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So I found a Scalyfag tranny with a lisp who whines about fascism in fantasy, has anyone else heard about this faggot?
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"Ultramarines Are Cool, Y'all Just Mean."
Literally tells me everything I need to know about this particular brand of loser.
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His tolkien video is much worse, he claims that Tolkien's Orcs are a result of leftover Colonialism and British Chauvinism
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Which lefty did he rip that one off from? I swear, these woke "nerds" are so fucking boring. They all say the same fucking thing with this condescending tone and shit eating grin like they're dropping a bomb when I've already heard it all before over and over and over and over again from the last dangerhair soycuck I ran into. This material just makes me feel tired anymore, can't even spare the energy to get upset these days.
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They’re not wrong that the Smurfs can be cool, but the problem is that they are perpetually left under the shadow of Matt Ward’s fanboyish transformation of them into the best marines ever due to their strict adherence to the Codex with everyone worshipping Calgar and Bobby B. But that’s not why they’re saying it, it’s probably just because the Ultrasmurfs are the vanilla marines that indicate someone is probably a fake fan wanting to shift the setting.
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All Marines chapters can be cool. People just tend to gravitate toward the more interesting Marines in most cases is all. Nothing really wrong with the Ultrasmurfs, they're the closest to what the Space Marines were envisioned as by the Empra and are your baseline Astartes army (basically, they're what keeps the other chapters from not being special). But the lefties don't understand nuance, so they think someone sarcastically bashing Calgar or calling them Smurfs is them viciously attacking the faction when the problem isn't Big Blue Bobby's Boys (and never was even if they seemed dull at times), it was some retard who wrote fluff most of the fanbase hated. It's the tabletop version of Goober Grape.
tl;dr: Ultramarines are Superman and a number of people find it boring, Ultramarine fanboys are a blight on the fanbase, Matt Ward is a hack (but we're pretty much over it now).
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Now I'm very curious what your takes on some of the other Chapters are. I actually like the Ultra's aesthetic and it is mildly fair to point out that people bag on them for their Ward days. They're still very blatantly favored.
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Ultramarines can be interesting when they're not just a shapeless mass of THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL and slavish adherence to the Codex. Captain Titus (which I'm still salty about not being canon) is a good example of that. The Wardian BS fucked them over hard, because they were meant to be resourceful but generic. Ultramarines have to be good at adjusting their tactics to suit their tactical/strategic situation, but not THE BEST at anything.
Unfortunately, that's not what the fanboys think, and Games Workshop isn't helping by essentially burying any chapters that aren't the Smurfs, Dark Angels or Space Furries. Also, the irony of so-called "anti-fascists" being fans of the Ultramarines, the guys using Ancient Roman symbols, never ceases to amaze me. I guess they never saw what Italian Fascism, the OG fascism, liked parading around. The Germans just drew too much attention.
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I'll just do First Founding Loyalists and the two Special Chapters since no one cares about the Successors other than Black Templars (the ones that do just invent their own):
Dark Angels: I'm biased because I like robes and holy symbols, but I like them. Great asthetic, but because of the way GW structured their units they tend to lack cohesion unless you paint them all the same color. Fluff never goes anywhere, they need to get their shit together and get shown dealing with the
White Scars: Motorcycle riding Mongolian horde super soldiers IN SPACE? The only thing GW fucks over harder than this Chapter is their fans. Extremely cool aesthetic with an interesting Primarch. Needs its own Codex. A real one, like the Space Wolves or Blood Angels. 8/10 (MOAR SPACE GENGHIS!)
