Off-Topic When did you hit peak trans and why? - Finally realized that trans activism and gender ideology are harmful.

[thyme]

An update: If anyone cares, in my situation the friend has come out to the wife and everyone. She (going by these pronouns since I do want to be supportive) told her wife and she took it well enough. They’re not planning on having kids any time soon (she’s too old anyway) so it’s a non-issue. I don’t think my friend is trying to sleep around since I’ve seen no solid evidence of it. She doesn’t want bottom surgery (thank God) and isn’t being super militant about anything (yet.)

It still feels random and possibly disasterous (she says the hormones make her feel “euphoric” but I’ve heard that regardless of gender identity disorder that can happen when taking estrogen, so I’m not sure), but I’m not going to get in the way or make it my problem. If she’s happy and not lying or being weird then more power to her.

Oh boy, now him and his wife can go party city wig shopping together

I know you're trying to be optimistic so I'm trying to bite my tongue. Very curious to see if you'll have future updates because I can't help but always expect the worst out of these types

 

[teriyakiburns]

she says the hormones make her feel “euphoric” but I’ve heard that regardless of gender identity disorder that can happen when taking estrogen, so I’m not sure

Euphoria is tranny-talk for sexual arousal. He means engaging in his sissification fantasy gives him a stiffy.

 

[supremeautismo]

Oh boy, now him and his wife can go party city wig shopping together

I know you're trying to be optimistic so I'm trying to bite my tongue. Very curious to see if you'll have future updates because I can't help but always expect the worst out of these types

I'm sure she (eh I feel stupid saying this and I'm really only work friends so I'll say he here, it's cathartic) will be fine at work for example because it's got a disproportionate amount of troons, plus I can't imagine he and the wife were doing well relationship wise if he's decided to take this path. Either he'll realize he looks terrible as a woman and cuts the shit out or more likely he'll turn his entire friend group into troons (not trying to convert but rather changing who he hangs out with), which I guess the cult must be fun for some people since it seems like they never leave.

Euphoria is tranny-talk for sexual arousal. He means engaging in his sissification fantasy gives him a stiffy.

I can't find the study right now but I saw one that said that people on estrogen get a feeling of euphoria similar to MDMA. This article says this:

Researchers found that estrogen intensifies the brain’s dopamine reward pathway, which creates an increase in pleasureable feelings. So, when a woman is in the high-estrogen phase of her menstrual cycle and she takes a certain drug – think meth or
cocaine – she feels more enjoyment.

This is all I've seen on a preliminary search. Of course if you write "estrogen euphoria" you're mostly going to see pervy troon propaganda. But speaking from a purely chemical level, I think estrogen does give men an initial "high."

 

[Ser Prize]

An update: If anyone cares, in my situation the friend has come out to the wife and everyone. She (going by these pronouns since I do want to be supportive) told her wife and she took it well enough. They’re not planning on having kids any time soon (she’s too old anyway) so it’s a non-issue. I don’t think my friend is trying to sleep around since I’ve seen no solid evidence of it. She doesn’t want bottom surgery (thank God) and isn’t being super militant about anything (yet.)

It still feels random and possibly disasterous (she says the hormones make her feel “euphoric” but I’ve heard that regardless of gender identity disorder that can happen when taking estrogen, so I’m not sure), but I’m not going to get in the way or make it my problem. If she’s happy and not lying or being weird then more power to her.

Sorry pal, your friend is in a cult now. Don't support his self destruction.

 

[Chongqing]

For me it was when President Trump initiated the ban of transgenders in the military. I remember thinking it must be sheer bigotry, likely endorsed by his psychotic evangelical base, but then I thought about it and it didn't sit right. Trump grew up in New York and though he pretends otherwise, he's a strictly materialistic man and despises religious tightarserry. And it was a ban on the transgendered specifically, not the gays. Then I saw a comment on a news video that said that trans people were mentally disabled and after the initial reaction of whoa, how ignorant, I did my own research.

