Taliban offensive of 2021 and collapse of Afghan government.

[Ghostse]

I remember reading a book about this time period, there was a section about the Russian military and political class, namely the ex-Soviets now out of power and the current leadership. The ex-Soviets were absolutely gobsmacked at how advanced the American and NATO military had become over the 80s and this was the thunderbolt out of the blue that made them realize that leveraging the Soviet economy towards military goods as hard as they had been doing was not enough, and that American open economics of the 20th century was far superior. They were still furious the various SSR had split off and held that as a grave sin but Desert Storm was the moment they realized communism was a fucked system that could not be redeemed and mostly stopped trying to run coups.

It was happening even before:
There is a great book by a Soviet Defector who flew a Mig-25 to Japan

MiG Pilot: The Final Escape of Lieutenant Belenko - Wikipedia

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(Note the commies haven't bothered to fill in any details here)
And he talks about how the F-14 didn't just outclass every soviet fighter, but it outclassed every fighter they were planning to make. And then they got the specs for the F-15.


I'll mention my favorite part:
As a fighter pilot, Viktor was in the upper strata of Russian society for people who weren't born into connected families. He was in the top 5% of russian society. When he was brought over to the US by the CIA, they sequestered him in bumfuck Virginia, just a random small town. He had no clothes, so they took him shopping. The store was nicer than anything he'd ever seen before, and so he assumed this was an American 'model town, a fake town designed to impress him and exclusively for use by the CIA & other elites, so he kept looking around asking question to try to trip up his handler.
His handler, knowing this man was from the elite of the USSR, assumed he was unhappy with the paltry display and told him not to worry, this was just to get him new clothes for a few days. They'd take him to a nicer store later.

Desert storm was Bush realizing that all our coolest shit:
GPS, F-117, etc was about to be obsoleted without ever being deployed.
Bush Sr. loved playing with his toys to be sure.

 

[дядя Боря]

I remember reading a book about this time period, there was a section about the Russian military and political class, namely the ex-Soviets now out of power and the current leadership. The ex-Soviets were absolutely gobsmacked at how advanced the American and NATO military had become over the 80s and this was the thunderbolt out of the blue that made them realize that leveraging the Soviet economy towards military goods as hard as they had been doing was not enough, and that American open economics of the 20th century was far superior. They were still furious the various SSR had split off and held that as a grave sin but Desert Storm was the moment they realized communism was a fucked system that could not be redeemed and mostly stopped trying to run coups.

I won't powerlevel, but high level Soviet military had pretty good idea what their NATO counterparts were doing, down to salary/compensation in various ranks. Desert Storm wasn't the first time Soviet advisors sold shitty hardware in the middle east and frankly goatfuckers will goatfuck with the best of shit, anyway.

American "open market" isn't exactly open market, especially for military and high end .gov contracts. You need to know people, right people. I'd go as far as to say that Soviet arms developers collaborated more openly than their counterparts in the West. For consumer goods, it's different, but not for military.

 

[gaystoner]

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well now he can write a book being a vocal critic of the military/biden leadership when thats very IN right now while also doing nightly news spots. Not a bad idea and honestly, while profitable, very needed. Vocal critics with direct experience gain traction more than 'E celebs'.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

American "open market" isn't exactly open market, especially for military and high end .gov contracts. You need to know people, right people. I'd go as far as to say that Soviet arms developers collaborated more openly than their counterparts in the West. For consumer goods, it's different, but not for military.

I don't mean "open market" in that we were selling high end F-15s like a hotdog stand, I mean that the government only intervened to handle unethical shit, the US economy was just a perpetual motion machine that the government reaped taxes off the top and then just purchased services from. Boeing was capable of surviving without direct government help, in the Soviet systems these companies could not exist.

 

[дядя Боря]

And he talks about how the F-14 didn't just outclass every soviet fighter, but it outclassed every fighter they were planning to make. And then they got the specs for the F-15.

True, and obviously it was cheaper for KGB to maintain the rumor of superiority than actually be technically superior. Soviet military doctrine was different. One of their greatest strength was expendable population in a war of attrition. Plus old skool generals insisted that plugging machine gun nests with bodies totally works and there is no reason to deviate from it.