Space Wolves: I can see why they're popular. I loved the hell out of them when I was a kid, but as I got older I realized how one note they are. Werewolves are cool, but their lore is...well, pretty much what you expect: fuck authority, let's get beer, brothers! Characters are mostly clones of each other. 5/10 (WOLF WOLF WOLF WOLF)
Imperial Fists: I get the lore, I do. But in practice, they just seem to be another Ultramarines because GW can't figure out their lore beyond "they die." Technically not First Founding anymore, but whatever. Rogal Dorn is cooler than Roboute Gulliman though, so they have that. 5/10 (YOU DIED)
Blood Angels: I go back and forth on these guys. On one hand, angelic beserker space vampires is pretty awesome, and I like aggressive playstyles. On the other...their lore makes them come across as a Chapter that found an ancient My Chemical Romance CD and got the AdMech to make them a CD player. Brooding vampires before brooding vampires were cool, though. Their special characters are fine, but not super compelling. 6/10 (Blood Angels and Necrons: still a better love story than Twilight)
Iron Hands: THEIR BATTLECRY IS "THE FLESH IS WEAK"! Anyway, they have a cool machinery aesthetic I enjoy, and Ferrus Manus was a cool guy who doesn't afraid of anything. But like far too many interesting Chapters their lore starts off excellent and gets really bland because GW doesn't market them enough. Also need a Codex. Still, if it wasn't for AdMech I'd probably play them. 7/10 ("Iron within, iron without" is Iron Warriors)
Ultramarines: Bland to me, but they're supposed to be baseline. Vanilla is the most popular flavor, after all, even if I don't personally care for it. Ward's a hack, but we knew that already. Special characters always do the right thing the right way. 5/10 (SPIRITUAL LIEEEEEGE!)
Salamanders: Oh boy. The only Chapter I find more bland than Ultramarines. They are quintessential "good guys always doing the right thing" even more so than the Blue Man Group. I like fire too, but only soup kitchens and kicking ass does not compelling lore make, at least in a universe where everyone kicks ass. They get bonus points though, because Vulkan verbally bitch slapping the High Lords of Terra was amusing to me. 4/10 (At least they didn't give the black dudes lightning!)
Raven Guard: I don't know how they did it, but GW got me to like the rogue faction (Rogue as in D&D rogue, not Lorgar rogue). Probably because every time these guys show up in the lore, they come across as genuinely clever. Their aesthetic is basic Space Marine, but their tactics are interesting on the table. Does not need a Codex, but it would be nice. Also Shrike deserves his status as a sacred cow. 7/10 (There's nothing funny about Raven Guard...unless you imagine Corax gardening)
Death Watch: A decentrilized alliance of Space Marines coming together to kick some Xeno ass? Very cool. Was Night's Watch before R.R. Martin ripped off Dune. Pretty bland, but it's in a way that I like. And besides, they have a good look. 7/10 (Would kill beings that look different from me again)
Grey Knights: Okay, I know what I'm in for, especially since I bashed the Salamander sacred cow. I am aware of Draigo and why people hate him, and I am aware of that bullshit with the bolter bitches. Ward is a hack, we know. But the Grey Knights are my favorite Space Marines. Holy Crusader aesthetic with badass magical powers who show up when the only options are them or Exterminatus? Work the fucking shaft! They have interesting characters who don't seem too ridiculously contrived, the playstyle is compelling to me, and the worst parts have been mostly fixed by better writers. If I wasn't such an AdMech fanboy I'd main these dudes without a second thought. 9./10 (The Sisters of Battle turned out fine in the end! Honest!)
Adeptus Custodes: WHY THE FUCK DOES A PLOT DEVICE HAVE A CODEX WHEN THE IRON HANDS OR WHITE SCARS DON'T?! (-10/10) (Worse than Primaris Marines!)
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I saw his video on 40K and fascism, and it's half-OK, half-stupid.
His Tolkien video made me want to punch my monitor.
He didn't realize that Tolkien made the Orcs from Elves, also known as the most advanced race in LOTR? Orcs were a symbol of how the most civilized of cultures can be twisted to barbarism through war, something Tolkien was all too familiar with when he witnessed the horrors of WW1 and saw his countrymen seek revenge against Germany.
It's basically a trend for these nerds to bash Tolkien and pretend they're smart, when in the end, all they can say is "X is racist, sexist, and/or homophobic". It gets tiring after a while.
They forgot that Fascism was invented in Italy, and was based on the "fasces", a bundle of rods with an axe in the middle, which symbolized the power and jurisdiction of local officials.
I'd rather make my own chapter of Space Marines and a rival Chaos Marine warband. The former are sensible marines who combine their power armor and bolters with heavy artillery, tanks, aircraft, and lots of local infantry supporting them, while their Chaos rivals use the fact that they've severed ties from the Imperium to innovate new technologies, like hybridizing Necron and Tau technologies or reverse-engineering Eldar tech to serve their purposes. You'll have a Space Marine chapter that uses modern military tactics to crush tactically inept Orks who think a charging green tide of infantry is intimidating to any army that's gone past WW1 tactics, fighting against a Chaos Marine warband that spends most of its time trying to surpass the Necrons or the Eldar in technological sophistication.