Then I find out 41% of transitioning individuals commit suicide. That is an "on the beach at Omaha getting enfiladed on" casualty rate. Why is this not the critical factor? Nearly half of trans people who go through the procedure kill themselves. That is not anywhere close to an acceptable margin of success. And when they're misdiagnosed, when they're encouraged to do this when they're young and stupid, when they realised they made a mistake years down the line that they can never correct, it's no fucking surprise. That fucking Yaniv guy is obssessed with sex and can never have it, no wonder he's fucking psychotic.

It's true we OG faggots have much to answer for when it comes to cognitive dissonance. We are an ageist, shallow, fad obsessed 'culture' that worships sex, drugs and fetishes that would make Chris-Chan look fucking normal and yet we demand the dignity of marriage and equal rights. It's ridiculous that a subculture defined by promiscuity and sleaziness could have any purchase on the concept of loyal monogamy.

But to me, we were always addressing a genuine, specific axiom - a person of the same sex being attracted to the same sex or both. We didn't introduce this insane mass identity crisis that the Trans Industrial Complex has inflicted on the first world. If you were gay or bi, you were something quite specific, not this delusional fantasy free-for-all where men can insist they're women just because. It seems like this whole gender diversity thing has done the opposite of encouraging inclusion and just forced everyone to gatekeep and label themselves as ANYTHING other than a cis, straight, white person. I don't know about lesbians but gay men I know have nothing but contempt for the transgender and their performances and the bulwark against them is slowly gaining traction.

That said, I thing there are some false positives. Pedophiles, freaks, perverts, they'll make their way into the trans community because it gives their deviancy protection, as does the Catholic Church or being a star on the BBC, They'll be found in time, and they need to stop being defended lest the entire movement goes down in flames,

That was a huge turning point for me as well, the military ban. I remember hearing an interview with some former military person explaining they don't want to be relying on "some conflicted individual." I thought that was so hateful, but now I know exactly what he means.

I remember around that same time period I heard an interview with Chase Strangio that made me think, "What the hell? Huh?" I don't remember the details but the jist was that you don't need dysphoria to transition, anyone can do it.

Now, Gibes says that too and it's basically accepted doctrine. But at the time, it shocked me into doing some research and educating myself.

 

[FoolhardStar]

Spoiler: POWERLEVEL WARNING

I nearly transitioned myself at one point, around the time the tranny craze started festering into a social disease. It was a mix of trauma and actual "egg hatching" grooming and enabling from "friends", typical stuff you find in FtMs. I hated being a woman, I was insecure about everything, I hated men, but I wanted to be a man just to get away from the fact that I was who I was. Mental illness at its finest.
It fortunately never got to the point that I tampered with my own body or hormones (though I did do the typical "wear baggy clothing at all times" bit women do before they go for mutilating themselves or ruining their tits with binding) and I snapped out of being a misandrist. Sadly I didn't snap out of my acceptance of trannies and genderspecials until later on, but it happened regardless.

Even after this, I've been told I'm an egg off of things like having more masculine hobbies and being mistaken for a male online a lot. They really, really like going after the tomboys, don't they?

Watching Silence of the Lambs again and seeing Buffalo Bill after what I detailed in the spoiler made me think about things. Trannies being put with actual women in sports and murdering them was what I hoped was the peak, and "just a few bad apples, they can't all be bad" was my cope. Then came the push and shove for letting kids and hormonal teens go on HRT when they barely know anything about themselves, their bodies or what they wanna be when they grow up, and that's when I snapped out of it and realized that I was stupid for ever being so warm and open and it was a cult with little to no exceptions. This forum and other websites showing more gruesome details and tidbits has been a constant source of entertainment and new peaks ever since.

 

[Ser Prize]

Spoiler: POWERLEVEL WARNING

I nearly transitioned myself at one point, around the time the tranny craze started festering into a social disease in 2013. It was a mix of trauma and actual "egg hatching" grooming and enabling from "friends", typical stuff you find in FtMs. I hated being a woman, I was insecure about everything, I hated men, but I wanted to be a man just to get away from the fact that I was who I was. Mental illness at its finest. It fortunately never got to the point that I tampered with my own body or hormones (though I did do the typical "wear baggy clothing at all times" bit women do before they go for mutilating themselves or ruining their tits with binding) and I snapped out of being a misandrist. Couldn't save a friend of mine that ended up also going that route though, and sadly I didn't snap out of my acceptance of trannies and genderspecials until later on, but it happened regardless.

Even after this, I've been told I'm an egg by retards off of things like preferring more masculine hobbies (I guess liking mecha makes you a man?) and just being mistaken for a male online a lot. They don't just go for tomboys or masculine women, they lunge at them.

Watching Silence of the Lambs again and seeing Buffalo Bill after what I detailed in the spoiler made me think about things. Trannies being put with actual women in sports and murdering them was what I hoped was the peak, and "just a few bad apples, they can't all be bad" was my cope. Then came the push and shove for letting kids and hormonal teens go on HRT when they barely know anything about themselves, their bodies or what they wanna be when they grow up, and that's when I snapped out of it and realized that I was stupid for ever being so warm and open and it was a cult with little to no exceptions. This forum and other websites showing more gruesome details and tidbits has been a constant source of entertainment and new peaks ever since.

It seems ftm troonery is it's own beast compared to the incel-mtf tranny cult I see elsewhere. Is it at all common for girls to snap out of it?

 

[FoolhardStar]

It seems ftm troonery is it's own beast compared to the incel-mtf tranny cult I see elsewhere. Is it at all common for girls to snap out of it?

I’d say fairly common before 2016/17 made trannies mainstream and the floodgates opened. It’s a more severe version of an identity crisis and teens are famous for those, if they’re in an actually supportive environment (that doesn’t enable mutilating themselves) or allowed to figure out their identity on their own with no outside engineering they usually snap out of thinking they’re a unicorn or actually a man.

It still happens, absolutely, but it’s akin to getting out of a cult: When you detransition or go back on transitioning, girl-pills and chestbinding likely won't be the only thing you'll have to leave behind. The real insidious part is that most of those transes and allies will try their hardest to convince you what you’re doing is wrong and that you’re “suppressing yourself”.
That’ll take a toll on girls and women not in a supportive environment, surrounded by people who don’t actually want to help them or agree they aren’t womanly enough.

This process isn’t exclusive to women whatsoever, more sensitive and/or feminine men deal with this when they don’t support transitioning or taking the girl-pills themselves, but with women it tends to come from preexisting trauma or “you’ll finally have an identity!” more often, compared to unfulfilled sexual needs or a fetish seemingly being the more common causes for men. That makes them perfect for grooming via lovebombing and constant positive affirmation. “You are valid” goes from obnoxious to insidious after you notice how often it’s used by those types of people and their enablers, huh?

 

[Ser Prize]

I’d say fairly common before 2016/17 made trannies mainstream and the floodgates opened. It’s a more severe version of an identity crisis and teens are famous for those, if they’re in an actually supportive environment (that doesn’t enable mutilating themselves) or allowed to figure out their identity on their own with no outside engineering they usually snap out of thinking they’re a unicorn or actually a man.

It still happens, absolutely, but it’s like getting out of a cult: When you leave, you leave a permanent black mark on your head, and the insidious part is people will try their hardest to convince you what you’re doing is wrong and that you’re “suppressing yourself”, and usually you’d have to cut them off to get some peace. That’ll take a toll on girls and women not in a supportive environment, surrounded by people who don’t actually want to help them or agree they aren’t womanly enough. This process isn’t exclusive to women whatsoever, more sensitive and/or feminine men deal with this when they don’t support transitioning or taking the girl-pills themselves, but with women it tends to come from preexisting trauma or “you’ll finally have an identity!” more often, compared to unfulfilled sexual needs or a fetish seemingly being the more common causes for men. That makes them perfect for grooming via lovebombing and constant positive affirmation. “You are valid” goes from obnoxious to insidious after you notice how often it’s used by those types of people and their enablers, huh?

