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[Steamboat_Bill]

Ikr? This is some way to remember that the nicktoons turned 30 and we're next if not already.

I would have much rather preferred to relate some stuff about Nicktoons you never knew instead of getting into a slapfight. Do you know the story behind this?

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

The new Nickelodeon game won't have any voice acting, though - Richard Horvitz said they didn't ask him or any of the other Nick actors to come back - and I don't think he's done any new promo material (and I think they exclusively use recycled lines). The last game Stimpy was in that had voice acting, it was Eric Bauza doing the voice, and that was in 2011. There isn't really any new R&S stuff with voice acting for him to be involved in. (Excepting obviously fake entries on IMDB.)

He may have talked about the production of the reboot but he hasn't done anything with Stimpy's voice for years, and that's why I'm skeptical of this idea. He didn't announce that he was coming back for the reboot when it was all over the news that he would probably return. On his Twitter account the only tweet I could find of him mentioning a R&S reboot after it was announced was this one, which was about Adult Party Cartoon.

So I can't really say he was involved with the reboot... because there isn't much evidence.

As for Nick, studios don't generally announce that a show's been shelved. They announce when things have been greenlit, but if a show never makes it, well, they prefer not to say anything. This happens a lot in TV.

Huh, you're right, my bad. Sorry about that.
Even still I hope you get what I mean though, it's all speculation over some cartoons at the end of the day. 's just frustrating.

Although now since I guess we're on the subject of Nickelodeon:

Netflix announces main cast for Avatar The Last Airbender live-action series

Here's who is playing Aang, Zuko, Katara, and Sokka

www.gamesradar.com

The main cast has been revealed for the live-action adaptation, alongside some comments by the new director of the series on what this is going to entail.

Those who may have fears over the show changing too much from the Nickelodeon cartoon can have their fears allayed. Kim stated he "didn’t want to change things for the sake of change" and added Aang is "not going to be a gritty antihero." There will, however, be "surprises for existing fans."

I bring this up because if rumors circulating are to be believed, the entire show seems to be taking a drastic step away from its source material into DragonBall Evolution territory.

Spoiler: Potential ATLA Live-Action Series Spoilers

Netflix's 'Avatar: The Last Airbender': Character Descriptions Revealed

New information regarding the upcoming Netflix adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender has been revealed.

www.thevulcanreporter.com

Originally reported on by Knight Edge Media, the character descriptions were found for the live-action series through someone supposedly grabbing ahold of the notes for casting direction (not well versed on the technical terms for an audition script, forgive me).
Below is the official Netflix logline:

A reimagined live-action series based on the award-winning and beloved Nickelodeon animated series AVATAR: THE LAST AIRBENDER which follows the adventures of the main protagonist Aang and his friends, who must save the world by defeating Fire Lord Ozai and the destructive war with the Fire Nation.

And here are the character descriptions:

Aang is a typical twelve-year-old boy. A bit goofy, a bit nerdy, restless in school, always eager to join his friends for fun and games. He’s nimble, energetic, and quick in the schoolyard. Adopted at birth, he’s struggled with questions of how he fits in, but his slaving parents have worked hard to make him feel accepted, and so he’s grown up to become generous, kind-hearted, and cheerful. He’s also been gifted with an incredible mystical power he doesn’t really understand, but it could be the key to saving the world from a global conflict. It’s a responsibility he’s reluctant to accept because it’ll take him away from his family, friends, and everything he knows. All he wants is to just be a regular kid.

Katara is smart, athletic, determined, and hopeful. She’s had to keep her family together ever since her mother was killed in a mysterious supernatural event several years ago, a trauma that haunts Katara every day. Recently, she’s started to develop strange new powers that both intrigue and scare her. She’s looking for someone to help her understand these changes. But she’s also started to find hope in the thought her new skills could lead to a brighter future for her and her family.

Katara’s gangly and strong older brother, Sokka, is a teen who’s been forced to grow up too fast. Since his mother’s death, he’s had to become the leader of the family. Which has led him to butt heads with his sister, who resents his overprotective nature. He’s concerned about her new powers, worried they might put her in harm’s way. Despite everything, he and Katara have a natural rapport, and they trust each other. He has a sharp, sardonic wit, which he often uses as a defense mechanism during uncomfortable situations. But it also makes him entertaining and likable.

In excellent shape, focused, and driven, Zuko has been driven to be an overachiever by his overbearing father, a career military man. Failure is never an option, and it doesn’t matter who you hurt to get to the top. Zuko has struggled to reconcile that philosophy with his kind-hearted nature, and that conflict has made him intense and guarded, which is why he comes off as brusque and arrogant. When he discovers he’s developed mysterious powers and is competing with Aang for a key role in their project, Zuko’s father tells him to stop at nothing to win. And if he doesn’t, he shouldn’t bother coming home.