I'll mention my favorite part:
As a fighter pilot, Viktor was in the upper strata of Russian society for people who weren't born into connected families. He was in the top 5% of russian society.

I doubt that it was 5%, he was def. top of regular forces, but they lead fairly ascetic lifestyle and KGB would be on their ass 24/7. He was 2nd leutenant too, not very high in rank at all, something that he was butthurt about.

Harvy Oswald had some great notes about Soviet society once he got asylum in USSR. They gave him assload of money, no show job, a hot wife but dude was just miserable as hell. He had money but no way to spend it, all Soviet planned market consumer things were total shit even if you could buy them, no night clubs, no gambling. Also, because KGB was following him, he could not even get into some underground clubs to have good time, like would any member of criminal world. You literally could not just go and buy a car or furniture, you had to wait in line for years.

 

[дядя Боря]

I don't mean "open market" in that we were selling high end F-15s like a hotdog stand, I mean that the government only intervened to handle unethical shit, the US economy was just a perpetual motion machine that the government reaped taxes off the top and then just purchased services from. Boeing was capable of surviving without direct government help, in the Soviet systems these companies could not exist.

a lot of US companies could survive without .gov contracts, but not prosper like they are. Once you are on the gravy train, it's your cash cow and you can afford all kinds of things.

IMHO, US .gov throwing money around does attract enough people who want to get unto the action and best emerging tech. if .gov needs something, basically money is not an object to get it done. The largesse of Uncle Sam's wallet IS directly dependent on the free market though and the health of the the American economy.


Soviet union is just a big GULAG. There is a reason why one could not just leave it, like Norks. No worries, soon enough US will get there.

 

[Cubanodun]

why is she still a thing

Because lets be real, she must be fucking her way up, there is no way that mouthbreather is there by merits alone

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Soviet union is just a big GULAG. There is a reason why one could not just leave it, like Norks. No worries, soon enough US will get there.

I'm sure TPTB would love to make it one but Americans are such assholes it wouldn't work. Not the way they'd like it to anyway.

 

[Dona Morte]

Veteran operation doing what gov. will not do timeline via Posobiec

Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸 on Twitter: "BREAKING: US Special Forces veterans …

archived 28 Aug 2021 04:29:47 UTC

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[Racist Trash]

Britain pulls the plug on Kabul airlift: UK will start getting soldiers out of Airport

Was there anything more about the bong troops the us generals were whining about?

 

[Ghostse]

I doubt that it was 5%, he was def. top of regular forces, but they lead fairly ascetic lifestyle and KGB would be on their ass 24/7. He was 2nd leutenant too, not very high in rank at all, something that he was butthurt about.

Harvy Oswald had some great notes about Soviet society once he got asylum in USSR. They gave him assload of money, no show job, a hot wife but dude was just miserable as hell. He had money but no way to spend it, all Soviet planned market consumer things were total shit even if you could buy them, no night clubs, no gambling. Also, because KGB was following him, he could not even get into some underground clubs to have good time, like would any member of criminal world. You literally could not just go and buy a car or furniture, you had to wait in line for years.

Soviet population was around 300,000,00; he was living better than the average non-connected civie, and better than any enlisted Soldier, so I'd find it very doubtful there were more than 15,000,000 soviet citizens living better off than he was, being that he got a house, a car, etc.

And he was sort of grunting it up, but he was still up there. Soviets treated their pilots as elites because they didn't want them doing what Beleshenko ended up doing: defecting to the west with their hardware.
Ad yeah, he was stuck at 2nd LT because he didn't have any political connects.

a lot of US companies could survive without .gov contracts, but not prosper like they are. Once you are on the gravy train, it's your cash cow and you can afford all kinds of things.

The real beauty of a government contract isn't the dollars, its that the dollars keep showing up regular. They don't just buy an airplane, they buy the extended warranty, so you have a steady income stream for the next 5 years.