That is indeed very insidious. It must take a lot of will power to push away from that; and I can't imagine having the media blaring it in your face is any help. I also know that people like to bulldoze detransitioned people when it comes to their stories about it.

Man I fear for my sister.

 

[𝕺𝖑' 𝕯𝖎𝖗𝖙𝖞 𝕱𝖆𝖙𝖘𝖔]

I was a teenager with a tumblrina blog when the "cotton ceiling" debate was still ongoing, so maybe 2013-15 or so? a grown ass adult male tranny sent me a message telling me I was a piece of shit for pointing out that it's a creepy, unacceptable rape metaphor and that trannies are not entitled to sex. After that I dug my heels in and went terf.

 

[weirdMcGee]

I've always been neutral on gender as a whole since I'm in the belief that anyone can do whatever as long as it harmed no one. The issue with a lot of autogynephilies is the blatant amount of unironic degeneracy which goes uncheck in queer spaces. The moment you question the obvious misogyny some trans women harbor, you're just a terf to these loons.

even in woman-centered spaces, they're force to open their borders or else they're apparently "hurting the fee-fees" of pervert crossdresser who barely pass as women. it's crazy how far society goes to cater to these freaks.

and don't get my ass started on the xenogender discourse. I've been noticing a uptick in young folks refusing to ID as normal gender identities for various reasons. You have catgenders, austicgenders, voidgenders, the list goes on. and, the pronouns accompanying them are even worse.

look I know the "they" pronoun isn't correct but I rather use that than bending over backwards and using "cat/catself". This generation is fucked, man...

 

[Shiversblood]

The pain and suffering Ellen Page is going through right now really shocked me back into reality

 

[supremeautismo]

Spoiler: POWERLEVEL WARNING

I nearly transitioned myself at one point, around the time the tranny craze started festering into a social disease in 2013. It was a mix of trauma and actual "egg hatching" grooming and enabling from "friends", typical stuff you find in FtMs. I hated being a woman, I was insecure about everything, I hated men, but I wanted to be a man just to get away from the fact that I was who I was. Mental illness at its finest. It fortunately never got to the point that I tampered with my own body or hormones (though I did do the typical "wear baggy clothing at all times" bit women do before they go for mutilating themselves or ruining their tits with binding) and I snapped out of being a misandrist. Couldn't save a friend of mine that ended up also going that route though, and sadly I didn't snap out of my acceptance of trannies and genderspecials until later on, but it happened regardless.

Even after this, I've been told I'm an egg by retards off of things like preferring more masculine hobbies (I guess liking mecha makes you a man?) and just being mistaken for a male online a lot. They don't just go for tomboys or masculine women, they lunge at them.

Watching Silence of the Lambs again and seeing Buffalo Bill after what I detailed in the spoiler made me think about things. Trannies being put with actual women in sports and murdering them was what I hoped was the peak, and "just a few bad apples, they can't all be bad" was my cope. Then came the push and shove for letting kids and hormonal teens go on HRT when they barely know anything about themselves, their bodies or what they wanna be when they grow up, and that's when I snapped out of it and realized that I was stupid for ever being so warm and open and it was a cult with little to no exceptions. This forum and other websites showing more gruesome details and tidbits has been a constant source of entertainment and new peaks ever since.

I’m not saying this is the case on your end, but from people I’ve cared about and their experiences, a lot of FTM trooning specifically comes down to childhood sexual assault. Wanting to feel “protected” by not having a vagina. A friend of mine my freshman year of uni started to transition and her boyfriend gently pushed her out of it, trying to show her that maybe her childhood sexual abuse was more the issue and not an inherent hatred of her body. She still dresses androgynously but no longer claims to be a man, and shortly after they’d gone back and forth realized this. She could have permanently harmed herself from binding incorrectly or even going as extreme as hormones or a masectomy, but had someone who cared about her speak up. I told her I’d support her either way; I guess I’m too cowardly to call people out on their delusions, but also I wasn’t fully “peaked” yet.

