and Bleach. Their original series have concluded but we're still getting new material either way.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

You know, it's funny how Bob acts like an authority on superhero comics, because he doesn't even give a fuck about the medium of comics.

He doesn't care that the American comics industry continues to flounder. He doesn't care about the current state of Marvel comics, because in his mind the MCU has supplanted them. All they're good for to Bob anymore is to test out ideas for future MCU movies.

Ya Boi Zach talks about this all the time. About how he reads so many comics now that seem like they're just a kind of visual pitch reel for a Netflix show or something.

Even many of the people writing comics don't give a fuck about comics. They want that Netflix deal.

And you know that if a Nintendo Cinematic Universe ever took off, it would be the same deal to Bob.

Bob would look at every new idea or character in every new game and be like, "Yeah, okay, but how will they use this in the movies?"

Any pretense that Bob still gave a fuck about video games beyond his childhood Mario 3 nostalgia would go right out the door.

 

[Captain Syrup]

manga also doesn't seem like it's made in a factory. Superman will NEVER end. It will be a corpse dragged forever.

You know it's bad when you find yourself agreeing with Kevin Smith (of all people) that DC characters need to die for the good of the industry.

What about detective Conan?

ME: commits perfect crime
*Conan theme plays*
ME: Why do I hear boss music?

 

[Bolo]

Counter point: Most Shonen heavily wear their influences from both Dragon Ball and the big three of Naruto/Bleach/One Piece. While Shonen isn't all manga, neither is capeshit all western comics. It's a common talking point but doesn't check out.

I can make a vague description which could match 40 series about a plucky teenager with the potential to be the world's strongest who hangs around an dark rival and a token girl while learning under an organization of super people. Will certainly have a transformation or a few and there will be heavy use coming into adulthood as a theme. Not to undersell manga writers as I do keep up with a bunch but there's certainly a shonen formula.

You picked bad examples since as much as everybody wishes they'd be over, we're still getting more and more Dragon Ball and Bleach. Their original series have concluded but we're still getting new material either way.

I would agree that in essence every big shonen manga is cut from the same cloth and you are reading pretty much the same story.

However, you have a big difference that is crucial and that is generation renewal.

One Piece is over 20 years and still going strong, but at the same mangazine where you find One Piece, a new generation of readers could latch on Demon Slayer.

That is the brillance of the Anthology/Tankobon system manga has going for it. In the same magazine a reader could find a 20 year old story that could be very hard for new readers to sink in, but in a turn of page they will find a new story, even if using the same plot devices and character archetypes as the 20 year old title uses, but for the new readers that would be mind blowing, that new story will be the one they follow, thus supporting the Tankobon (the solo books), which in turn get to be animes, videogames, pachinko machines, etc.

That is why I used the world "renewal", making the "old" new again, and again and again.

And to cut some slack to capeshit, they've tried to make new heroes again again and again, problem is those are new characters in a old story, more so when you just get rid of the old, iconic hero, to make a new one take it's place, it doesn't work like that, and that is one of the reasons why capeshit is just stuck with a bunch of 40 year old fat losers

 

[Meat Target]

Nintendo Cinematic Universe

Don't give them any ideas. The world is already irreversibly flooded with terminal autism.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

as for DC? Idk man I liked the dark multiverse stuff but it felt like it was overstayed. The batman who laughs is a fun character that just got pushed to the nth level. At least there was that genuinely "what the fuck" comic book charm there.

The first METAL was legitimately a basic story with little else beyond "what if Batman but evil times a thousand" and then it had a small background hook to reintroduce Hawkman. DEATH METAL was a story based entirely on an unnecessary explanation for how they were going to smooth the edges off a series of reboots for the universe which somebody then wrote a framing story for Wonder Woman and Wally West around with the whole thing being tied into a not so great 40 issue backstory in Justice League you had to read to fully get. The first one sprawled all over the place eventually because it turned out to be a great idea and everyone wanted in, including Morrison. The second one sprawled by design to be an "epic" but never quite made it as an event.

Then compare both to something like Doomsday Clock which was supposed to be a Watchmen level game changer but turns out to be beyond boring plus took Geoff Johns like six years to write once it started.

Even if I am glad they all combined to bring back the JSA. Not that I expect that to go anywhere, it at least undoes some of the last vestiges of the New 52 era DC's worst crimes to the legacy stuff.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

I think that one way the comic industry could better itself is by releasing more limited series with their characters, that way instead of having to explain the concept of "runs" to people before recommending them like a hundred back issues they'd have to collect, you just say something like "Oh, you should check out Batman: The Long Halloween!"

 

[CharlesBarkley]

I think that one way the comic industry could better itself is by releasing more limited series with their characters, that way instead of having to explain the concept of "runs" to people before recommending them like a hundred back issues they'd have to collect, you just say something like "Oh, you should check out Batman: The Long Halloween!"

I think the best way to the comic industry could better itself is to quit relying on faux-progressive hail marys to spice up their insanely gay storylines. "Let's make another black widow, but this time she is also black and in a wheelchair and gay." Like, maybe the problem isn't the lack of diversity, but instead the crippling writing and garbage stories where nothing has consequences because there are like ten million fucking universes or whatever retarded thing is going on with Marvel and so many characters that it's legit impossible to keep track now.

"Oh no, guys! In-universe X-130 Iron Man killed Captain America with a laser beam and Asbestos Lady has risen from the grave. Oh no!" - Like, who gives a shit?

 

[The Valeyard]

And you know that if a Nintendo Cinematic Universe ever took off, it would be the same deal to Bob.

