Money September 2, 2015: Chris moves to Etsy, suggests "donating to book #11 and beyond"

[Marvin]

I hate saying people deserve [bad thing] to happen to them, but being taken advantage of financially financially by Chris takes some next-level .
None of his products are for usage, they're fun mementos of an internet weirdo,the art equivalent of a street bum washing your windshield with a dirty rag at stoplights. If you give him money it's basically a charity and your reward is the warm feeling you get for supporting him.

On ebay, with the medallions, for example, you can make specific requests to Chris about what you want to make, and that includes quality. There's obviously a big difference between a good Chris comic and a bad Chris comic. This doesn't have anything to do with the technical quality of Chris' drawing skills, either. A good Chris comic is very dense with Chris' crazy sperging. If you negotiate your request with Chris properly, you can certainly demand he produce a good comic. Not just some random crap slapped down on a page.

Originally, before Chris' sales really took off, I was planning to do something like that. I was going to collect money and negotiate paying Chris for a big project. I was going to use someone like Watermelon or Kengle to be the escrow. If Chris' comic wasn't good enough, he wouldn't get the money. (I'd stick to my word, of course. If Chris really put in the effort, and Kengle/whoever agreed, I'd send the money.)

Of course, Chris started selling on his own, and was very successful at it. So that kind of fucked up my plan.

Edit: Well, to clarify, I think you're probably right, in practice, that donating to Chris without negotiating to him first is essentially charity. But I don't think that buying with Chris has to be that way. That's just a deficiency on the part of how ebay is setup. It makes it harder to negotiate personal deals.

While I think that trolls fucking with the comic were the best parts of Sonichu, I think that the comic can still be delightfully bizarre even if happy, content Chris is writing it. Date Ed had nothing to do with attacking trolls and it still managed to be one of the more insane comics. Moreover, Chris's persecution complex is so intense that he's able to conjure a whole host of stressors and enemies from thin air. If Chris needs new enemies to fight, he'll find them.

The biggest worry is that Chris will write more Sonichu comics that are like the pre-Wes Iseli comics. That is, they'd be cliched cartoon adventures with no hints of the inner madness of our auteur. If Sonichu is more about, say, lesbian-Souled Chris and his LGBT hedgehog pals fighting off the hordes of brute males who want to rape nubile women, that'd definitely be worth reading and even paying for.

I think you overestimate how common Date Ed-esque comics are, and underestimate how strong Chris' drive to shit out cartoon cliches is. Chris really dislikes the adult influences in Sonichu. He really feels tricked for putting them in there, so he's very afraid of making that mistake again.

 

[Gothicserpent]

Anyone else getting a bit bored of Chris?

 

[Moon Man]

This is a red herring so we stop paying attention to his ebay activity

 

[jc17]

You know, he could have made the donation thing work had he been more humble about it, "Donate if you can, 1 dollar, 5 dollars, 10, anything helps." But 10 dollars per page and multiple fans have to donate to get something they have no idea what it will be about or even when the thing is released... MAYBE if he promises to send the finished pages to the buyers, but this is just petty, "Want my comic? Pay up, loyal fans." All that for traced images, designs that change proportions every 2 panels and walls of text that take up half the page... No thanks.

 

[Trilby]

I think you overestimate how common Date Ed-esque comics are, and underestimate how strong Chris' drive to shit out cartoon cliches is. Chris really dislikes the adult influences in Sonichu. He really feels tricked for putting them in there, so he's very afraid of making that mistake again.

He wants his TV-Y7 back.

 

[General Juicer]

I think you overestimate how common Date Ed-esque comics are, and underestimate how strong Chris' drive to shit out cartoon cliches is. Chris really dislikes the adult influences in Sonichu. He really feels tricked for putting them in there, so he's very afraid of making that mistake again.

Then I think that both Chris and the fanbase is in for a very rude surprise on the slight chance that Sonichu ever gets revived.

Chris showing us his blinkered perspective on reality through the filter of comic strips? Funny.
Chris getting victory over his enemies through the use of comic strips? Very funny.
Chris wrecking the tone of his comics by having his heroes being tendentious mass murderers? Also funny.
Chris wrecking the tone of his comics with wildly inappropriate sexual content? Still funny.
Chris rehashing the insipid 'plots' every Baby Boomer, Gen Joneser, Gen Xer, Millenial, and Gen Zer has seen a hundred times without any of the above? Why the fuck is he even bothering?

 

[kuri]

For some reason I feel that some of you have/will pay for his shit.

