Serious LGBT Discussion

[Puerto Pollo]

What do you guys think of onlyfans gay porn stars having sex with ftm while claiming that it's gay sex?

Imagine not only having women in your fucking gay porn, but mutilated women larping as men.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

I believe that homosexuality is the result of a toxoplasma type parasite or virus which is why so many homosexuals rape children.
I believe, much like toxoplasma gondii causes rats (and women) to become attracted to the scent of cat urine, this virus or parasite in homosexuals alter carries on a micro-biological level causing them to become physically aroused at the sight of the rectum of men because of the social connotations of pedophilia which is the parasite's actual choice for maturation. Why does this parasite seek out children? I believe it has to do with the gut flora. I suspect the gut flora of children provides a more suitable environment for the larvae of whatever parasite afflicts homosexuals to develop, and then go dormant as the child matures, living just long enough to reproduce, and create eggs, or larvae within the adult host but dying off due to the adult body's gut flora.

I believe this is why homosexuals are also depraved, I've seen youtube videos from these people, they're debauched phallic-obsessed semen swallowers. A person only has to scratch the surface of the gay internet to see these people brag about "sucking off 5 guys at one party"
Semen must have an effect on the gut flora that allows the parasite to continue the first part of it's life cycle.

I believe AIDS doesn't actually exist, AIDS is just the parasites terminating the host after the host has fulfilled it's purpose.

I think this explains all of the behaviours of homosexuals. I also believe that the reason regions like Rome and Greece were so rife with pederasty and homosexuality in antiquity is because entire populations became carriers of this parasite, and when Christianity came in, homosexuals were purged en masse. This is also why you don't hear about a lot of pederasty coming out of Germania and Gaul at the time, because there's archeological evidence that Germania stuffed homosexuals into wicker baskets and chucked them into a bog as related by both Tacitus and Plutarch on tribes like the Cimbri.

Now I believe, since homosexuals are tolerated, this disease is going to keep spreading and spreading until it again becomes universal, just like Greece, Sparta in particular, where young boys were routinely and religiously raped as part of their initiation into warrior society by their assigned mentor.
Then... The Islamic wave will purify the West just as the Eastern/Mesopotamian Christians purified the decadent Meds

Contender for random_text.txt? Seriously, I have no idea if this post in the other thread is serious but it cracked me up so hard. I was making dinner earlier and kept thinking about it and laughing. I've decided to adopt the grand theory of the kiddy-diddler buttsecks toxoplasma parasite for the next week and see where it takes me.

 

[Unabashed Hermaphrodite]

Contender for random_text.txt? Seriously, I have no idea if this post in the other thread is serious but it cracked me up so hard. I was making dinner earlier and kept thinking about it and laughing. I've decided to adopt the grand theory of the kiddy-diddler buttsecks toxoplasma parasite for the next week and see where it takes me.

So you see that he's rped as a girl here but is a doxed man right?

You're going with a tranny's theory?

 

[waywardfeline]

i feel like i'm the blacksheep of the trans movement because i couldn't give a shit if anyone but me and the people close to me consider me valid, what do i care if someone on the internet thinks i'm mutilated or some shit. i made my choice, im happy in my choice, happier with myself than i have been since puberty, and that's what should matter in the end, not the opinion of the rest of the world. i feel like if more trans people just stopped giving a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks and just stick to their own friend group who already cares then most transfolk will be a lot happier too.

 

[Joan Nyan]

What do you guys think of onlyfans gay porn stars having sex with ftm while claiming that it's gay sex?

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[dex_]

What do you guys think of onlyfans gay porn stars having sex with ftm while claiming that it's gay sex?

i wouldnt have difficulty getting it up but I wouldn’t want to give any of these troons the validation for it so Hard pass thanks

 

[Kornula]

These may not be the deep, thunk-provoking thoughts this thread is looking for but they are my thoughts.

I support LGBT people having rights. You want to be called a woman and cut your dick off? Fine by me. You think you're an androgynous, sexless person and want to be referred to as they/them? Go for it. Life is too short and complicated to be worried about what two consenting adults do in their own bedrooms and what complete strangers do to their genitals. It is of no concern to me, I have bigger fish to fry than what some random online wants to be called or who someone wants to fuck.

The community though? Too much infighting and a good chunk of them need to learn how to keep their pup and bondage gear in their rooms and off the streets, and pointing these issues out as a cisgender heterosexual makes most of them MATI. You do not have to be part of a community to see the problems within and want to see it get better. I'm noticing a trend of hypersexuality, and it's harming those of us that just want to live a normal life without being harassed. As much as they irk me, I can't help but be sympathetic towards them and feel they need a lot of therapy.