Bob would look at every new idea or character in every new game and be like, "Yeah, okay, but how will they use this in the movies?"

Any pretense that Bob still gave a fuck about video games beyond his childhood Mario 3 nostalgia would go right out the door.

Wasn’t Bob recently trying to convince himself that Sing was a good movie when the trailer for Sing 2 was released? The reason being that Illumination is the animation studio doing the new Super Mario Bros. movie,

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

Wasn’t Bob recently trying to convince himself that Sing was a good movie when the trailer for Sing 2 was released? The reason being that Illumination is the animation studio doing the new Super Mario Bros. movie,

IDK. I haven't seen Sing, but it's hard to think of a movie that looks less appealing to me.

 

[The Valeyard]

IDK. I haven't seen Sing, but it's hard to think of a movie that looks less appealing to me.

The sequel looks even worse. It has fucking Bono in it.

 

[Woe-B-Gon (TM)]

His desire for immortality is really weird. A much more mature desire would be to travel through time and fix his life here and there.

A desire to fix his past might require he admit he was wrong at some point. Unless he just wants to back to kill Hitler, Schoolyard Hitlers 1-10, Employer Hitlers 1-4, Internet Hitlers 1-100000....

Estimated odds he noticed the mistake in the image before uploading it: 0%.

 

[RockVolnutt]

I would agree that in essence every big shonen manga is cut from the same cloth and you are reading pretty much the same story.

However, you have a big difference that is crucial and that is generation renewal.

One Piece is over 20 years and still going strong, but at the same mangazine where you find One Piece, a new generation of readers could latch on Demon Slayer.

That is the brillance of the Anthology/Tankobon system manga has going for it. In the same magazine a reader could find a 20 year old story that could be very hard for new readers to sink in, but in a turn of page they will find a new story, even if using the same plot devices and character archetypes as the 20 year old title uses, but for the new readers that would be mind blowing, that new story will be the one they follow, thus supporting the Tankobon (the solo books), which in turn get to be animes, videogames, pachinko machines, etc.

That is why I used the world "renewal", making the "old" new again, and again and again.

And to cut some slack to capeshit, they've tried to make new heroes again again and again, problem is those are new characters in a old story, more so when you just get rid of the old, iconic hero, to make a new one take it's place, it doesn't work like that, and that is one of the reasons why capeshit is just stuck with a bunch of 40 year old fat losers

That's a fair argument worth thinking about. I'm hopefully not coming off as some weirdo batting for American stuff, it's more I think westerners tend to mystify the manga industry a bit much. It's in black & white on cheap paper because it's meant to be disposable stuff you read on a train ride before throwing out and you have tons of guys putting their bodies through hell to get them out on a weekly basis.

Usually the argument comes off as "haha, my titty comic beats out the dumb SJWs" which is highly juvenile if they lack a frame of reference and silly since it usually comes up somewhere near a MCU discussion which is evidence enough why people shouldn't equate popularity with writing quality. Ideas should face their counter argument to strengthen them.

 

[Captain Syrup]

IDK. I haven't seen Sing, but it's hard to think of a movie that looks less appealing to me.

It's alright.

Seth McFarlane steals the movie. He plays a Rat Packer mouse.

 

[Gaear Grimsrud]

It's okay. Seth McFarlane stole the show as a Rat Packer mouse.

Is there even a plot to that movie? All I remember from the trailer was animals on stage singing.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Is there even a plot to that movie? All I remember from the trailer was animals on stage singing.

Baby's First Producers.

The show is a giant pyramid scheme. A cash prize (which doesn't exist) is offered to attract singers for a venue.

 

[Bolo]

That's a fair argument worth thinking about. I'm hopefully not coming off as some weirdo batting for American stuff, it's more I think westerners tend to mystify the manga industry a bit much. It's in black & white on cheap paper because it's meant to be disposable stuff you read on a train ride before throwing out and you have tons of guys putting their bodies through hell to get them out on a weekly basis.

Usually the argument comes off as "haha, my titty comic beats out the dumb SJWs" which is highly juvenile if they lack a frame of reference and silly since it usually comes up somewhere near a MCU discussion which is evidence enough why people shouldn't equate popularity with writing quality. Ideas should face their counter argument to strengthen them.

Nah, my argument was just to try and explain on why manga right now is being able to reach a larger audience than the capeshit comics. I like manga alright, but I'm not one to sing high praises of their stories, more so their main stream titles.

And I now there is a lot of praise of manga in order to "own the SJW", but I ain't about that life, and I'm not gonna kiss japanese ass for that either.

And as far as batting for western/American comic, hell, I'll do it, I love american comics, this is one favorie of current reads:

Arthurian Legends that come to life in a macabre way, likeable characters and a grandma/Grandson dynamic that is really fun. This title kicks ass.

And I could go on on American comics that are great both in writting and art, like Ultramega by James Warren.

The tradgedy of American comics is how their sucess is linked to capeshit, distribution and retail need capshit to survive, and other Western comics get overshadowed by coverage and exposition because of capeshit.

Someone quoted here quoted Kevin Smith as saying that the DC heroes need to die for the good of the industry, and he isn't wrong, capshit comics is a Whale carcass that taking too much space and not letting people into the water.

That is not to say we get rid of superheroes, that would be idiotic, but western comics do need a way to reach a new generation of readers, and I don't have an awnser for that, but maybe the downsize of capeshit and a strong push for new stories and grow audiences from the ground up, not use the Marvel/DC brand to just push popularity down people's throat (looking at you Miss Marvel) can at least put things back on track...