He has to be selling a profitable amount, and that's including his.. *ehrm* labor.

I really hope that no one here will pay for his shit.

 

[Le Bateleur]

Then I think that both Chris and the fanbase is in for a very rude surprise on the slight chance that Sonichu ever gets revived.

Chris showing us his blinkered perspective on reality through the filter of comic strips? Funny.
Chris getting victory over his enemies through the use of comic strips? Very funny.
Chris wrecking the tone of his comics by having his heroes being tendentious mass murderers? Also funny.
Chris wrecking the tone of his comics with wildly inappropriate sexual content? Still funny.
Chris rehashing the insipid 'plots' every Baby Boomer, Gen Joneser, Gen Xer, Millenial, and Gen Zer has seen a hundred times without any of the above? Why the fuck is he even bothering?

Thing is, though - while your points may be objectively true - Chris's online following has grown so adept at projecting onto everything he does that none of that matters.

Chris could put out a page that was literally just the "why did the chicken cross the road? to get to the other side" joke, and there'd be a 20-page thread here full of people interpreting this in a multitude of hysterical ways.

"Chris wants to get to the other side of gender and be a TRUE AND HONEST woman so he can get China. Mmm yeah."
"Oh Stinky Winky, you want your trolls to be as powerless as a chicken so you can STRANGLE THAT CLYDE CASH, don't you?"
"Chickens lay eggs but you never will, Fatty!"
"The chicken is Barb and the road is Chris and he wants to have sex with her."

"What if Chris were a chicken?"

 

[AnOminous]

For some reason I feel that some of you have/will pay for his shit.

He has to be selling a profitable amount, and that's including his.. *ehrm* labor.

I really hope that no one here will pay for his shit.

I would agree with that, but after all this every thread, I now hope people buy shit from Chris just to see more salt about it.

I personally won't ever give a dime to him. But I find it hilarious how mad some people get that Chris gets so much as a penny from anyone, ever, for anything.

 

[Handsome Pete]

Thing is, though - while your points may be objectively true - Chris's online following has grown so adept at projecting onto everything he does that none of that matters.

Chris could put out a page that was literally just the "why did the chicken cross the road? to get to the other side" joke, and there'd be a 20-page thread here full of people interpreting this in a multitude of hysterical ways.

"Chris wants to get to the other side of gender and be a TRUE AND HONEST woman so he can get China. Mmm yeah."
"Oh Stinky Winky, you want your trolls to be as powerless as a chicken so you can STRANGLE THAT CLYDE CASH, don't you?"
"Chickens lay eggs but you never will, Fatty!"
"The chicken is Barb and the road is Chris and he wants to have sex with her."

"What if Chris were a chicken?"

"The reason he likes corny chicken jokes is because his parents were old."
"Y'know, that joke is actually about death and that proves he's depressed and suicidal."
"I'll bet Kengle fucked a rotisserie chicken after he read this."

This is more fun than it has any right to be. As such, I will not be donating to Chris unless his new comics include a chicken crossing the road.

 

[Marvin]

Thing is, though - while your points may be objectively true - Chris's online following has grown so adept at projecting onto everything he does that none of that matters.

Chris could put out a page that was literally just the "why did the chicken cross the road? to get to the other side" joke, and there'd be a 20-page thread here full of people interpreting this in a multitude of hysterical ways.

"Chris wants to get to the other side of gender and be a TRUE AND HONEST woman so he can get China. Mmm yeah."
"Oh Stinky Winky, you want your trolls to be as powerless as a chicken so you can STRANGLE THAT CLYDE CASH, don't you?"
"Chickens lay eggs but you never will, Fatty!"
"The chicken is Barb and the road is Chris and he wants to have sex with her."

"What if Chris were a chicken?"

I don't know if that would last long term. Like, yeah, there'll be a fifteen page thread on Chris' notion of "spicy" once in awhile, but then there are lots of other genuinely weird ass things that Chris does that make up for the spicy wing threads.

Now, if Chris went radio silent, there'd be occasional spicy wing threads for a time, but I think most people would wander off.

 

[Le Bateleur]

"I'll bet Kengle fucked a rotisserie chicken after he read this."

Spookily accurate. I can even picture who specifically would post that. As such, I too am against people funding Chris because clearly psychic powers are now involved.

 

[Dr. Tremolo]

I genuinely can't understand posting "don't give Chris money". You're coming off as one of:
*A moralfag
*Jealous
*"Stop liking when I don't like"

No good looks in that list.

