[THREAD RETIRED] Isabella Loretta Janke / Bella the Chris-Chan Incest Troll and her clique of extremely sick people - Original thread. Historical purposes only. Not updated. Refer to forum for current info/discussion.

[Some JERK]

Goddammit i got to sleep and now im fifty fucking pages behind

That's the curse of the Farms; following the best threads is like trying to catch a bullet with your teeth.

 

[Toasa]

I always have mixed feelings when it comes to people this young. Maybe because at 33 I'm gettin' a little old. But I interacted with and did some incredibly stupid and naïve things at 19-20 years old that would've absolutely ruined me if it became public knowledge and I was scrutinized for it. After reading a lot of this it seems this Bella girl just got into things WAAYYYY over her head and didn't quite have the knowledge or experience (Seems to have been quite sheltered/somewhat on the spectrum herself) to handle it. She should have to answer for her actions, but this seems ways more Ivy/Jackie and less Blue Spike/Joshua Martinez. Once the fun became... this... the dumb kid didn't know what to do with it. But the fact that an actual true and honest gal-pal was pivotal in the real downfall of Chris..... beautiful irony.

When I was 18-20 I wasn't out there inspiring mentally challenged people to make their delusions of fucking their mother a reality

 

[ANobody]

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God I remember that guy, there was literally no way of pulling him out without breaking his fucking femurs. He died in that cave.

 

[Mussi]

I always have mixed feelings when it comes to people this young. Maybe because at 33 I'm gettin' a little old. But I interacted with and did some incredibly stupid and naïve things at 19-20 years old that would've absolutely ruined me if it became public knowledge and I was scrutinized for it. After reading a lot of this it seems this Bella girl just got into things WAAYYYY over her head and didn't quite have the knowledge or experience (Seems to have been quite sheltered/somewhat on the spectrum herself) to handle it. She should have to answer for her actions, but this seems ways more Ivy/Jackie and less Blue Spike/Joshua Martinez. Once the fun became... this... the dumb kid didn't know what to do with it. But the fact that an actual true and honest gal-pal was pivotal in the real downfall of Chris..... beautiful irony.

You know, I have to agree with you. She's just a retarded teenager, and I'm fairly certain Chris fucking his mother was all on him. I'd probably be against the whole campaign against her if she had turned in the recordings to the cops as soon as she made them.

 

[TayandYou]

When I was 18-20 I wasn't out there inspiring mentally challenged people to make their delusions of fucking their mother a reality

Normal 18-20 year olds are dumb, but not that dumb

 

[The_Goat_Escape]

I would agree with you but it's different here, when I was but a wee 19 year old certified autist myself I knew right from wrong and she clearly does too because she doesn't want this shit getting found out. As far as we know she not only planned on clowning on the farms and Chris, but this other poor autistic chick Fiona. Yet instead of fessing up to her actions and taking the L, she immediately attempted to obscure the truth and throw anyone within arms reach into the madness in an attempt to not be the one caught at the center of it, not to mention the fact that she's still trying to derail the discussion with her shitty sock accounts probably. She was absolutely OK with others taking the fall for her so fuck her, let her face the consequences of her actions.

Not sure if the pathology with Bella is one more of Autism or what seems to run in the family which is Schizoaffective. The sister who is now full Milk Carton who was either the scapegoat or forgotten child suffered with it. We know that Fiona is Autistic but this is the first I've heard Bella being autist, other than the fact that we all are It's the whole "If everything is terrible, then nothing is", but, just what sort of terrible.

I'd guess OCD though because of the cat stroking and infant foot nibbling fetishes that are mentioned repeatedly in her media. And also obsessions with some sort of intracranial magnetic stimulation, which again I wonder if is some sort of....

 

[SilenceIsViolence]

I always have mixed feelings when it comes to people this young. Maybe because at 33 I'm gettin' a little old. But I interacted with and did some incredibly stupid and naïve things at 19-20 years old that would've absolutely ruined me if it became public knowledge and I was scrutinized for it. After reading a lot of this it seems this Bella girl just got into things WAAYYYY over her head and didn't quite have the knowledge or experience (Seems to have been quite sheltered/somewhat on the spectrum herself) to handle it. She should have to answer for her actions, but this seems ways more Ivy/Jackie and less Blue Spike/Joshua Martinez. Once the fun became... this... the dumb kid didn't know what to do with it. But the fact that an actual true and honest gal-pal was pivotal in the real downfall of Chris..... beautiful irony.

also did some super fucked up stuff in my teens but it pales in comparison to this imo. It's not so much that Bella is responsible for Chris 's actions as much as they are directly in the know about who is and has refused to come forward with anything. The whole reason Grant/Fiona are 'in the clear' now is because they both shared what they could. You can argue "giving into trolls" is the wrong move in most scenarios, but intentionally creating confusion through socks does nothing to aid her case and at this point, the only chance at salvation comes from being a better (legit) source than.