This, plus the recent logline, plus the original creators splitting from the project over creative differences, plus the fucking weird ass age casting is making people really nervous that the DragonBall Evolution "transition from modern day to fantasy" plot of the series might actually be true, especially given nobody's actually shot down this rumor from the team, instead stating their need for "authenticity and diversity", like with the Cowboy Bebop reboot. Although it is speculated that these were test scripts given out to the actors so that they wouldn't know they were auditioning for an Avatar project.

Me personally? I think that shit's cope, and I'm excited to see this trainwreck if all of the above ends up being remotely true, but reminder to take this all with a massive grain of salt.

I would have much rather preferred to relate some stuff about Nicktoons you never knew instead of getting into a slapfight. Do you know the story behind this?

Eh what the hell, I'll bite: what happened there?

 

[A Grey Cat]

I would have much rather preferred to relate some stuff about Nicktoons you never knew instead of getting into a slapfight. Do you know the story behind this?

Well here we are, 30 years and 50 shows latter the network went from sponsoring sweepstakes and being one of the top places for western animation too well ... Creators are treated like shit, shows are canned if they can't measure up to a little square dude, said square dude has two spinoffs in the works and more movies when just one new one would have been a pipe dream. And do I need to bring up their problem with hiring gross pedophiles? Both unintentionally (dan Schneider) and intentionally? (Nina west)

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Eh what the hell, I'll bite: what happened there?

The story is that Darrin J. Sargent, the original voice of Powdered Toast Man, didn't take it very well when they recast him with Gary Owens.

He took it so badly that he got his sister, who was a schoolteacher, to have her class send in letters demanding that he return. One little kid sent in a letter that was, verbatim, what you hear in the episode.

When Bob Camp read it, supposedly, he decided it had to be in a cartoon and told Billy West to read it while screaming.

And now you know.

(Though I met Bob and he told me a lot of behind-the-scenes stories, that wasn't one of them.)

 

[Frapton66]

The voice actors of Mario in two Mario cartoons died. https://www.nintendoeverything.com/...io-in-two-90s-animated-shows-has-passed-away/

 

[Trilby]

The story is that Darrin J. Sargent, the original voice of Powdered Toast Man, didn't take it very well when they recast him with Gary Owens.

He took it so badly that he got his sister, who was a schoolteacher, to have her class send in letters demanding that he return. One little kid sent in a letter that was, verbatim, what you hear in the episode.

When Bob Camp read it, supposedly, he decided it had to be in a cartoon and told Billy West to read it while screaming.

And now you know.

(Though I met Bob and he told me a lot of behind-the-scenes stories, that wasn't one of them.)

Crazy the stuff that goes on behind the scenes.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

The voice actors of Mario in two Mario cartoons died. https://www.nintendoeverything.com/...io-in-two-90s-animated-shows-has-passed-away/

Vinny from Vinesauce on suicide watch. But seriously though, RIP. He was 76, though, he lived a decently long life.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Huh, you're right, my bad. Sorry about that.
Even still I hope you get what I mean though, it's all speculation over some cartoons at the end of the day. 's just frustrating.

Although now since I guess we're on the subject of Nickelodeon:

Netflix announces main cast for Avatar The Last Airbender live-action series

Here's who is playing Aang, Zuko, Katara, and Sokka

www.gamesradar.com

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The main cast has been revealed for the live-action adaptation, alongside some comments by the new director of the series on what this is going to entail.

I bring this up because if rumors circulating are to be believed, the entire show seems to be taking a drastic step away from its source material into DragonBall Evolution territory.

Spoiler: Potential ATLA Live-Action Series Spoilers

Netflix's 'Avatar: The Last Airbender': Character Descriptions Revealed

New information regarding the upcoming Netflix adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender has been revealed.

www.thevulcanreporter.com

Originally reported on by Knight Edge Media, the character descriptions were found for the live-action series through someone supposedly grabbing ahold of the notes for casting direction (not well versed on the technical terms for an audition script, forgive me).
Below is the official Netflix logline:

And here are the character descriptions:




This, plus the recent logline, plus the original creators splitting from the project over creative differences, plus the fucking weird ass age casting is making people really nervous that the DragonBall Evolution "transition from modern day to fantasy" plot of the series might actually be true, especially given nobody's actually shot down this rumor from the team, instead stating their need for "authenticity and diversity", like with the Cowboy Bebop reboot. Although it is speculated that these were test scripts given out to the actors so that they wouldn't know they were auditioning for an Avatar project.