It's cool man, I'm not saying no one should give Chris money, only it's incredibly stupid to do so and anyone paying gets exactly what they can expect from Chris.
You're only on my hitlist currently for implying that Chris could handle the art of stopmotion animation.

 

[Le Bateleur]

It's cool man, I'm not saying no one should give Chris money, only it's incredibly stupid to do so and anyone paying gets exactly what they can expect from Chris.
You're only on my hitlist currently for implying that Chris could handle the art of stopmotion animation.

Have you seen his Lego Mariokart stop-motion? It is by far the best thing he's ever created. I unironically enjoyed it.

 

[Donald Duck]

Given what we know of how piss poor the "quality" of his comics are in the past and how much lazier Chris has become, I get the feeling that if he does draw more "comics" for money, what we'll get is a comic where each page is a poorly drawn splash page of Sonichu characters doing something, or just standing there doing nothing, with no backgrounds and a GIANT wall of text describing what's going on and dialogue balloons full of cliched one liners all over the place with no indication as to who is saying what.

 

[SnergenFlergen]

I would actually think the whole crowd-funding thing was a decent idea if he had the comic completely done already, and was just releasing it page-by-page as certain milestones were met by donations.

But this is Chris we're dealing with. He clearly has no planned story arc for this, and as such he'll just make a page every now and again as donations slowly dribble in, probably in a similar vein to the sub-episodes that were based on his boring day-to-day life.

If this ever happens it will just become the 'Christine's Lesbian Wish-Fulfilment Comic (feat. Sonichu)' and at that point we'd just be paying for Chris's own self-indulgence.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

If this ever happens it will just become the 'Christine's Lesbian Wish-Fulfilment Comic (feat. Sonichu)' and at that point we'd just be paying for Chris's own self-indulgence.

Somebody already did that with the commissions, though, and it was funny as hell. Especially Robbee Sonichu tribbing with the commissioner's pink self-insert.

 

[kobebyarlant]

Anyone else getting a bit bored of Chris?

Every time he gets a bit boring he goes out and gets arrested.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Brother, does Chris realize that if people donate towards Sonichu 11, he has to deliver?

I'm not against someone making money for their work, but this is just too damn cynical. I reccomend anyone who is considering donating to read this post.

Time was that Chris would churn out hundreds of comic pages for free, because he genuinely thought his franchise was the best thing since sliced bread and thought he would make a killing from it. Now that he's demanding money on a per-page basis it's clear he's lost all faith in it because it didn't turn into the golden goose he hoped, but is going to use people's money as an incentive to sketch up a load of old bollocks anyway.

It's clear now that Chris has become more lazy than ever before but has seen an opportunity to make some money from a donation campaign that has no structure or milestones or even a target amount (unlike a Kickstarter campaign), and yet is based entirely on trust. He hasn't stated what he needs the money for, what he will put it towards in terms of improving his product, how many pages there will be per issue or even why he needs that specific amount per page (besides greed). There are also no dates or any information regarding when we will see these comic pages, so you'd be giving free money to a buffoon who'd blow it on toys and shit, then eventually get around to reluctantly squirting out a phoned-in piece of rubbish for you when you pestered him enough or when he 'felt like it'. We've seen this happen a hundred times before.

Anyone stupid enough to donate is basically throwing their money into a black hole made of Lego. This whole thing reeks of laziness; he couldn't even be bothered to draw an image promoting the funding campaign, instead recycling the first page of the abominable Christmas Special and calling it a day. This is Chris wanting to make money based on trust, and doing so by putting in the absolute bare minimum effort. Lack of effort does not inspire trust, especially where money is concerned.

Essentially, Chris is offering you the opportunity to drop ten bucks on something that has no guarantee of quality, no time scale for delivery and wont even exist until he arbitrarily feels up to making it (if that day ever comes at all). This has been mishandled right out the gate and the reason for this is simple. Chris is not a businessman. He's a child. Do not afford a child any trust with your money, especially when he has all the power and control in this deal.

People, I know as much as the next guy that it would be hilarious to see the continued retarded adventures of Chris-Tran Sonichu etc. but please don't buy into this. Make him actually work for your money.

Brother, so much this. What costs could there even be with writing Sonichu that requires "donations"? Donating money to Sonichu #11 is just enabling his lazy ass.

 

[KatsuKitty]

Our advice not to donate to Chris remains.

You're not gonna get Sonichu 11 because he's lazy. Also, doxing, etc.