 

[grump]

They're actually trying to float the trial balloon of giving Biden credit as the President who finally 'got us out' of Afghanistan. Not as an ironic joke, seriously.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

I've seen tweets stating that the US is handing control of the airport to the Taliban and will cut and run in the next 24 hours, also the Taliban have gone full shutdown and apparently has prevented anyone from approaching the airport at all, Westerner or otherwise, they've also asked Turkey and Qatar for assistance with the airport. I suspect they want to get the airport running again as a civilian institution and let Westerners just leave normally, which would be a rather humiliating thing for the Biden administration who just drove itself into histrionics, got a bunch of military killed only for the Taliban to just let people leave uncontested as if it was a regular day at the airport.

 

[Miss Misery]

I keep starting and revising a comment and then deleting and starting over again and the only consistent thought that's remained throughout all of them is dear god just get my little brother home safely.

 

[derpherp2]

I hear they have to keep rotating them out, because sites like /pol/ and the farms keep redpilling them if they're allowed to read them uninterrupted for too long.

The problem with this method of rotation is that it doesn't make them magically forget what they agreed with on 4ch0n.
It just makes them more curious about it.

Bolton Blames Trump for Afghanistan Chaos — ‘Negotiated This Deal Only with the Taliban’​

Bolton Blames Trump for Afghanistan Chaos -- 'Negotiated This Deal On…

archived 28 Aug 2021 02:26:32 UTC

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Obama Defense Secretary Leon Panetta: U.S. Forces Will Have to Return to Afghanistan​

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archived 28 Aug 2021 02:31:41 UTC

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I have seen MANY reports that Trump made this deal to trap Biden.
I........... do..............not..............care.
Without this deal we would have NEVER left.

They really think blaming trump for the deal is going to work?
They're really hinging on people not asking WHAT the deal was?
Especially since these faggots keep going on about MUH 5000 GORILLION WAR CRIMINALS SET FREEEE.

 

[Local Fed]

So why hasn't Nation of Islam taken him out in prison? Y'all need to get on that.

He hung himself (well, tried to and died anyway) 7 years ago.

 

[The Demon]

This is rather amusing, they reacted INSTANTLY to threats from within when getting called out for their incompetence, something I fully expected. Where was this speed and action when military personnel were attacking Tucker Carlson for commenting on the woke shit the military is pushing? It used to be that if you were military and made a comment at all about any political shit you were cashiered, now you're allowed to, as long as you don't criticize specific ideology and its members.

when angry cops talked about fort polk and the article 15s given for people going to the infirmary for trench foot and hypothermia, the next day after his video was uploaded, he got a call from the commander AND HIS WIFE. whenever the higher ups in the military see someone who's criticizing them for their incompetence or doing a bad job, they immediately jettison them because they view them as a threat instead of a stepping stone to learn from your mistakes. Now that people like this marine officer are getting kicked off for voicing their disgust about the situation, people who literally put their jobs and their military life on the line to do what's right, there's going to be a lot of silent dissent and not many people in the upper echelon who are interested in being the best E6 or getting the job done or even treating soldiers fair. After that, i don't know. the only people who seem to have an actual functional system going on now adays are people in the special forces community, cause they all respect each other A LOT. any high ranking officer in the army rangers would jump onto a grenade if it meant saving a private who just joined the rangers not too long ago, and vice versa. in fact, they'd probably push each other out of the way trying to jump on the grenade first.

i feel like there's either going to be a coup attempt or a civil war within the next 2 or 3 years

 

[RollingRock]

Imagine being a bootlicker lmao they will never be any revolt in the USA. You think government employees will fight for your freedom? They exist to suppress free people

 

[Prester John]

So, who's pulling Biden's strings? Who actually calls the shots?

 

[Random Internet Person]

Because she gets better ratings as a topic on right wing media than Pelosi in 2021.

These days, can’t you get better ratings than Pelosi with an empty pizza box?

The fucking face mask garbage is cherry on top of this shit cake

I think that mask is probably something that predates COVID.

Imagine being a bootlicker lmao they will never be any revolt in the USA. You think government employees will fight for your freedom? They exist to suppress free people

Maybe, but there’s always the chance things get really, really terrible. Worse than they are now.

So, who's pulling Biden's strings? Who actually calls the shots?

Depends on who you ask, could be (insert agency here), could be the Department Of The State, could be George Soros, could be someone like Kissinger, could be the CCP.