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afghans hate each other but they really hate outsiders
Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.
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The Last Boyscout
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during the Fall of Saigon the shredded documents, containing names and information of all the individual south vietnamese that helped the US forces (even in a mundane way like chauffers and such) were simply left to fly around outside the embassy. later on the Vietcong would manage to reconstruct a fair number of these since they were just floating around in the vicinity for the pickings and happily form a list of people to murder or disappear after the fighting was done.
that was 46 years ago. imagine how retarded the intelligence community is now, for them to predict first something like: "afghan govt. can totally last until the end of the year." then just 2 days ago "uhhh...surely somewhere within 90 days, but I'm sure we got 30 days guise." to us now hearing that it's already basically dissolved and the rats all flee the sinking ship and start destroying papers + documents far FAR too late. I fully expect it to come out that the Taliban recovered complete files of informants and individuals that helped the corrupt regime, simply because the morons 'destroying' them right now genuinely think that deleting files on your computer makes them go away and that these Taliban couldn't possibly have tech-savvy recovery experts among them!
hell, at this point I wouldn't even be surprised if they find those complete files by just going to the recycle bin and clicking 'restore' - that's the level of incompetence I feel the US intelligence community is at right now in light of everything that's happened!
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I wouldn't be surprised if they find everything sitting right out in the open with some shit like "Have Juan burn these" written on a post-it note.
The fucking Glowies are totally retarded, the leadership is inept, and the civilian leadership is goddamn traitors.
Can you imagine being one of those poor bastards sitting right there in the embassy?
You know they don't have the ammo or the heavy weapons to do jack or shit. You know they've already found out they don't have air support off the carriers because some fucking female captain ran a ship aground and everyone who knows how to work has to attend SHARP brieifings and briefings on how to make sure the resident troon doesn't neck themselves.
And you know the civvies are all running around in circles screaming in fear or giving conflicting orders.
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ngl the Taliban must be having so much fun right now, I'm jealous
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Wake up mujahid, we have a city to capture..
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I'm at the point of self loathing for my country and my efforts over there that I'd be ok with all the terps and collaborators being hung from light poles.
Right or wrong ARVN was mostly Catholics trying to fight against Marxists. Yeah they executed prisoners but they weren't fucking little boys.
ANA/ANP are scum by comparison. Fuck them. Fuck their sham government and fuck the current administration. Let it all burn
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Who would have guessed Afghanistan would be the bigger dumpster fire than Iraq. And Iraq was considered the more unnecessary and evil war of the two.
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Honestly not that shocking. The one thing the American military is good at is fighting organized military resistance; put an enemy army in front of it and it will (more often than not) beat the crap out of it, especially when that army happens to be Soviet equipped Iraqi amateur hour.
The problem is such a force isn't designed for postwar occupation. The US military was honed by WW2 and the Korean War to fight legitimate state actors, not asymmetric insurgent groups. Vietnam should've been the wake up call, but Cold War fears interfered with that lesson and then Kissinger-influenced neocons decided that Fukuyama's "end of history" argument was perfect and the right way to
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tfw you'll never ride around naked on the back of a '92 Hilux firing a ZSU-23-2 wildly into the air screaming for allah after defeating a superpower in a decades long war of attrition
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Someone mentioned Iraq. Iraq was stable country before the invasion - brutal, but stable.
Iraq's ISIS inflitration was just tribalism; they'd have ground to a halt as soon as they left the Sunni areas. Not quite as hilariously as when they fucked around with the Kurds and found out.
to tl;dr Sunni/Kurds in the north, Shiite majority in the south. The Sunnis (Saddam's people) fought like hell because they were afraid the Shiites doing to them what they'd been doing the Shiites. The US worked with the existing power structure assure them that wasn't going to happen, and the Sunni's put their lot in with the US & the government. The minute the US truly handed over the keys, the Shiites proceed to go full tribalism and fuck over the north. They put the northern Sunni army under incompetent Shiite commanders who only had being related to someone in power as a job qualification.
ISIS was largely Sunni, so the local population saw no reason to fight against people they had a lot in common with. The soldiers didn't feel a need to fight when their officers panicked and ran.
But ISIS didn't have a plan - they were even worse than getting shit on by the Shiites, and ISIS then proceeded to try to piss off everyone, and that's why they collapsed in about two years (that and a booster shot from US special forces).
There is a reason most Iraqi's when asked who the best modern Iraqi leader was will answer "Paul Bremer" with Saddam as 2nd place.
Anyway, Afghanistan is completely different. The Taliban were already 'in charge' - as much as anyone can be in Afghanistan - so they do have place. They are also running wild on areas that are ethnically aligned with them, and will stall out as they hit areas that aren't. That won't save Kabul.
And thanks to sleepy Joe not holding to the ceasefire time table, the Taliban also have a legitimate case now when they try to gather international support.
Its because the decisions are made by those who don't have to live with the consequences. And have family, friends, and patrons who profit from an ongoing quagmire. So they implement ROE that keeps you from shooting back or stopping them from fucking 8 year old boys. Can't actually shoot the guys laying IEDs because that's the Elder's grandson. Can't actually shoot the Taliban because they are not currently holding an AK, as they've learned you just dump your clip at the nearest NATO forces, drop your weapon, and can't be shot. And can't kill them, no sir, need to question them and then put them into prisons run by the same guys playing both sides.
And lets not get into what the cousinfucking has done to the genepool.
They should have dug up Blackjack Pershing and let him pass out the pork bullets and military govern the place.
Iraq's ISIS inflitration was just tribalism; they'd have ground to a halt as soon as they left the Sunni areas. Not quite as hilariously as when they fucked around with the Kurds and found out.
to tl;dr Sunni/Kurds in the north, Shiite majority in the south. The Sunnis (Saddam's people) fought like hell because they were afraid the Shiites doing to them what they'd been doing the Shiites. The US worked with the existing power structure assure them that wasn't going to happen, and the Sunni's put their lot in with the US & the government. The minute the US truly handed over the keys, the Shiites proceed to go full tribalism and fuck over the north. They put the northern Sunni army under incompetent Shiite commanders who only had being related to someone in power as a job qualification.
ISIS was largely Sunni, so the local population saw no reason to fight against people they had a lot in common with. The soldiers didn't feel a need to fight when their officers panicked and ran.
But ISIS didn't have a plan - they were even worse than getting shit on by the Shiites, and ISIS then proceeded to try to piss off everyone, and that's why they collapsed in about two years (that and a booster shot from US special forces).
There is a reason most Iraqi's when asked who the best modern Iraqi leader was will answer "Paul Bremer" with Saddam as 2nd place.
Anyway, Afghanistan is completely different. The Taliban were already 'in charge' - as much as anyone can be in Afghanistan - so they do have place. They are also running wild on areas that are ethnically aligned with them, and will stall out as they hit areas that aren't. That won't save Kabul.
And thanks to sleepy Joe not holding to the ceasefire time table, the Taliban also have a legitimate case now when they try to gather international support.
Its because the decisions are made by those who don't have to live with the consequences. And have family, friends, and patrons who profit from an ongoing quagmire. So they implement ROE that keeps you from shooting back or stopping them from fucking 8 year old boys. Can't actually shoot the guys laying IEDs because that's the Elder's grandson. Can't actually shoot the Taliban because they are not currently holding an AK, as they've learned you just dump your clip at the nearest NATO forces, drop your weapon, and can't be shot. And can't kill them, no sir, need to question them and then put them into prisons run by the same guys playing both sides.
And lets not get into what the cousinfucking has done to the genepool.
They should have dug up Blackjack Pershing and let him pass out the pork bullets and military govern the place.
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It’s surreal to think that the USA lost to a bunch of nomads with old weapons and motorcycles lmao
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remember that every time a leftist says your AR-15 won't stop the government
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I'm not so sure about the comparisons. Afghanistan was a weird quasi-humanitarian exercise where the military couldn't decide if they were supposed to be shooting people or building schools to teach female empowerment or whatever. A domestic civil war would actually get them to bare their teeth and get serious. Like actual blood lust serious, ideological fight to the death fueled by genuine hatred serious. Would that change the outcome? Probably not, but the situations don't line in that major aspect.
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Its more accurate to say after 20 years and good portion of a trillion dollars, they couldn't turn a bunch of boy-fucking nomads into a force able to avoid giving into stereotypical Arab impulses and actually hold territory against a bunch of nomads with guns.
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No need to spoil the sequel to current events.
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Sort of. It depends on how fucked up the rest of the world is at the time.
If you want to assume USCWII in 10 years, as long as Russia and China continue their current trajectories, they will do their damnest to support the Insurgent side and stymie the government's response, mainly just to fuck with the US government, and be in positions to do it.
I'm not sure what Europe would do. I am not sure if they'd give into their ingrained Eurocuck impulses and also do no-fly-zone shit, or if they'd realized that a strong federal government is the only thing stopping them from speaking Russian and go full bootlicker.
If the rest of the world is imploding, all bets are off.
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Strange seeing so many guys in turbans with such pale complexions.