Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Mr. 0]

Dude, Netflix’s She-Ra was created by a woman. Noelle Stevenson.

she trooned out and chopped her tits off like ellen page did so she doesn't count anymore

 

[Fluoxetine Man]

It seems like even American works that pander to women make the female characters androgynous and essentially "a male character in a dress" (Netflix She-Ra is one of the most prominent examples).

Dude, Netflix’s She-Ra was created by a woman. Noelle Stevenson.

she trooned out and chopped her tits off like ellen page did so she doesn't count anymor

This explains so much about Nu-Ra's art style.

How can people in animation champion her for female representation when she clearly hates being a woman?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

How can people in animation champion her for female representation when she clearly hates being a woman?

Because being anything but a woman is the "epitome of femininity" these days. Horseshoe theory is real.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

You ever wonder why we rarely have cartoons dedicating episodes to Valentine’s Day?

 

[A Grey Cat]

You ever wonder why we rarely have cartoons dedicating it to Valentine’s Day?

my guess? It's not as big a holiday as Christmas or Halloween. It comes a month or so after those holidays and between st patrick's day. april fool's day easter and the fourth of july its mid tier on the list of big holidays. Plus holiday Special eps just aren't as big a deal in western animation as they used to be.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

Plus holiday Special eps just aren't as big a deal in western animation as they used to be.

At the risk of sounding like a softie, I like to think that this is why he popularity surrounding Western Animation has declined heavily over the years. Cartoons made over in the 80’s to the 2000’s aside, I just find it disappointing that no one ever cares that much to make special made episodes regarding holidays.

If I recall, Billy and Mandy, Ed Edd N Eddy, SpongeBob and Fairly OddParents used to make the best holiday themed episodes. Even Hey Arnold occasionally had some great Christmas specials.

 

[A Grey Cat]

At the risk of sounding like a softie, I like to think that this is why he popularity surrounding Western Animation has declined heavily over the years. Cartoons made over in the 80’s to the 2000’s aside, I just find it disappointing that no one ever cares that much to make special made episodes regarding holidays.

If I recall, Billy and Mandy, Ed Edd N Eddy, SpongeBob and Fairly Oddparents used to make the best holiday themed episodes. Even Hey Arnold occasionally had some great Christmas specials.

Hell hey Arnold have a special focused around veteran's day of all days and it covered a lot of the more recent wars America fought in. The primary story was Grandpa retelling how he drove a truck through occupied Europe then used the cargo (terrible army food) to give an entire platoon of Germans food poisoning and even had a reference to Hitler of all things.

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

AFAIK, The Simpsons still does holiday episodes, and they've been shit for years, so I'm not sure if there's really a correlation between the down playing of holiday episodes and the declining quality of western cartoons.

Speaking of, "I Love Lisa" is probably not only my favorite Valentine's Day episode, but also one of the best Simpsons episodes.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

owl house now: OMG YOUNG LEZ/BI GIRLS IN LUV SO KAWAI!

Owl house in season 1 episode 2: Luz clearly fawned over a boy.

Is that what the fans shippers were getting their panties in bunches over? or has a more recent episode shown luz still harboring feelings for a boy? Seriously I was partly kidding before, but if the grief surrounding the show keeps up I'll start an owl house griefing thread if it's warranted.

No, the shippers sucked their underwear up their own assholes because a single male character appeared that was age appropriate (unlike Gus) and had utterly non-romantic chemistry with Luz. I could easily see a ship forming for them because shippers care little about a lack of romance but there was nothing in the episode itself to hint that way.
However Owl House's fandom's creepy section is full of people whose computers need investigating. It was literally the addition of a male cast member of a similar age to Luz that set this off. They had to burn the earth now because they want to scream at any attempts for people to do fan fiction or art pairing them to be called out as gay erasure. Despite that, as you noted, Luz is interested in both sexes.