Isabella, tell us what you know and share your side. If you're merely an accomplice, provide the proof and move on.

 

[Blizzrobe]

What a wild ride.

Even if Bella isn't the final boss, she is still a cat and little boy fucking, not bathing lolcow that deserves a thread and ridicule. The fact that she is a glowie spawn and such a failiure only makes it funnier.

Fiona I think gets a lot of troll shielding.
Bella's bio-mom and pig got doxed, so why not her?
She is a funny retard who wanted to get creamed by the bent duck by a tranny with incontinence.

G202 gets off the hool for being cooperative, but Fio a was far less so.

Dox everything, we have a lulz deficit after CWCs downfall.

Niggerslayer9000 maybe more boring, but a darkie mutt going full WN is still lolzy.

Darkies are often the most radical of /pol/ posters.

I would agree with you but it's different here, when I was but a wee 19 year old certified autist myself I knew right from wrong and she clearly does too because she doesn't want this shit getting found out. As far as we know she not only planned on clowning on the farms and Chris, but this other poor autistic chick Fiona. Yet instead of fessing up to her actions and taking the L, she immediately attempted to obscure the truth and throw anyone within arms reach into the madness in an attempt to not be the one caught at the center of it, not to mention the fact that she's still trying to derail the discussion with her shitty sock accounts probably. She was absolutely OK with others taking the fall for her so fuck her, let her face the consequences of her actions.

She's acting like a /b/tard, When her parents start getting messages and told what she was doing it will blow up in her face. hard.

Bella, as a temporary father figure to you in this thread, stop flogging it to weird shit, log off the internet and clean your room. Also wash your tits you fuckin grot lol

Calling people simple when you can't quote a post properly is great. Take your own advice here.

You know, I have to agree with you. She's just a retarded teenager, and I'm fairly certain Chris fucking his mother was all on him. I'd probably be against the whole campaign against her if she had turned in the recordings to the cops as soon as she made them.

If she was raised on 4chan and has all these weird fetishes does she consider incest normal and not illegal? It's a constant thread on /b/ and other sub groups like the Supernatural fandom promote it. How do zoomers see incest?

 

[ANobody]

What a wild ride.

Even if Bella isn't the final boss, she is still a cat and little boy fucking, not bathing lolcow that deserves a thread and ridicule. The fact that she is a glowie spawn and such a failiure only makes it funnier.

Fiona I think gets a lot of troll shielding.
Bella's bio-mom and pig got doxed, so why not her?
She is a funny retard who wanted to get creamed by the bent duck by a tranny with incontinence.

G202 gets off the hool for being cooperative, but Fio a was far less so.

Dox everything, we have a lulz deficit after CWCs downfall.

Niggerslayer9000 maybe more boring, but a darkie mutt going full WN is still lolzy.

Yeah but Fiona is just a run of the mill tard with some questionable sense of aesthetics.

Bella is the sociopath spawn of a couple of glowies. She studies fucking computer science and her parents work in opsec and somehow she managed to dox herself spectacularly. She tried to throw literally everyone else involved under the bus despite having no evidence and shitty sockpuppets.

She's clearly the lolcow in this situation, time to milk those massive photoshopped honkers for all they're worth

 

[ForgedBlades]

In thinking about if Bella encouraged Chris to do it, I'm sticking with Occam's razor.

Chris is highly suggestable and controllable -> Bella is into weird incest shit -> Chris does it -> Bella is excited instead of disgusted

I really do think she planted the idea in his head and that's why she didn't leak the full audio. The fact that she's into incest is too much of a coincidence, even with Chris and Barb's weird relationship.