I considered transition around 2012/2013 as well because of a lifetime of hating my body. We treat body dysmorphia one way (showing them healthier ways to live even though the brain plays tricks on the perception of the body) but body dysphoria is always treated the same, and damned if not immediately prescribed. It’s a disturbing cult and I’m so glad I was able to see that I wouldn’t be happy as a fascimilie of a man and I was being manipulated by my peers. It’s been a shitshow for nearly a decade now, can’t wait for the next 10 years

 

[Ser Prize]

I’m not saying this is the case on your end, but from people I’ve cared about and their experiences, a lot of FTM trooning specifically comes down to childhood sexual assault. Wanting to feel “protected” by not having a vagina. A friend of mine my freshman year of uni started to transition and her boyfriend gently pushed her out of it, trying to show her that maybe her childhood sexual abuse was more the issue and not an inherent hatred of her body. She still dresses androgynously but no longer claims to be a man, and shortly after they’d gone back and forth realized this. She could have permanently harmed herself from binding incorrectly or even going as extreme as hormones or a masectomy, but had someone who cared about her speak up. I told her I’d support her either way; I guess I’m too cowardly to call people out on their delusions, but also I wasn’t fully “peaked” yet.

I considered transition around 2012/2013 as well because of a lifetime of hating my body. We treat body dysmorphia one way (showing them healthier ways to live even though the brain plays tricks on the perception of the body) but body dysphoria is always treated the same, and damned if not immediately prescribed. It’s a disturbing cult and I’m so glad I was able to see that I wouldn’t be happy as a fascimilie of a man and I was being manipulated by my peers. It’s been a shitshow for nearly a decade now, can’t wait for the next 10 years

And you get called "transphobic" if you point how blatantly fucking EVIL "egg hunting" is.

 

[Aunt Carol]

I’d say fairly common before 2016/17 made trannies mainstream and the floodgates opened. It’s a more severe version of an identity crisis and teens are famous for those, if they’re in an actually supportive environment (that doesn’t enable mutilating themselves) or allowed to figure out their identity on their own with no outside engineering they usually snap out of thinking they’re a unicorn or actually a man.

I wonder sometimes what I would have decided, if my teenage identity crisis had come a couple decades later. People promising friendship and acceptance and a simple one-line explanation of why a female teenager felt weird about the changes in her body and the public perception of it.

Kids' media about deciding you're genderspecial are supplanting the kids' media about accepting that you're a weirdo and having rad adventures. I'm sure someone's already out there posting furiously about how Harriet the Spy or Pippi Longstocking was clearly a transman egg.

"Finding your glitter family" is just a version of the internet proverb about toaster-fucking.

 

[Ser Prize]

This is the future you chose. This is where tolerance got you.

 

[Taylor Swift's Ghostwrite]

This is the future you chose. This is where tolerance got you.

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The shocking part to me is the title is "under fire" and not "has been found at the bottom of a river."

 

[TaimuRadiu]

The cotton ceiling bullshit. Up till then I thought most trannies were either "HSTS" (read: super faggots who transitioned to be with a man) or transbians out of loneliness

 

[cummytummies]

I never really had a change of heart. I thought trannies and "drag queens" and all that stuff was degenerate and repulsive even in the 90s when it was occasionally played off as a joke.

At some point I started noticing people attempting to normalize it, and it just kept happening more and more. I stuck to what I believed and being more involved on sites like 4chan and other places not afraid to have free speech like IRC, rather than social media and American tabloids, I was always exposed to the dark side of the tranny curse more than its polished mainstream media presentation. That only made me more convinced that I (and the vast majority of people up until a few years ago) were always right and reality hadn't suddenly shifted just because some jewish journalist claims that to be the case.

 

[Hepativore]

This is the future you chose. This is where tolerance got you.

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See, the chin is always a dead giveaway with MTF troons, which is why they always fail at passing.

I wonder if there have ever been any formal studies detailing the rates of sex offenses among troons? It seems to be ridiculously high. The very fact that somebody is a troon is probably but one symptom of a whole constellation of mental comorbidities.