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You know what, fuck it! Let's do my opinions on the traitors too!
Emperor's Sons: Ah yes, the Emperor's Sons. Beloved of faggots the world over. Truthfully, I like the idea of an army so consumed with chasing perfection they were led down a dark path. They have an interesting playstyle as well. The colors are terrible, but it's Chaos so it was probably intentional. Noise Marines are memetastic and look fun as hell to model, paint and use. All in all, if it wasn't for idiots boiling down Slaanesh to Chaos God of Fucking, there wouldn't be a stigma for playing these dudes. Fulgrim is interesting enough, but GW dropped the ball not explaining how Horus got him to turn or really doing anything with him up to this point. 7/10 (If troons take no pleasure in their condition, do they truly worship Slaanesh...?)
Iron Warriors: Fuck yeah. Perturabo is kind of a whiny bitch and his legion is...dull! But with Chaos, dull is a reductionist look and this makes them appeal to me. Plus, as explained above I like the aesthetics of mechanical stuff. Their lore (what little there is) is interesting, basically if Spec Ops: The Line was a Warband. The tight structure in the lore appeals to me, plus they seem like the guys who can actually do the job while everyone else is dicking around trying to curry favor with the Chaos Gods. They don't have any special characters, but that's why Your Dudes exist, right? 8/10 (Seriously, stop confusing these guys with the Iron Hands)
Night Lords: You're getting a biased review because I like Batman and the Punisher. Did Konrad do nothing wrong? No, of course not, he was a homicidal maniac that fucked his home world because he couldn't fix shit long term and pussied out with a suicide by cop instead of figuring out how to make his visions work for him. But he's interesting because of his flaws, and his Night Lords take what I like about the Raven Guard and make it deliciously twisted. They have a cool color scheme and their quick attack and aggressive playstyle appeals to me. Why apologize? Serial killers are fascinating! 9/10 (Do you know the difference between punishment and justice?)
World Eaters: So, I like the Chaos Gods for the most part, other than Tzeentch. Yeah, they're aggressive and they look okay, but what do they really do in the lore other than fuck shit up? Angron had good points at times, but he mostly came across as an edgy teen jacking himself off to his own misery (and yes, I know it's ironic I don't say this about Konrad Curze but fuck you he made it work). I honestly think they're mostly popular for the memes, but a simple slugfest can be appealing too so who knows? All I know is they come across as generic doomsday villains who understudy for a real bad guy. Except for Kharn the Betrayer. He's a swell guy, once you get to know him. 5/10 (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LOLS FOR THE LOLCOWS! TROPHIES FOR THE TROPHY WIVES!)
Death Guard: As much as I like Nurgle (My main in Blood Bowl) I have trouble loving the Death Guard. I like them, but I don't love them. The aesthetic of rot and decay has an appeal, but it seems like GW is so all in with it it gets boring and samey. I like my tough beefy bois as much as the next guy, but it can get annoying moving slow things around. Still, they have really interesting Primarch Lore. Mortarian was a dick, but fucking Typhus man...anyway, it's like the World Eaters. Edge that just seems like it's trying too hard. 6/10 (I'll knock GW up two notches on my Respect Meter if Chris-Chan is made a Daemon Prince in the lore)
Thousand Sons: Poor Magnus. Too clever by half, and dicked over by fucking EVERYONE. The Egyptian look has potential, but it doesn't appeal to me. The Dark Sorcerer schtick doesn't either. But I get why people like them, it's just not my cup of tea for the most part. I will say the Thousand Sons are fun to read about though. GW mostly does a good job with them, and because of the way their fall works, I don't have any beef with why they aren't better villains. Magnus wins the prize for Most Sympathetic Traitor and has a cool Daemon Primarch model. 5/10 (SOON THE BLACK CAULDRON WILL BE MINE!!!!)
Lunar Wolves Sons of Horus Black Legion: Ah, the Black Legion. So, I have to say I'm not a fan of Horus. He had the most contrived turn to villainy ever. Abaddon...I mean, come on GW, you couldn't let on his Black Crusades were doing stuff before 1d4chan got ahold of him? Anyway, they're the Chaos version of the Ultramarines. Spiky bits, black color scheme, 3spoopy5me...they're bog standard when it comes to Chaos. Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, but it's just....meh to me. 5/10 (Just wait until the 14th Black Crusade! That's when shit really hits the fan!)
Word Bearers: Man, I like religious factions so I want to like the Word Bearers. But I can't. They have a red and obviously evil color scheme, they don't really do anything all that interesting either in lore or on the tabletop, and their ENTIRE FUCKING LEADERSHIP is pants on head retarded. Lorgar deserved what he got, then he decided to fuck everything along with his buddies. I can't bring myself to like any of the other special characters either. And they don't look much different from Khorne or Black Legion Marines aesthetically. 4/10 (*kicks in door*Hello, MEWLING SACK OF OFFAL. Do you have time to be SACRIFICED to our Lord and Savior CHAOS UNDIVIDED?!)
Alpha Legion: I'm not being cheeky, but I'm not sure how I feel about the Alpha Legion. The lore seems to more or less be actively trying to make you feel stupid. Furthermore, beyond having a twin (that Rogal Dorn killed lol) Alpharius is just not that interesting. I feel like they could be interesting if they were handled by someone more competent, but for now it seems like an idiot trying to convince everyone else that they're even dumber. Of course, the writers probably have no idea what to do with them. With everything else...I mean, they would appeal to me if the Iron Warriors and Night Lords didn't exist I guess. 5/10 (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!)
Emperor's Sons: Ah yes, the Emperor's Sons. Beloved of faggots the world over. Truthfully, I like the idea of an army so consumed with chasing perfection they were led down a dark path. They have an interesting playstyle as well. The colors are terrible, but it's Chaos so it was probably intentional. Noise Marines are memetastic and look fun as hell to model, paint and use. All in all, if it wasn't for idiots boiling down Slaanesh to Chaos God of Fucking, there wouldn't be a stigma for playing these dudes. Fulgrim is interesting enough, but GW dropped the ball not explaining how Horus got him to turn or really doing anything with him up to this point. 7/10 (If troons take no pleasure in their condition, do they truly worship Slaanesh...?)
Iron Warriors: Fuck yeah. Perturabo is kind of a whiny bitch and his legion is...dull! But with Chaos, dull is a reductionist look and this makes them appeal to me. Plus, as explained above I like the aesthetics of mechanical stuff. Their lore (what little there is) is interesting, basically if Spec Ops: The Line was a Warband. The tight structure in the lore appeals to me, plus they seem like the guys who can actually do the job while everyone else is dicking around trying to curry favor with the Chaos Gods. They don't have any special characters, but that's why Your Dudes exist, right? 8/10 (Seriously, stop confusing these guys with the Iron Hands)
Night Lords: You're getting a biased review because I like Batman and the Punisher. Did Konrad do nothing wrong? No, of course not, he was a homicidal maniac that fucked his home world because he couldn't fix shit long term and pussied out with a suicide by cop instead of figuring out how to make his visions work for him. But he's interesting because of his flaws, and his Night Lords take what I like about the Raven Guard and make it deliciously twisted. They have a cool color scheme and their quick attack and aggressive playstyle appeals to me. Why apologize? Serial killers are fascinating! 9/10 (Do you know the difference between punishment and justice?)
World Eaters: So, I like the Chaos Gods for the most part, other than Tzeentch. Yeah, they're aggressive and they look okay, but what do they really do in the lore other than fuck shit up? Angron had good points at times, but he mostly came across as an edgy teen jacking himself off to his own misery (and yes, I know it's ironic I don't say this about Konrad Curze but fuck you he made it work). I honestly think they're mostly popular for the memes, but a simple slugfest can be appealing too so who knows? All I know is they come across as generic doomsday villains who understudy for a real bad guy. Except for Kharn the Betrayer. He's a swell guy, once you get to know him. 5/10 (BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE! LOLS FOR THE LOLCOWS! TROPHIES FOR THE TROPHY WIVES!)
Death Guard: As much as I like Nurgle (My main in Blood Bowl) I have trouble loving the Death Guard. I like them, but I don't love them. The aesthetic of rot and decay has an appeal, but it seems like GW is so all in with it it gets boring and samey. I like my tough beefy bois as much as the next guy, but it can get annoying moving slow things around. Still, they have really interesting Primarch Lore. Mortarian was a dick, but fucking Typhus man...anyway, it's like the World Eaters. Edge that just seems like it's trying too hard. 6/10 (I'll knock GW up two notches on my Respect Meter if Chris-Chan is made a Daemon Prince in the lore)
Thousand Sons: Poor Magnus. Too clever by half, and dicked over by fucking EVERYONE. The Egyptian look has potential, but it doesn't appeal to me. The Dark Sorcerer schtick doesn't either. But I get why people like them, it's just not my cup of tea for the most part. I will say the Thousand Sons are fun to read about though. GW mostly does a good job with them, and because of the way their fall works, I don't have any beef with why they aren't better villains. Magnus wins the prize for Most Sympathetic Traitor and has a cool Daemon Primarch model. 5/10 (SOON THE BLACK CAULDRON WILL BE MINE!!!!)
Word Bearers: Man, I like religious factions so I want to like the Word Bearers. But I can't. They have a red and obviously evil color scheme, they don't really do anything all that interesting either in lore or on the tabletop, and their ENTIRE FUCKING LEADERSHIP is pants on head retarded. Lorgar deserved what he got, then he decided to fuck everything along with his buddies. I can't bring myself to like any of the other special characters either. And they don't look much different from Khorne or Black Legion Marines aesthetically. 4/10 (*kicks in door*Hello, MEWLING SACK OF OFFAL. Do you have time to be SACRIFICED to our Lord and Savior CHAOS UNDIVIDED?!)
Alpha Legion: I'm not being cheeky, but I'm not sure how I feel about the Alpha Legion. The lore seems to more or less be actively trying to make you feel stupid. Furthermore, beyond having a twin (that Rogal Dorn killed lol) Alpharius is just not that interesting. I feel like they could be interesting if they were handled by someone more competent, but for now it seems like an idiot trying to convince everyone else that they're even dumber. Of course, the writers probably have no idea what to do with them. With everything else...I mean, they would appeal to me if the Iron Warriors and Night Lords didn't exist I guess. 5/10 (YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!)
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Yeah this thread might need to be flagged as diseased.
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This post would belong well in the 40K thread.
But let's stay focused. Leftist tabletop fans like Sigmarxism and their garbage takes on the fantasy genre are a pain in the @$$ for fans of Tolkien, D&D, and other fantasy tabletop stuff.
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Yeah my bad I asked about their opinion and assumed it would be a spoilered addendum or something.
On topic, I really feel bummed seeing so many people jump back on trying to vilify Tolkien's work or to try to tear it down in some fashion. I still remember the huge spike when the movies came out (and as games continued to arrive) of your usual hand-wringing about racism. At the time people weren't so gung-ho to jump on the woke train and they received a good bit of flak, even genuine effort to counter their arguments.
Then there are the super smug comments that are all based off George Argh-Argh Martin's comment about Tolkien's book being ungrounded in reality due to lacking tax policies. As stupid as those takes were I prefer them to the resurgence of woke bickering over how a man who lived through the first world war and is now dead in the ground isn't espousing modern day politics in his long since published works.
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These assholes are aggravating. Tolkien did far more worldbuilding for Middle-Earth than George R. R. Martin did for his world. Martin is telling a more grounded story compared to Tolkien's "my characters never stop in one place long enough ask about the plight of the common peasantry or the inflationary effects of dwarf gold" tale, but there are dozens of pretentious video essays on youtube rightfully picking apart Martin's lazy worldbuilding. It's not that he's a bad writer: he's very competent. But he really should have restricted the scope of his work: his let-the-chips-fall-where-they-may writing style resulted in him completely losing control over his own story.
He's being hailed as some sort of writing god because he wrote a nihilistic fantasy story where people actually fuck. Fucking yay. It's interesting how we went from the romantic optimism and epic (in the original sense of the word) storytelling the Lord of the Rings movies revived in the early 2000s, to this shit we're currently in only twenty years later.
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George RR Martin is for people without internal monologue.
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Because deconstructionist writing removes all the heroes.
And the bugmen hate heroes because rather than see them as something to strive toward and emulate, they feel like a hero personally calls them a failure and reminds them that daddy loved them too much or not enough.
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Their's nothing wrong with Martins style. The fallacy is when people presume that his way is the correct way when their is no correct way. What's interesting is how many rudementry errors that salamander faggot made about tolkien.
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