 

[Blizzrobe]

also did some super fucked up stuff in my teens but it pales in comparison to this imo. It's not so much that Bella is responsible for Chris 's actions as much as they are directly in the know about who is and has refused to come forward with anything. The whole reason Grant/Fiona are 'in the clear' now is because they both shared what they could. You can argue "giving into trolls" is the wrong move in most scenarios, but intentionally creating confusion through socks does nothing to aid her case and at this point, the only chance at salvation comes from being a better (legit) source than.

Isabella, tell us what you know and share your side. If you're merely an accomplice, provide the proof and move on.

When did Fiona come forward? Didn't Grant say she deleted everything and wanted to lay low?

 

[Meth Until Death]

Darkies are often the most radical of /pol/ posters.

She's acting like a /b/tard, When her parents start getting messages and told what she was doing it will blow up in her face. hard.

Calling people simple when you can't quote a post properly is great. Take your own advice here.

If she was raised on 4chan and has all these weird fetishes does she consider incest normal and not illegal? It's a constant thread on /b/ and other sub groups like the Supernatural fandom promote it. How do zoomers see incest?

Bugger off I'm not your dad you needy grot

 

[whore loving dragon]

When did Fiona come forward? Didn't Grant say she deleted everything and wanted to lay low?

She was the one who originally broke this story by releasing the interview, and did it earlier than Bella anticipated / wanted to, apparently - Bella told her to do it but got mad that it was too early.

 

[Formidable snake]

Is it too late to theorize? It possibly is, I have been reading through this thread for the past few days. However, I am not caught up with anything recent other than the discovery that Fiona may have lied to Grant about her attraction to Chris. I wanted to put my thoughts in regardless and I am open to being corrected, or even ridiculed for how late I am. Newfag zoomer here. This is long, my apologies to those I have quoted having to get this block of text in their inboxes. I tried to shorten it as much as I could.

The thing that does not sit right for me at all is the assumption that Chris was talked into doing this. The aspect I have personally approached on with this is that without the entire christory as we know it, there is a big chance Chris would have ended up like this regardless. Almost as if all of the trolling and bait were just side quests unaffecting the main story. I came to this reasoning with the understanding of how Barb has treated Chris for all of his life. Her constant coddling and enabling of his behavior would have inevitably prevent him from learning the consequences of his actions. Even with Bob's realization and attempts to correct the errors of his ways, there is no doubt that his attempts of making Chris an independent person would falter because of Barb's treatment alone had Bob lived longer.

Understanding the type of mother Barb is, from different cases of this form of abuse, they have the tendency to purposely chase away every love interest their sons may have. I believe that even if Bob had turned Chris's life around and had gotten him to move out, Barb would have still coddled Chris to certain extents as well. If Bob had succeeded, however we still have to remember that Chris is autistic. Typically it is a lot harder for autistic people to improve on their condition later in life, and given his childhood there is inherent damage. Chances are, he would never get a girlfriend in his area, nor do I see the possibility of him getting one online if the trolling never happened. With Barb growing older, knowing how soft Chris is, anything Bob would have hypothetically taught him could be unwound and he'd be increasingly lonely.

With the aspect that Barb started to groom him sexually after Bob's death, the wrongness of incest would escape his mind- that is, if he ever found anything wrong with it in the first place. He would still be alone, and he would still be horny. After all, he didn't have any problem with telling Megan that him drawing himself having sex with her was to prevent the possibility of him raping her.

I intend to imply that I believe the rape of his increasingly dementated mother would have happened regardless. His life story without the trolling is similar to those before that have ended with similar situations. HOWEVER, this does not exempt Bella. I have seen a lot of people claim that she sat on this information for a month, but I have not seen much promoting that thesis. Unless I am missing something, all of the screenshots sent throughout these threads, all of them imply that this information was known for two or three days max. Still wrong, albeit it's expected with the narcissism Bella is shown to have. As someone stated before me,

G202 claims that Fiona's first contact is from *after* Chris began engaging in incest. It follows then that to G202's understanding of events, Bella also had no contact with CWC until well after Chris began incest. I'm not sure that I believe G202 is correct on that final point, but it is worth considering.

Yes. All he has said, in private, is that he "never heard bella mentioned" before the 20th of July. Which leaves about maybe two weeks of Fiona and Chris interacting (G202 claims Fiona began contact in early July) without Bella's direct involvement -- to G202's knowledge. But if Bella was talking to Chris before that, and it appears that is the case, it is possible Bella learned of Fiona that way and roped her into whatever was going on. If Grant's understanding is correct, anyway.

It, to my knowledge, appears that they were seeking to troll Chris but then accidentally opened up a massive rabbit hole that led into the wonderland we're in now. On a separate side note, it's amusing to hear Bella talk about how disgusting it is that child pornography can be found so easily online when she herself draws shota/lolicon. Great self deflecting you're doing there, Bella.

People should have stopped trolling or interacting with CwC other than maybe nostalgic art commissions well after the 2010s. Both based on the fact that there are some ethnical questions that go with trolling someone who really isn't all there mentally when the piñata has already been beat enough (whether trolling him in the 2010s was justified or not), and the fact that tracing things is more easy now than it was before, especially with social media.

Even if Kelly and Luis did somehow convince Chris that Sonichu would fucking die if he didn't rape his mom, there was no REAL threat of violence. I don't understand how a 19yo girl in Texas could make a 39 year old man-thing feel so scared that he had to willingly discuss raping his mother and buying a book about having sex with the disabled, as well as swooning to Null about having a girlfriend.
When he was under duress from the Idea Guys, it was sorta obvious in hind sight that he didn't want to do any of the shit they had him doing. Chris isn't that good at pretending to like things he doesn't like. The concept of Chris wanting to rape his mom outweighs the possibility that Kelly and Luis coerced him.

Coerce Chris into incest? No. Gently coax Chris into something he's been proved to be mulling over for years? Possible but given their shit job at covering their tracks that's not something I'd buy from them.

I don't think even zoomers would want to try and convince CwC into raping his mom, but I could actually see them wanting to try and bank on the rumors that he had a fucked up relationship with his mother that was a bit too cozy, exploit that to get him to make incest or some other weird porn, and then release it to their subreddit with "look guys, we tricked CwC into drawing incest porn with his mother, this is just like the Megan thing, lmao!!").

I wouldn't put anything past anyone, including trying to groom CwC into raping his mother, wouldn't rule out that they just wanted to talk with and share porn with their hero for no other reason than "omg, look, we're talking with our favorite internet e-celeb" (sharing porn with anyone, is frankly weird, but w.e I guess?)

To bounce off of these quotes, I don't think Bella is smart enough to have planned this all along. Given her shoddy backtracking and deletion of information, you'd think it would have been handled a lot better if she was truly as manipulative as a lot paint her to be. Although, I am around her age, it does not appear too far out of character for people of my age range to mess up this badly over something perceived as small.

 

[The_Goat_Escape]

If she was raised on 4chan and has all these weird fetishes does she consider incest normal and not illegal? It's a constant thread on /b/ and other sub groups like the Supernatural fandom promote it. How do zoomers see incest?

it's been covered this is a bit 101 tbh

 

[ANobody]

Darkies are often the most radical of /pol/ posters.

She's acting like a /b/tard, When her parents start getting messages and told what she was doing it will blow up in her face. hard.

Calling people simple when you can't quote a post properly is great. Take your own advice here.

If she was raised on 4chan and has all these weird fetishes does she consider incest normal and not illegal? It's a constant thread on /b/ and other sub groups like the Supernatural fandom promote it. How do zoomers see incest?

Bella. Literally no one buys your sockpuppet shit. We're already on high alert why would qe be so stupid as to believe a newfag would defend your stupid ass?

You know, I have to agree with you. She's just a retarded teenager, and I'm fairly certain Chris fucking his mother was all on him. I'd probably be against the whole campaign against her if she had turned in the recordings to the cops as soon as she made them.

Withholding evidence is still a fucking crime

 

[DiscoRodeo]

I always have mixed feelings when it comes to people this young. Maybe because at 33 I'm gettin' a little old. But I interacted with and did some incredibly stupid and naïve things at 19-20 years old that would've absolutely ruined me if it became public knowledge and I was scrutinized for it. After reading a lot of this it seems this Bella girl just got into things WAAYYYY over her head and didn't quite have the knowledge or experience (Seems to have been quite sheltered/somewhat on the spectrum herself) to handle it. She should have to answer for her actions, but this seems ways more Ivy/Jackie and less Blue Spike/Joshua Martinez. Once the fun became... this... the dumb kid didn't know what to do with it. But the fact that an actual true and honest gal-pal was pivotal in the real downfall of Chris..... beautiful irony.

The classic trolls had a line they wouldn't cross. You can hear that line being disscussed in the old Mumble recordings.

Would also argue that they trolled in a time where getting caught and the consequences were much less drastic, but past that, these Lolcows really made themselves needless targets and antagonized the web in ways that in hindsight, were obviously a bad idea (kind of what Isabella did here).

For example, Chris sperging out over Axe body spray over making ads favoring gay people and demanding they rescind this in a very public internet campaign resulted in the obvious "lets make more gay porn featuring Sonichu". The one thing that people seem to forget with Chris and /v/ during that time (plus the actual trolls), was it was usually a sperg, then response kind of formula. Chris spergs out, someone laughs and posts it to /v/, and individuals laugh along and think of something funny to do as a response that would blow up in CwC's face.

I'm not saying that he was asking to be trolled in every instance, but a lot of the stuff he posted online during that time period, the homophobia, the casual racism ("wouldn't it be funny to have a black guy in a pickle suit cuck him publicly in a mall?"), the revenge and rape porn, the blaming everyone else in his own life for his problems, he followed a common trait that most early Lolcows had.

Not being able to own up to their own issues, blaming them on everyone else, and being an agent of their own downfall.

The difference between now and then is the trolling seems less chaotic neutral. CwC does cringe things online, of course, but for the past decade or so, its less him initiating trolling on his own, and more weens coming back, or attempting to come back, again, and again, and again, well past when he mellowed out online. For this current saga, did he say anything or do anything online warranting Bella to try and get a sex tape on him or honeypot him for months?

Honestly, not really. Its more her and whatever other zoomers who are involved who wanted clout for themselves, going out of their way to attempt to cause and create drama with CwC, not an equal vis-a-vis response thing that used to be the case.

Add in the most zoomer weens seem clout or internet fame obsessed, theres a general gag order against trolling CwC and most of the old lolcows (ie, Pixiteri), or trying to insert yourself into their lives, and breaking that taboo seems to just be asking for trouble. Its not necessarily even the internet you have to watch out for. These lolcows are often mentally unstable, on the last straw at this point, and have often learnt their lessons well in the past. CwC hadn't fully, but he had relatively mellowed out compared to much earlier in his life. When KFers found out someone had tipped this cow, and that their reasons for tipping the cow was something as crass as "lol, Im the ultimate troll", let alone the honeypotting, the ethical questionable stuff involving prior knowledge of Barb's rape and not releasing it to the police for presumably wanting/waiting for more solicitous content, the seemingly likely at this point issue that they were sexting with chris for a long time and trying to get a sex tape, among other things, and it just leaves a sour taste.

How do lolcow saga's start? The same way that this one started with Loretta. Zoomers seem to be under the impression that the trolling just started out of the blue with these people, when really it was things exactly like whats going on right now with her. She wanted to be involved, intimately? She got it.

 

[TayandYou]

In thinking about if Bella encouraged Chris to do it, I'm sticking with Occam's razor.

Chris is highly suggestable and controllable -> Bella is into weird incest shit -> Chris does it -> Bella is excited instead of disgusted

I really do think she planted the idea in his head and that's why she didn't leak the full audio. The fact that she's into incest is too much of a coincidence, even with Chris and Barb's weird relationship.

This is still very much a possibility

 

[Male Idiot]

Yeah but Fiona is just a run of the mill tard with some questionable sense of aesthetics.

Bella is the sociopath spawn of a couple of glowies. She studies fucking computer science and her parents work in opsec and somehow she managed to dox herself spectacularly. She tried to throw literally everyone else involved under the bus despite having no evidence and shitty sockpuppets.

She's clearly the lolcow in this situation, time to milk those massive photoshopped honkers for all they're worth

Oh no doubt, Bella looks guiltier. Doesn't have to be a choice though. Maybe sometimes both can be mocked.
All weens included in this mess deserve a doxing, even Gibli the thread shitter.

 

[Narr Then]

In thinking about if Bella encouraged Chris to do it, I'm sticking with Occam's razor.

Chris is highly suggestable and controllable -> Bella is into weird incest shit -> Chris does it -> Bella is excited instead of disgusted

I really do think she planted the idea in his head and that's why she didn't leak the full audio. The fact that she's into incest is too much of a coincidence, even with Chris and Barb's weird relationship.

The seed was probably sprouting, but Bella watered it. I am convinced of that.