Me personally? I think that shit's cope, and I'm excited to see this trainwreck if all of the above ends up being remotely true, but reminder to take this all with a massive grain of salt.

Eh what the hell, I'll bite: what happened there?

Gotta love how their pronouns are listed! Wow, two guys, a little boy, and a chick. How could've I known? Why is a little boy being asked to list his pronouns? And is Netflix going to add the pronouns of their actors under every each of these posts?

For Spanish speakers, is the "elle/delle" supposed to be the equivalent of listing your pronouns in... Spanish?

 

[A Grey Cat]

Gotta love how their pronouns are listed! Wow, two guys, a little boy, and a chick. How could've I known? Why is a little boy being asked to list his pronouns? And is Netflix going to add the pronouns of their actors under every each of these posts?
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For Spanish speakers, is the "elle/delle" supposed to be the equivalent of listing your pronouns in... Spanish?

Gfg that bio. HP Lovecraft was right... Humans are such easy prey

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Vinny from Vinesauce on suicide watch. But seriously though, RIP. He was 76, though, he lived a decently long life.

You know, both Marios and Luigis from the original cartoons are dead now.

Gotta love how their pronouns are listed! Wow, two guys, a little boy, and a chick. How could've I known? Why is a little boy being asked to list his pronouns? And is Netflix going to add the pronouns of their actors under every each of these posts?
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For Spanish speakers, is the "elle/delle" supposed to be the equivalent of listing your pronouns in... Spanish?

That's Portuguese.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I might be three days late, but I was shocked to find out Nicktoons turned 30 years old. Even during the start of the 2000’s, I’m still thankful that I watched Doug, Ren & Stimpy and Rugrats during their prime years.

When I was younger, my father used to love watching Doug every time I came down with a sickness. He used to love the theme song to it.

The voice actors of Mario in two Mario cartoons died. https://www.nintendoeverything.com/...io-in-two-90s-animated-shows-has-passed-away/

I watched one of those shows over the past few years and I was surprised he voiced both Marios. If anything, it wouldn’t surprise me if the MLG memes that were based on Grand Dad and the rise of SMG4 were due to the popularity of his voice and the cartoon.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Here's a nice article about what made Nicktoons so different back in the day.

 

[Private Pyle]

Huh, you're right, my bad. Sorry about that.
Even still I hope you get what I mean though, it's all speculation over some cartoons at the end of the day. 's just frustrating.

Although now since I guess we're on the subject of Nickelodeon:

Netflix announces main cast for Avatar The Last Airbender live-action series

Here's who is playing Aang, Zuko, Katara, and Sokka

www.gamesradar.com

View attachment 2439615
The main cast has been revealed for the live-action adaptation, alongside some comments by the new director of the series on what this is going to entail.

I bring this up because if rumors circulating are to be believed, the entire show seems to be taking a drastic step away from its source material into DragonBall Evolution territory.

Spoiler: Potential ATLA Live-Action Series Spoilers

Netflix's 'Avatar: The Last Airbender': Character Descriptions Revealed

New information regarding the upcoming Netflix adaptation of Avatar: The Last Airbender has been revealed.

www.thevulcanreporter.com

Originally reported on by Knight Edge Media, the character descriptions were found for the live-action series through someone supposedly grabbing ahold of the notes for casting direction (not well versed on the technical terms for an audition script, forgive me).
Below is the official Netflix logline:

And here are the character descriptions:




This, plus the recent logline, plus the original creators splitting from the project over creative differences, plus the fucking weird ass age casting is making people really nervous that the DragonBall Evolution "transition from modern day to fantasy" plot of the series might actually be true, especially given nobody's actually shot down this rumor from the team, instead stating their need for "authenticity and diversity", like with the Cowboy Bebop reboot. Although it is speculated that these were test scripts given out to the actors so that they wouldn't know they were auditioning for an Avatar project.

Me personally? I think that shit's cope, and I'm excited to see this trainwreck if all of the above ends up being remotely true, but reminder to take this all with a massive grain of salt.

Eh what the hell, I'll bite: what happened there?

If these rumors are true (and given the track record lately I have no doubt they’re true), this might end up competing with The CW’s Powerpuff over who’s the bigger train wreck adaptation of a beloved animated series.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

If these rumors are true (and given the track record lately I have no doubt they’re true), this might end up competing with The CW’s Powerpuff over who’s the bigger train wreck adaptation of a beloved animated series.

If the latter even makes it. The recent news is not a good sign.

 

[Private Pyle]

If the latter even makes it. The recent news is not a good sign.