I doubt it warrants a griefing thread. The salt mines from it will be delicious at certain points but it's not as bad as She-Ra's reboot. It'll be more like the recent Netflix He-Man thing, brief surge of energy but in the end the majority of people just do not care and there's not enough real obsessives to sustain a griefing thread. I might be wrong though, time will tell.

In better news a new Amphibia Trailer dropped.

Spoiler

Marcy is unsurprisingly alive and unless some of the scenes in it are flashbacks will be fairly active this season.
Sasha finds Anne's journal in the Planter house
I initially thought that one of the clips showed a blue haired Marcy with Anne but looks like a different character in a lab coat. One of I think about half a dozen additions this trailer shows if we include Anne's parents (what I am guessing is either an archeologist or museum curator based off their design and the background, the IT_GALZ who Polly seems to be dealing with who could be siblings of the main three girls, creepy FBI boss lady and her somehow creepier looking underling, Sprig's Doc Ock-esque nemesis)
1:24 - Polly has arms and appears to be resurrecting her robot sidekick with a washing machine torso and soup can foot)
The D&D joke in the theme song takeover fell so flat it cratered

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

You ever wonder why we rarely have cartoons dedicating episodes to Valentine’s Day?

It wasn't uncommon compared to, say, Easter, though. Rugrats, Hey Arnold, SpongeBob - among others - all did one. (I would assume the relative unpopularity compared to Christmas is because kids think love is too mushy.)

Still, you don't see holiday specials much anymore. The networks always went all-out in October and December, but now there's just the old standards.

 

[Sage In All Fields]

Does anyone remember Mona The Vampire? It was my thing growing up

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

I'm wondering why was this never picked up by the States?

I thought Nickelodeon would've picked it up due to it's connection to Count Duckula:

It is strange it never got released on DVD, and even stranger it's the only two humans in this world considering they were based on the anthropomorphic bird characters in Count Duckula:

 

[Fat Tub of Lard]

I'm wondering why was this never picked up by the States?

I thought Nickelodeon would've picked it up due to it's connection to Count Duckula:

It is strange it never got released on DVD, and even stranger it's the only two humans in this world considering they were based on the anthropomorphic bird characters in Count Duckula:

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Based on the time period where the show aired, I would guess that Nickelodeon didn't show it because their relationship with Cosgrove Hall probably soured after they rejected two of their Nicktoon pilots.

The book Nickelodeon Nation by Heather Henderson details the eight pilots produced for Nickelodeon, including two made by Cosgrove Hall: Trash and The Crowville Chronicles. Test audiences found them bland and boring, so they were passed over in favor of the three pilots that ultimately became series (you probably know which ones by now). This probably put a dent in the two companies' working relationship, and AFAIK, Nick never ran another Cosgrove Hall show again after dropping Danger Mouse and Count Duckula.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Based on the time period where the show aired, I would guess that Nickelodeon didn't show it because their relationship with Cosgrove Hall probably soured after they rejected two of their Nicktoon pilots.

The book Nickelodeon Nation by Heather Henderson details the eight pilots produced for Nickelodeon, including two made by Cosgrove Hall: Trash and The Crowville Chronicles. Test audiences found them bland and boring, so they were passed over in favor of the three pilots that ultimately became series (you probably know which ones by now). This probably put a dent in the two companies' working relationship, and AFAIK, Nick never ran another Cosgrove Hall show again after dropping Danger Mouse and Count Duckula.

I don't think so. There were other pilots that did worse.

You do have to consider the upswing in American-made animation that was happening about this time, which left less room for foreign products in the American market. (The collapse of Eastern Europe's animation industries didn't help.)

 

[Trilby]

I don't think so. There were other pilots that did worse.

You do have to consider the upswing in American-made animation that was happening about this time, which left less room for foreign products in the American market. (The collapse of Eastern Europe's animation industries didn't help.)

The 90's animation scene certainly was quite a unique time when all that was going on and America had started to really show off what it could do on it's own. Not a surprise Cosgrove Hall wasn't able to sell Victor & Hugo over here.

 

[A Grey Cat]

No, the shippers sucked their underwear up their own assholes because a single male character appeared that was age appropriate (unlike Gus) and had utterly non-romantic chemistry with Luz. I could easily see a ship forming for them because shippers care little about a lack of romance but there was nothing in the episode itself to hint that way.
However Owl House's fandom's creepy section is full of people whose computers need investigating. It was literally the addition of a male cast member of a similar age to Luz that set this off. They had to burn the earth now because they want to scream at any attempts for people to do fan fiction or art pairing them to be called out as gay erasure. Despite that, as you noted, Luz is interested in both sexes.

I doubt it warrants a griefing thread. The salt mines from it will be delicious at certain points but it's not as bad as She-Ra's reboot. It'll be more like the recent Netflix He-Man thing, brief surge of energy but in the end the majority of people just do not care and there's not enough real obsessives to sustain a griefing thread. I might be wrong though, time will tell.

Agreed the salt mines are productive for now but they'll soon dry up since owl house is on its death bed. The fans/shippers will move on to praising and worshipping the next golden cow that claims to be a "stunning and brave first for animation." Like I said that proud family reboot with the nonbinary broken buck and his gay dads is if I may so bold, "Just around the riverbed."

Fuckin shame owl house fell as hard as it did, I'm up to episode 3 and as much as i dislike Amity for the creator mouthpiece she ended up becoming, her early appearance is almost a completely different character. Like if owl house had been made (Good lord) 20 years ago to try and be Disney's cash in on the Harry potter series. Then I can see season 1 amity being a mix of hermonie with a hint of draco. A smarmy know it all over achiever who's full of herself and needs to learn to lighten up and tone down the alpha bitch factor. S'why i plan to stop watching after season 1, good thing it has the most episodes out of the shows run.


also, yeah the girl who nearly got you vivisected will make a great girlfriend Luz. I swear it's almost like two different people started working on the show after season 1 and they only paired lumity together to get lqbtqrstuvwxyz brownie points for doing so.

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I knew I recognized that cat from somewhere! This was given to Dana Simpson, creator of Phoebe and Her Unicorn, a once decent, if somewhat bland comic strip turned into Kid-Friendly SJW Propaganda Piece #5215 (which, coincidentally, is also getting an animated series on Nickelodeon, fittingly enough). Divorced from that, though, Katrina is actually a pretty charming little piece of animation! Gives me sort of a Peanuts meets Felix the Cat vibe.

Isn't Phoebe and her unicorn that comic strip where we got the cursed image about "Non Binary unicorns from."

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Isn't Phoebe and her unicorn that comic strip where we got the cursed image about "Non Binary unicorns from."

Yep, the very same.

 

[A Grey Cat]

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Yep, the very same.

and THIS is getting an animated series on Nickelodeon?! Jesus, Mary , and Joseph what's next? Assigned male getting a cartoon on HBO max?....I'm just giving the media ideas at this point aren't I?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

and THIS is getting an animated series on Nickelodeon?! Jesus, Mary , and Joseph what's next? Assigned male getting a cartoon on HBO max?....I'm just giving the media ideas at this point aren't I?

>tfw bland, pozzed P&HU gets syndicated, a million selling book collection and an animated series while the infinitely funnier, heartwarming, creative, and based Calvin & Hobbes spiritual successor Count Your Sheep gets jack shit aside from a self-published book, despite the fact that it had a pretty sizeable reader-base for a webcomic at the time
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[Trilby]

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>tfw bland, pozzed P&HU gets syndicated, a million selling book collection and an animated series while the infinitely funnier, heartwarming, creative, and based Calvin & Hobbes spiritual successor Count Your Sheep gets jack shit aside from a self-published book, despite the fact that it had a pretty sizeable reader-base for a webcomic at the time
>feelsbadman.jpg

It's no wonder comic strips are dying.