Also makes no goddamn sense to get offended by people online using homophobic, transphobic slurs while in the same breath wishing for all cishets to die in a fire. Idk, I expect someone to have much thicker skin if they're publicly saying they hate all cishets and want them to become An hero.

TL;DR: I don't have the energy to care what you do to your genitals or whose faces you're rubbing them in, just don't be a twat to other people and don't parade bondage gear down the street.

Edit: Added a few more thoughts.

As a gay man, I totally agree with you! Ever since I've been out (1982) Every single fucking faggot would cry: "Don't tell me what I can or can't do in my bedroom" ...and then parade around buck naked at every pride event...

I don't care what anyone does in the PRIVACY of their own houses (with the curtains down) But parading naked in public for the past 40 years is a huge contradiction they refuse to acknowledge.

@NoirDragFreak

I love your notion that gays are fetishizing the Nuclear Family. I thought they wanted to break free of that model and make their own.. now they want validation? That does sound like some serious issues there.
Personally, I like not having the pressure to get married at all. I would like a steady boyfriend now ...but I kinda like having random sex. Espcially when most the gay guys I have attempted to date were fucking insane.

 

[Alkaline Cab]

i feel like i'm the blacksheep of the trans movement because i couldn't give a shit if anyone but me and the people close to me consider me valid, what do i care if someone on the internet thinks i'm mutilated or some shit. i made my choice, im happy in my choice, happier with myself than i have been since puberty, and that's what should matter in the end, not the opinion of the rest of the world. i feel like if more trans people just stopped giving a fuck about what the rest of the world thinks and just stick to their own friend group who already cares then most transfolk will be a lot happier too.

Here's the big question: are they actually happy with themselves?
It's no secret that depression and 41%'ing are common for trannies.
If you've heard of any detrans cases before, then you should know that 1. people can genuinely think they are dysphoric and should go through treatment, and 2. not have transition be the correct choice for them.
With depression / lonely inceldom being obviously co-morbid with dysphoria (at least, online), I'll leave you to connect the dots.
also, would somebody with a "real" friend group be the one to seek validation, ie attention?

 

[waywardfeline]

Here's the big question: are they actually happy with themselves?
It's no secret that depression and 41%'ing are common for trannies.
If you've heard of any detrans cases before, then you should know that 1. people can genuinely think they are dysphoric and should go through treatment, and 2. not have transition be the correct choice for them.
With depression / lonely inceldom being obviously co-morbid with dysphoria (at least, online), I'll leave you to connect the dots.
also, would somebody with a "real" friend group be the one to seek validation, ie attention?

i don't know if they are actually happy or not, that's on them to figure that out. my point was i can only speak for myself, my experiences, etc.
no, it's not uncommon, but within the statistics for that, it's 41%ing are ones who do feel dysphoria and arent given the chance to even try and see if it's for them. so i guess i see your point but it can get pretty depressing when you'd want to at least try and theres layer upon layer preventing it. if they try and it aint for them oh well, or not even at all, its a lot deeper than just trans people are depressed.
i dont see inceldom and trans folk being remotely the same. if you wanna explain how you came up with that conclusion feel free.
and no they wouldn't, i guess they need better friends

 

[Noir drag freak]

@NoirDragFreak

I love your notion that gays are fetishizing the Nuclear Family. I thought they wanted to break free of that model and make their own.. now they want validation? That does sound like some serious issues there.
Personally, I like not having the pressure to get married at all. I would like a steady boyfriend now ...but I kinda like having random sex. Espcially when most the gay guys I have attempted to date were fucking insane.

I didn't come up with the "idea of fetishizing the Nuclear Family". I came across the idea when listening to a conversation in twitter space. I don't it's validation per se. Part of it has to do with an inferiority complex. I think gay men tend to be high achievers because we feel that we're lacking and need to make up for it in some way. The whole fetishization fits into that.

This leads me to ask what type of Narrative should gay men create? How can we create a fourth way? We sorta of did that in the 1900s and somewhat in the 1970s.


@Real Gay Autist
I really want to hear your thoughts on this.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

Part of it has to do with an inferiority complex. I think gay men tend to be high achievers because we feel that we're lacking and need to make up for it in some way. The whole fetishization fits into that.

I think that makes sense. It does feel like gays often strive for perfection to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth or chronic feelings of shame. Having a Perfect Gay Family©—two husbands with a perfect sixpack, house with the picket fence, dog, 1.5 pseudobiological children—is a kind of reductio ad absurdum argument for being a worthwhile human while also being gay. It's too much of a performance. Often, we're told that the shame and low self-esteem which drives this perfectionism originate from societal homophobia. It makes sense in this view that overcoming internalized and societal homophobia leads to less shame and more self-esteem and a consequent reduction in perfectionist behavior. Gays who have gone done a kind of inner work, it could be argued, will be freer to choose what kind of life they want to live without the pressure of so much of a reaction formation to homophobia and shame. They may end up choosing to do the same thing, or something only slightly different, but it will be coming from a more authentic place rather than 'keeping up appearances'.

This leads me to ask what type of Narrative should gay men create? How can we create a fourth way? We sorta of did that in the 1900s and somewhat in the 1970s.

The process of inner work I've described above might result in gays who are more free to come up with what you call a 'Fourth Way' of being - one which comes from an authentic expression of self. Probably, if we imagine that gays are a pretty diverse population, this will look different to different people depending on factors like personality, culture, sociosexuality. So perhaps the Fourth Way is not one-size-fits-all but, instead, just giving people the stable, healthy psychological terrain upon which to build what they feel is an authentic life.

But I'd hate to end on such an optimistic and positive note. Another, related, view of gay being high achievers is not so popular. Let's assume that homosexuality is a kind of narcissistic inversion (following Freud et seq., but not strictly). In that view, gays' tendency to perfectionism is not so much the result of external factors (e.g. homophobia) but instead inherent to the condition of being a fag. The shame, for which the perfectionism compensates, is also inherent - by this I don't mean that you're born with it but only that it's such a deep personality structure that it's practically immutable. It is this narcissistic personality structure which underlies a raft of behaviors including homosexuality, perfectionism, superficiality, depressive episodes, etc.

Rubinstein (J. Sex Marital Ther. 2010;36(1):24-34; SciHub) found that "homosexual students score higher in both measures of narcissism and lower on the self-esteem measure, compared to their heterosexual counterparts", though this study has been roundly criticized by e.g. Drescher (J. Sex Marital Ther. 2010;36(1):38-47; SciHub) for, notably, its "pedestrian" understanding of psychoanalytic theories of narcissism. I think lots of Drescher's criticism applies but the study is nevertheless interesting. Rubistein puts forward a few interpretations for his findings, which fit neatly with our discussion here: (1) "homosexuals who are dominated by the pursuit of pleasure have impaired frustration tolerance, and poor self-esteem regulation would be considered narcissistic" (the argument for this in the paper is not clear but I read what he's saying as supporting a view that homosexuality is a manifestation of narcissism) (2) gay men "develop narcissistic traits of personality in response to the oppressive homophobic power of the heterosexual society" (hence the Perfect Gay Family©); (3) gay narcissism is adaptive because "the visual demands and standards within the gay community force gay men to take care of their appearance to an extent that may augment, nurture, and even induce narcissism" (which, actually, I think is a bit of a circular argument - if the culture is narcissistic, aren't the individuals who co-construct that culture also narcissistic?). The point of this digression is to say that I don't think it's as simple as gay high-achievers reacting to societal homophobia; there's certainly more at play for each individual and, perhaps, there is a relationship between narcissistic personality traits and homosexuality which can also explain why homosexuals tend toward grandiosity and superficiality. I have a lot of takes on homosexuality and narcissism but my autism has already got the better of me so I'll hold myself back, for now.

 

[Kornula]

Y'all are giving me raging broners!!

 

[Noir drag freak]

I think that makes sense. It does feel like gays often strive for perfection to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth or chronic feelings of shame. Having a Perfect Gay Family©—two husbands with a perfect sixpack, house with the picket fence, dog, 1.5 pseudobiological children—is a kind of reductio ad absurdum argument for being a worthwhile human while also being gay. It's too much of a performance. Often, we're told that the shame and low self-esteem which drives this perfectionism originate from societal homophobia. It makes sense in this view that overcoming internalized and societal homophobia leads to less shame and more self-esteem and a consequent reduction in perfectionist behavior. Gays who have gone done a kind of inner work, it could be argued, will be freer to choose what kind of life they want to live without the pressure of so much of a reaction formation to homophobia and shame. They may end up choosing to do the same thing, or something only slightly different, but it will be coming from a more authentic place rather than 'keeping up appearances'.

The process of inner work I've described above might result in gays who are more free to come up with what you call a 'Fourth Way' of being - one which comes from an authentic expression of self. Probably, if we imagine that gays are a pretty diverse population, this will look different to different people depending on factors like personality, culture, sociosexuality. So perhaps the Fourth Way is not one-size-fits-all but, instead, just giving people the stable, healthy psychological terrain upon which to build what they feel is an authentic life.

The Fourth way would be true freedom so it makes sense that it wouldn't be contained in one giant or grand narrative. Right now, it feels like I'm trapped .

But I'd hate to end on such an optimistic and positive note.

Another, related, view of gay being high achievers is not so popular. Let's assume that homosexuality is a kind of narcissistic inversion (following Freud et seq., but not strictly). In that view, gays' tendency to perfectionism is not so much the result of external factors (e.g. homophobia) but instead inherent to the condition of being a fag. The shame, for which the perfectionism compensates, is also inherent - by this I don't mean that you're born with it but only that it's such a deep personality structure that it's practically immutable. It is this narcissistic personality structure which underlies a raft of behaviors including homosexuality, perfectionism, superficiality, depressive episodes, etc.

Rubinstein (J. Sex Marital Ther. 2010;36(1):24-34; SciHub) found that "homosexual students score higher in both measures of narcissism and lower on the self-esteem measure, compared to their heterosexual counterparts", though this study has been roundly criticized by e.g. Drescher (J. Sex Marital Ther. 2010;36(1):38-47; SciHub) for, notably, its "pedestrian" understanding of psychoanalytic theories of narcissism. I think lots of Drescher's criticism applies but the study is nevertheless interesting. Rubistein puts forward a few interpretations for his findings, which fit neatly with our discussion here: (1) "homosexuals who are dominated by the pursuit of pleasure have impaired frustration tolerance, and poor self-esteem regulation would be considered narcissistic" (the argument for this in the paper is not clear but I read what he's saying as supporting a view that homosexuality is a manifestation of narcissism) (2) gay men "develop narcissistic traits of personality in response to the oppressive homophobic power of the heterosexual society" (hence the Perfect Gay Family©); (3) gay narcissism is adaptive because "the visual demands and standards within the gay community force gay men to take care of their appearance to an extent that may augment, nurture, and even induce narcissism" (which, actually, I think is a bit of a circular argument - if the culture is narcissistic, aren't the individuals who co-construct that culture also narcissistic?). The point of this digression is to say that I don't think it's as simple as gay high-achievers reacting to societal homophobia; there's certainly more at play for each individual and, perhaps, there is a relationship between narcissistic personality traits and homosexuality which can also explain why homosexuals tend toward grandiosity and superficiality. I have a lot of takes on homosexuality and narcissism but my autism has already got the better of me so I'll hold myself back, for now.

Narcissism is a coping mechanism. So I think that it possible for all three hypothesis to be true. A child has a tendency towards narcissistic personality traits grows up in an environment where those traits were needed to survive. I think that too much self-awareness in childhood is linked to the development of narcissism which could lead to homosexuality. There is a reason why homosexuals tend to say that they knew they were different in childhood.

 

[Noir drag freak]

A strange thought, I think that while gays have their problems. I don't think that it's bad as the relationship dynamics that heterosexual couples have. For one thing, I notice that there is a constant source of conflict between men and women. My sympathies are with women due to my past. Not to say that there aren't any good men. But I do think that heterosexuals make things needlessly complicated.

 

[Real Gay Autist]

The Fourth way would be true freedom so it makes sense that it wouldn't be contained in one giant or grand narrative. Right now, it feels like I'm trapped .

"What sets one man free is another man's prison" - C. G. Jung (CW18¶163)

A strange thought, I think that while gays have their problems. I don't think that it's bad as the relationship dynamics that heterosexual couples have. For one thing, I notice that there is a constant source of conflict between men and women. My sympathies are with women due to my past. Not to say that there aren't any good men. But I do think that heterosexuals make things needlessly complicated.

I kinda know what you mean: like, at least gays get a head start on seeing through arbitrary relationship conventions and roles. But, tbh, I don't feel I have enough evidence to really make this claim across the board - I know people in good and fucked-up relationships and no correlation with sexuality appears for me.

Another, totally unrelated question: why are so many gay guys I meet so into incest? I find it disturbing and weird; I'm not really judgemental about sex usually but for me this feels super-creepy. Like, a really large number of gay gays I've talked to have fantasies about fucking their (imaginary) brother/cousin/uncle/dad, watch incest porn (see FamilyDick, which has millions of videos), want to hear all about me and my brother sharing a bedroom when we were younger... does my autism mean I just gravitate towards weirdos? Am I being prude? Is there some link between homosexuality & incest (in4 I sperg about narcissism again)?

 

[Shiversblood]

why are so many gay guys I meet so into incest? Am I being prude?

No. You are not being prude. You would be a monster if you thought homosexual incest is ok. Incest is bad.

Have you ever heard of a man named Christian Weston Chandler? He thought incest was ok. He is in jail now.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

No. You are not being prude. You would be a monster if you thought homosexual incest is ok. Incest is bad.

Have you ever heard of a man named Christian Weston Chandler? He thought incest was ok. He is in jail now.

Gay incest though? Who really cares if Frick is sucking Frack's wang? I mean no "interbreeding" is going to result right?

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

"What sets one man free is another man's prison" - C. G. Jung (CW18¶163)

I kinda know what you mean: like, at least gays get a head start on seeing through arbitrary relationship conventions and roles. But, tbh, I don't feel I have enough evidence to really make this claim across the board - I know people in good and fucked-up relationships and no correlation with sexuality appears for me.

Another, totally unrelated question: why are so many gay guys I meet so into incest? I find it disturbing and weird; I'm not really judgemental about sex usually but for me this feels super-creepy. Like, a really large number of gay gays I've talked to have fantasies about fucking their (imaginary) brother/cousin/uncle/dad, watch incest porn (see FamilyDick, which has millions of videos), want to hear all about me and my brother sharing a bedroom when we were younger... does my autism mean I just gravitate towards weirdos? Am I being prude? Is there some link between homosexuality & incest (in4 I sperg about narcissism again)?

I'm not into incest, but, it probably stems from some familial problem as a kid. Not a psycho whatever, however, the people I know who were into it were either raised in a single parent home, had huge age gaps between siblings, or an imbalance in parental upbringing.

 

[ProtonMailManTheSequel]

Another, totally unrelated question: why are so many gay guys I meet so into incest? I find it disturbing and weird; I'm not really judgemental about sex usually but for me this feels super-creepy. Like, a really large number of gay gays I've talked to have fantasies about fucking their (imaginary) brother/cousin/uncle/dad, watch incest porn (see FamilyDick, which has millions of videos), want to hear all about me and my brother sharing a bedroom when we were younger... does my autism mean I just gravitate towards weirdos? Am I being prude? Is there some link between homosexuality & incest (in4 I sperg about narcissism again)?

One further thought--it sounds like you're not talking about people who are fantasizing about committing actual, factual incest (i.e. fucking their mom or their dad or baby brother) but rather fantasizing about the idea of "incest" i.e. some unrelated person fucking HIS brother or father or whatever (or you in a bedroom with your baby brother). Which is weird enough as it is I guess.

Anyway I don't have a dog in this fight (all the family member I used to fuck have moved on) but thought that was an interesting point.

Puerto Pollo said:
Imagine not only having women in your fucking gay porn, but mutilated women larping as men.

"I would prefer not to."

Bartleby the Scrivener.

Kiwi & Cow said:

Civil marriage is only there to legally allow gay people to be together it doesn't infrige anyone's freedom as far as I care. I've yet to see a single compelling argument against gay marriage that doesn't rely on religious talking points.

Marriage is supposed to be about children. There is a fear that gay couples want to adopt kids to accessorize--they want to adopt or surrogate kids like they want to get a greyhound puppy so they can put that fabulous faux diamond studded collar around his neck. I lived in a the gayest city in the world for ten years and I have to tell you that there does actually appear to be something to this--however ti would be pretty impossible to quantify. That's the only thing that gave me (a fag-friendly atheist) pause on the gay marriage thing.
On the other hand, I haven't been reading about any epidemics of abused and neglected young faggot-adoptees, so perhaps the concern was over--uh--'blown."

 

[Wallace]

Marriage is supposed to be about children. There is a fear that gay couples want to adopt kids to accessorize--they want to adopt or surrogate kids like they want to get a greyhound puppy so they can put that fabulous faux diamond studded collar around his neck. I lived in a the gayest city in the world for ten years and I have to tell you that there does actually appear to be something to this--however ti would be pretty impossible to quantify. That's the only thing that gave me (a fag-friendly atheist) pause on the gay marriage thing.
On the whole, I haven't been reading about any epidemics of abused and neglected young faggot-adoptees, so perhaps the concern was over--uh--'blown."

In all fairness, a lot of straight couples view their children as fashion accessories too. It's not exclusively a gay thing.