>The actress who was going to play Blossom ducked out.
On the contrary, this is hilarious news. It’s as if god himself is telling them that this is a bad idea.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

>The actress who was going to play Blossom ducked out.
On the contrary, this is hilarious news. It’s as if god himself is telling them that this is a bad idea.

They're going to keep trying. You and I know this. No matter what happens they will keep trying to get the pilot to series.

 

[Private Pyle]

They're going to keep trying. You and I know this. No matter what happens they will keep trying to get the pilot to series.

Oh believe me, after seeing the sheer amount of effort CW is putting to keep Batgirl on air, I have no doubt they’ll keep trying with Powerpuff. The best we can do is laugh at the ensuing carnage.

This leads to ask; just what is this long standing obsession with turning cartoons and anime into live action? It’s fundamentally flawed on so many levels.

 

[starborn427614]

Oh believe me, after seeing the sheer amount of effort CW is putting to keep Batgirl on air, I have no doubt they’ll keep trying with Powerpuff. The best we can do is laugh at the ensuing carnage.

This leads to ask; just what is this long standing obsession with turning cartoons and anime into live action? It’s fundamentally flawed on so many levels.

Control of the IP, maybe? Maybe they lose the licence if they don't keep churning out content.

 

[Hmofa(g)]

Control of the IP, maybe? Maybe they lose the licence if they don't keep churning out content.

If it's because of IP control, then why not just make another animated show rather than doing a live action one?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

This leads to ask; just what is this long standing obsession with turning cartoons and anime into live action? It’s fundamentally flawed on so many levels.

Control of the IP, maybe? Maybe they lose the licence if they don't keep churning out content.

If it's because of IP control, then why not just make another animated show rather than doing a live action one?

The benefits of reviving an old IP are kind of obvious: there's a built-in audience that's hungry for more content, and that's pretty fucking important now. We're kind of drowning in a sea of entertainment these days; there's so many TV shows, movies, miniseries, and God knows what else, that people don't know what the hell they're supposed to be watching now. Plus, any original property that does come out is up against so many competitors that its chances of success are about the same as a "transgender woman" successfully passing. Which brings me along to my point: remaking or rebooting something that's already well known is a surefire way of attracting desperately needed attention. It becomes your unique selling point, something to help you stand out from the sea of bland, generic shit floating all around you.

In theory, it should be a win-win situation for everyone: fans of the IP should be happy to see their favorite franchise gloriously brought back to life revamped, improved, and modernized. It's like being reunited with your high school sweetheart, but instead of the boring middle-aged marketing consultant with cellulite stretch marks and high functioning alcohol dependency that she's turned into, she's young and beautiful and adventurous again. The studio should be happy too, because not only do they benefit from the work of previous generations and get the chance to bring back something beloved by people all across the world, but they also make a shit ton of money to pay for their drugs and (underage) hookers. Everyone should be a winner, but it all depends on one thing: not fucking it up.

See, people tend to be kind of protective of stuff they enjoy, and they actually get pretty nervous when someone messes with it. Now, it's easy for bitter, lonely, cynical people who've never loved or cared about anything in their entire lives (*cough* SJWs and shill media *cough*) to write this sort of behavior off as "fan entitlement". I mean, how many trashy articles have we read on this very website bemoaning yet another fan backlash to an unpopular remake of an old IP? However, the truth is that it's got less to do with entitlement and more to do with basic human psychology: people naturally form attachments to things that they invest a lot of time in, and the more they invest, the greater the attachment, especially with things that made a big impact on them at a young age.

Watching, say, The Powerpuff Girls as an impressionable young kid for the first time is a lot different from watching as a grown adult with a lifetime of other experiences to water down the impact, and as a result, it stays with you. Naturally, fans like this tend to seek out other like-minded people to share their enthusiasm: they form social media groups and fan clubs, they build websites, write fan fiction, buy merchandise, and go to conventions. It all adds up to a strong sense of investment and emotional attachment and the natural result of attachment is protectiveness. Imagine that I gave your favorite childhood toy to some random stranger with the vague promise that he's gonna do something "very interesting" with it. You're probably gonna feel pretty nervous about that, but then imagine how you'd feel if he totally fucked it up. That's what Disney, The CW, Netflix, et al are doing: they're all fucking up our favorite childhood toys, and demanding that we like them just the same. And then they're shocked when the actual fans say, "no, I wanted you to make improvements to my toy, not shove it up your dog's ass, burn it, and then flush the ashes down the toilet", and leave to watch something else.

TL;DR: The curse of the rebooted IP has its reasons and it has its casualties, but there's a pretty reasonable cure for all of this: