Debate user cursed on incest being okay - It's okay to fuck your own parents.

[cancermonger]

the fact that a farmer doubled down and got personal just so this guy could understand that incest is bad and the guy STILL decided to stand by his take is just sad honestly. Imagine having to dismiss someone's trauma just for a shitty take on a troll website. woof.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

None of the fault is on you.

I've been told that. It's hard to think sometimes.

Although I'm glad you reached out, this isn't my pity party. This is the thread where we wreck a degenerate. I threw out my story to see how bad he really was and oh boy.

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

why does life have to be like this

 

[Gone Ham]

Incest is ok if the female can’t procreate

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

I already refuted the biology argument in the original thread. Contraceptives exist.

I provided an explanation not an argument.
I explain one of the causes for social dislike of incest, I did not make an argument as to why incest is bad.

But granted biology certainly is one of the reasons commonly brought up, so I would understand your confusion.

If I had to make a counter argument then certainly the biological argument would be the weakest. No I'd rather focus on the affects on the individuals, the effects on the family, and then on society.

There seems to be few cases of individuals partaking in incest being mentally health and well adjusted, although one can argue that to partake in incest one already had to have something wrong since incest is a natural and instinctive dislike in people (self evidently so: the vast majority of people think incest is disgusting). So it can rather admittedly be argued that people who partake in incest have a history of sexual abuse, or (as is the case with Chris-Chan) have some diminished mental capacity, and so then the argument follows that they would have been screwed up regardless. It's a bit of a chicken or the egg issue, but I do feel that incest would have in and of itself have a negative impact individuals.

I hesitate to bring up the instances of an adult having sex with their child, since here you can make the argument that it's the paedophilia what causes the most damage. I'd however bring up that it is far more traumatising for a child to be raped by a family member (which is intended to be a psychological source of familiarity, safety and stability) than it would be to be raped by a stranger.

If we look at the purpose of a family it is to raise and nurture children and prepare them to one day become independent and then to form their own family. It is fundamental to society that we produce more people (literally a society will die out otherwise), and that these people be well adjusted and capable of operating in society. This is from the parent child perspective, but given that this conversation came out of Chris-Chan possible raping his mother, I think its a fine enough aspect to focus on.

Incest would be a fundamental shift in the familial relationship and I'd argue this shift would have a negative impact on the core goal of the family. So incest can lead to the breakdown of the family, produce maladjusted individuals and if seen on a wide enough scale can lead to wider scale social issues, and this is even if we ignore things like child molestation, or elder abuse, since seems almost inseparable from incest, because again normal people don't partake in incest.

 

[MrTroll]

I really don't care what Chris does with or to Barb tbh.

 

[Solid Snek]

The dabate is about consenting people, specifically adults like in the case of Chris and Barb.

Bruh.

Like, I can see if it was your sister, and she was hot, but your 90 year old mom...?

"Consent" or not, it's your mom dude.

 

[Pukebucket]

This sounds like abuse then. I think people shouldn't conflate the idea of incest with the idea of abuse tho.
The dabate is about consenting people, specifically adults like in the case of Chris and Barb.

Steven Pladl had a "consenting" sexual relationship with his daughter Katie, who had been adopted to other people at birth and thus not raised by him personally, only to wind up murdering her adoptive parents father, my bad, Katie herself, and the incest baby they had when she tried to leave (after they both got charged with incest and she had enough time to think about the fact she was fucking her dad and realized she shouldn't be doing that). These are the same adoptive parents who hung around and "supported" her decision to marry him, along with Pladl's mother.

People who delude themselves into believing that their decision to engage in incest, even if mutual and consenting in the sense that both parties agree to the sexual act, typically are not emotionally stable to begin with and oftentimes will come to bizarre conclusions to justify their decision to fuck close relatives, which can lead to even more dangerous decisions down the line.

Many who willingly engage in incest adopt the mentality that it's them against the world or already have pre-existing histories of sexual abuse and violence amongst other people, with the incest just being another step on the fucking staircase.

 

[Roy Earle]

Destiny don't be revealing your sock account like this.

 

[Dona Morte]

Never said incest is an orientation. But the "arguments" people in that thread were using could be applied to anything enough people in society think is gross, and that includes gay sex.

Aaah so it's a moral relativist eh?
Answer me this: Why do you think incest is okay?
You cannot say animals do it.
You cannot make the gay sex argument.

 

[OfficerBagget]

The fact that it refers to all people who have engaged in incest as "victims" already shows the bias of the article. It seems to put incest and abuse in the same bag as if they always went together or at least focuses in those cases in particular in which the incest happens between two people at an age where there is an imbalance of power.
Who is the victim when both people are adults? Specially if they are siblings and not parent and child.
Incest is only harmful in the cases in the cases where there is abuse and there are already laws against pederasty to solve that problem.

Ok I have some questions if you don't mind. How did it fuck up your perceptions? Who made the first move?
Would you say society's opinion on it has influenced how you feel about it?

Oh no, you're actually serious about this. Please commit Minecraft

 

[Cyclonus]

Fuck you. I'm going to majorly pl here, but I don't care.


I was. Incested at the age thirteen or so, up until may sixteen. It never went as far as chris did, but it 100% did fuck up my perceptions. A lot of the fault is on me, but the point still stands. It can and will fuck things up

It wasn't your fault. It's never the victims fault. If your dad did that to you then all the responsibility lies with him.

Edit: Ninja'd, but it's worth saying again.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

It wasn't your fault. It's never the victims fault. If your dad did that to you then all the responsibility lies with him.

Edit: Ninja'd, but it's worth saying again.

I mean, I didn't protest at the time, so. But like I said, this isn't my pity party

The whole point of this thread is that cursed fucks his mom and wants to justify it

 

[starborn427614]

No.

 

[The Last Stand]

Lol I was blocked from posting on the other thread.

Where is your mother?

 

[mr big penis]

something retarded

So if sex is equivalent to a massage, you'd have no problem with having sex with your father if he was consenting, correct? Since it doesn't carry any more significance beyond feeling good, in your logic.

 

[Kornula]

It's okay in porn ..so its gotta be okay

 

[Vingle]

It's ironic people get so triggered about this, on a site dedicated to trolls.

 

[cursed]

Steven Pladl had a "consenting" sexual relationship with his daughter Katie, who had been adopted to other people at birth and thus not raised by him personally, only to wind up murdering her adoptive parents father, my bad, Katie herself, and the incest baby they had when she tried to leave (after they both got charged with incest and she had enough time to think about the fact she was fucking her dad and realized she shouldn't be doing that). These are the same adoptive parents who hung around and "supported" her decision to marry him, along with Pladl's mother.

People who delude themselves into believing that their decision to engage in incest, even if mutual and consenting in the sense that both parties agree to the sexual act, typically are not emotionally stable to begin with and oftentimes will come to bizarre conclusions to justify their decision to fuck close relatives, which can lead to even more dangerous decisions down the line.

Many who willingly engage in incest adopt the mentality that it's them against the world or already have pre-existing histories of sexual abuse and violence amongst other people, with the incest just being another step on the fucking staircase.

You are mentioning an anecdotal case to somehow prove all people who engage in incest have psychological problems. There are two reasons why there are many cases of incest tainted by issues like that or molestation. One is that when society has a strong taboo towards something it will be mostly the misfits and undesirables the ones who dare break those taboos. If playing videogames was such a huge taboo in our society you would see mostly fucked up people doing it.
The other reason is that most cases of molestation happen around family members. For a pederast the easiest way to have access to kids is his or her own family. This is why so many people who have experienced incest are victims.
The problem is not incest itself. We should be able to separate incest from other kind of circumstantial behaviours that can happen around it same way we should separate the idea of homosexuality from the idea of AIDs or pederasty. These things might often go together but they are not one and the same thing, the same way incest not only happens in a context of sexual abuse, it can also happen between two consenting adults.

I provided an explanation not an argument.
I explain one of the causes for social dislike of incest, I did not make an argument as to why incest is bad.

But granted biology certainly is one of the reasons commonly brought up, so I would understand your confusion.

If I had to make a counter argument then certainly the biological argument would be the weakest. No I'd rather focus on the affects on the individuals, the effects on the family, and then on society.

There seems to be few cases of individuals partaking in incest being mentally health and well adjusted, although one can argue that to partake in incest one already had to have something wrong since incest is a natural and instinctive dislike in people (self evidently so: the vast majority of people think incest is disgusting). So it can rather admittedly be argued that people who partake in incest have a history of sexual abuse, or (as is the case with Chris-Chan) have some diminished mental capacity, and so then the argument follows that they would have been screwed up regardless. It's a bit of a chicken or the egg issue, but I do feel that incest would have in and of itself have a negative impact individuals.

I hesitate to bring up the instances of an adult having sex with their child, since here you can make the argument that it's the paedophilia what causes the most damage. I'd however bring up that it is far more traumatising for a child to be raped by a family member (which is intended to be a psychological source of familiarity, safety and stability) than it would be to be raped by a stranger.

If we look at the purpose of a family it is to raise and nurture children and prepare them to one day become independent and then to form their own family. It is fundamental to society that we produce more people (literally a society will die out otherwise), and that these people be well adjusted and capable of operating in society. This is from the parent child perspective, but given that this conversation came out of Chris-Chan possible raping his mother, I think its a fine enough aspect to focus on.

Incest would be a fundamental shift in the familial relationship and I'd argue this shift would have a negative impact on the core goal of the family. So incest can lead to the breakdown of the family, produce maladjusted individuals and if seen on a wide enough scale can lead to wider scale social issues, and this is even if we ignore things like child molestation, or elder abuse, since seems almost inseparable from incest, because again normal people don't partake in incest.

As I said before I think the aversion towards incest is mostly cultural. The fact that its a (almost) universal taboo means that behind it underlies a universal desire. There would be no taboo if the behaviour wasnt common enough.
As for nature, it probably has its own mechanisms to reduce the likelihood of sex between relatives but it doesnt completely prevents it.
And as for if it would destroy families if not banned, I think its abuse and impure intentions what would destroy the family more than the incest itself. Some islander tribes practice incest and that didnt prevent them from existing as societies.
I do agree that in our society it would be difficult for healthy forms of incest to arise due to the effects persecution has had and the factors mentioned above but I suspect that if incest was suddenly considered ok and became part of our culture, other social norms would arise around it to regulate it and prevent it from damaging families same way these tribes probably have rules to prevent incest from degenerating into exploitation and abuse. Rules that we don't have because we have banned the whole thing and therefore made it a behaviour that only misfits with preexisting issues engage in.

 

[fishercat]

At least Oedipus didn't know he was fucking his mom.