Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

ManInTheBlarms said:
Yeah it'll be "their problem" for about 10 years until they actually sort it the fuck out because they don't have to worry about what the people back home think about their actions, they can just lie. So suddenly we'll have a middle east under Chinese control, and then when a major war breaks out, all of a sudden they're standing on all of the US ally's front fucking door
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Good fuck em. They thought they could tame these Arabs let them reap what they sow.
 
Sexyphobe said:
The U.S didn't arrive until 2001.
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What?
I think you need to do some research.
The USA has been there since Carter.
Start with reading about Charle Wilson. Him and glowers wanted to give the Soviets their "Vietnam" but we ended up just giving ourselves a 2nd Vietnam 40 years later.
 
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ManInTheBlarms said:
Yeah it'll be "their problem" for about 10 years until they actually sort it the fuck out because they don't have to worry about what the people back home think about their actions, they can just lie. So suddenly we'll have a middle east under Chinese control, and then when a major war breaks out, all of a sudden they're standing on all of the US ally's front fucking door
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"The Middle East is a chaotic Shit hole for Thousands of years"

"The Chinks who themselves have never really had a stable long term government will sort it out somehow."
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
"The Middle East is a chaotic Shit hole for Thousands of years"

"The Chinks who themselves have never really had a stable long term government will sort it out somehow."
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the chinks can sort it out because they are not constrained by gay shit like human rights and optics cuckoldry enforced by fifth column media organisations.

see for comparison, how they are handling their uppity muslim problem with the uighurs, compared to how the europeans are handling their uppity muslim problem with the rapefugees. the difference is night and day, and you would see a similar difference in chinese occupation of the middle east compared to american occupation.
 
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attractive_pneumonia said:
The true goal of this remains the same as ever, they're going to air lift out as many Afghani as possible, they've deliberately chosen two "swing" states to dump them, Wisconsin and Texas, the democrats have no intention of appealing to voters, they're just going to import them. The border is open and they're chartering buses and military flights for these migrants and sending them deep into the interior with this explicit goal in mind. By halting this farce the Taliban would actually be doing the voters a favor.
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Most of the boat people were Republican.
 
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Ghostse said:
A C17 is very vulnerable on take off and landing. The entire country is owned by the Taliban, and there are also rogue former government forces.

So far, the Taliban have been keeping a tight reign on their "core" forces - no attacks on foreigners, no going wild on the civilians, they are being very disciplined and the Taliban leadership is communicating.
But there is no one Taliban. There are a bunch of warlords. The Taliban have clearly put the most level-headed, least kill all infidels commanders and troops in Kabul. who the fuck knows who is in charge - if anyone - out in the boonies.

So you land a C17 on an improvised landing strip. Load it up. Send it up, and it gets MANPAD'ed or just Soviet AA'ed.
Now what, smart guy?

In a very real sense they should have tanks and MRAPS and thunderrun everyone out to China, but that's got its own level of hell. You could try another *Stan, but they are not going to want to piss off the new political force and they are not going to want Afghans in their borders.

There are other geopolitical calculations to consider (principally about people putting their feet on your territory and you now having responsibility for them even if they aren't your citizens) but I don't feel like getting into them.
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C-17's has a combat flight school course for these type of scenarios. Also the C-17 is designed to take hits. A lot of the wiring and such is routed in such a way as to help avoid being knocked out by a few hits. There is also armor mods that are easily installed for it, granted thats more for the crew than the cargo. Also has some sort of Laser ECM system (not an ECM troop) along with the normal compliment of Flares. It's not as easy as people are making it sound to knock a C-17 out on Take off, its possible just not that easy. Honestly if they were going to hit these planes anyways they would just hit them when they are getting loaded, a sitting target is an easier one even with engines running.
 
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DumbDude42 said:
you referring to south vietnam evacuees? these had a strong anti communist position due to their alignment with the south vietnamese state.
more importatly, vietnamese are actual humans, very unlike the creatures that inhabit afghanistan
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It's worth noting the Dems fought against importing them from Vietnam for this reason. I'd wager it's also why Nigger Obama removed a policy that granted Cubans political asylum if they made it to the US.
 
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DumbDude42 said:
the chinks can sort it out because they are not constrained by gay shit like human rights and optics cuckoldry enforced by fifth column media organisations.

see for comparison, how they are handling their uppity muslim problem with the uighurs, compared to how the europeans are handling their uppity muslim problem with the rapefugees. the difference is night and day, and you would see a similar difference in chinese occupation of the middle east compared to american occupation.
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The bugmen have no demonstrable competence at warfighting, especially over a prolonged period. They are good at parade marching and pushing around blacks, but China hasn't been bloodied up since the late 1970s (and the Vietnamese sent them packing).

How will they do against an organization that not only fights dirty and long, but is being (covertly) backed by another nuclear-armed nation (Pakistan)? I suspect the Chinese morale would break faster than the U.S.'s did.
 
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Pentex said:
The bugmen have no demonstrable competence at warfighting, especially over a prolonged period. They are good at parade marching and pushing around blacks, but China hasn't been bloodied up since the late 1970s (and the Vietnamese sent them packing).

How will they do against an organization that not only fights dirty and long, but is being (covertly) backed by another nuclear-armed nation (Pakistan)? I suspect the Chinese morale would break faster than the U.S.'s did.
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possible, yeah. after all the afghans also broke the soviets before they broke the americans, and the ussr was a lot more ruthless than the burgers, so maybe i'm being too optimistic for china here.

still, the chinks don't shy away from genociding their uighur problem out of existence, so i still think they might well find a way to make trouble disappear if they ever decided to invade and occupy. not sure whether they will actually do it though, only time will tell i guess
 
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Article on Afghan embassy in Tajikistan.
Eurasianet.org: Interview: Afghanistan’s ambassador to Tajikistan rejects Taliban rule
Archive: https://archive.md/X2TNP

Uzbekistan's stance on Afghan refugees:
AP: Uzbekistan not keen to admit Afghan refugees fleeing Taliban
Archive: https://archive.md/Mpnpt

Afghanistan protests, food insecurities, possible resistance movements and economic gloom.
AP: Afghans protest Taliban in emerging challenge to their rule
Archive: https://archive.md/iSmyB

And finally an opinion piece by former Chief of Station and CIA’s Counterterrorism Chief for South and Southwest Asia, Douglas London. The White House of both Trump and Biden Administrations knew more about the risk of pulling out so quickly then either have let on.
Justsecurity.org: CIA’s Former Counterterrorism Chief for the Region: Afghanistan, Not An Intelligence Failure — Something Much Worse
Archive: https://archive.md/vpzU3

Edit: I think this thread is going by too quickly for meaningful conversations about the more particular stories of the day. Anyone else?
 
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ManInTheBlarms said:
Yeah it'll be "their problem" for about 10 years until they actually sort it the fuck out because they don't have to worry about what the people back home think about their actions, they can just lie. So suddenly we'll have a middle east under Chinese control, and then when a major war breaks out, all of a sudden they're standing on all of the US ally's front fucking door
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
"The Middle East is a chaotic Shit hole for Thousands of years"

"The Chinks who themselves have never really had a stable long term government will sort it out somehow."
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wow! we got two political heavyweights from the university of wikipedia in the ring.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Joe Rogan doesn't do ringside commentary.
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of course he does, he just does commentary for a real sport
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DumbDude42 said:
the chinks can sort it out because they are not constrained by gay shit like human rights and optics cuckoldry enforced by fifth column media organisations.

see for comparison, how they are handling their uppity muslim problem with the uighurs, compared to how the europeans are handling their uppity muslim problem with the rapefugees. the difference is night and day, and you would see a similar difference in chinese occupation of the middle east compared to american occupation.
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Bruh how many .50 checks are you after in this thread?
 
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