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30+GameOvers said:
Still more of a proper Fallout media than the TV show.
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I wouldn't even go that far with brotherhood of steel tbh it's so removed from everything Fallout it genuinely doesn't even feel or even look like a Fallout game except for the mutants , power armor, and le brotherhood.

Now that I think about it thought it's pretty much the same as the show except with less nostalgia bait 🤔
 
The One Who Sneeds said:
I wouldn't even go that far with brotherhood of steel tbh it's so removed from everything Fallout it genuinely doesn't even feel or even look like a Fallout game except for the mutants , power armor, and le brotherhood.

Now that I think about it thought it's pretty much the same as the show except with less nostalgia bait 🤔
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It doesn't even have freaking Nuka Cola, a franchise staple, and instead uses a literal product placement as its soda of choice. But I'd say having the Fallout 1 Vault Dweller as an edgy grizzled old man is really high up there on nostalgia baiting.
 
neger psykolog said:
I'm watching the second episode of the second season (because I'm bored and have nothing else to watch) and holy shit is this bad.
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I'm on my yearly New Vegas playthrough atm, so a few nights ago I figured why not, there isn't shit on that I haven't watched and I'm fairly plastered. I couldn't get through the first episode of season one, I might try again with just season two but that first episode just turned me off the whole show. It's pretending to understand the core of the source material while going directly out of it's way to shit on it. It's funny because a while back ITT someone claimed the fact that they were selling premium New Vegas merch proved Tom Howard didn't hate the franchise, only for this to come out and basically pull a Deus Ex Invisible War level of fuck you where
"every ending is canon, dewd. The NCR come back ala the threat at the Yes Man ending, House is dead ((but not really!)), and Caesar is dead and the legion has split with Legate Lanius either dead or not in the picture anymore ((legion's right hand man, btw))."
 
Buster Scruggs said:
I'm on my yearly New Vegas playthrough atm, so a few nights ago I figured why not, there isn't shit on that I haven't watched and I'm fairly plastered. I couldn't get through the first episode of season one, I might try again with just season two but that first episode just turned me off the whole show. It's pretending to understand the core of the source material while going directly out of it's way to shit on it. It's funny because a while back ITT someone claimed the fact that they were selling premium New Vegas merch proved Tom Howard didn't hate the franchise, only for this to come out and basically pull a Deus Ex Invisible War level of fuck you where
"every ending is canon, dewd. The NCR come back ala the threat at the Yes Man ending, House is dead ((but not really!)), and Caesar is dead and the legion has split with Legate Lanius either dead or not in the picture anymore ((legion's right hand man, btw))."
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It really translates to TV poorly. The power armor suits look fucking ridiculous and dumb. There's so much that's bad about it I don't even know where to begin and end. The first season wasn't as bad for me but the 2nd season is just off the charts bad.

Anyway since they reference FO:NV a lot it at least must hurt Bethesda staff and personally hurt Todd Howard that they at least recognize FO:NV as being one of the main and arguably greatest Fallout games.

edit: so much stuff that looks great in an isometric, hand-drawn game or a 3d game just doesn't work on screen. They should've reimagined shit and just done their own style from the source material entirely.
 
Buster Scruggs said:
I'm on my yearly New Vegas playthrough atm, so a few nights ago I figured why not, there isn't shit on that I haven't watched and I'm fairly plastered. I couldn't get through the first episode of season one, I might try again with just season two but that first episode just turned me off the whole show. It's pretending to understand the core of the source material while going directly out of it's way to shit on it. It's funny because a while back ITT someone claimed the fact that they were selling premium New Vegas merch proved Tom Howard didn't hate the franchise, only for this to come out and basically pull a Deus Ex Invisible War level of fuck you where
"every ending is canon, dewd. The NCR come back ala the threat at the Yes Man ending, House is dead ((but not really!)), and Caesar is dead and the legion has split with Legate Lanius either dead or not in the picture anymore ((legion's right hand man, btw))."
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neger psykolog said:
It really translates to TV poorly. The power armor suits look fucking ridiculous and dumb. There's so much that's bad about it I don't even know where to begin and end. The first season wasn't as bad for me but the 2nd season is just off the charts bad.

Anyway since they reference FO:NV a lot it at least must hurt Bethesda staff and personally hurt Todd Howard that they at least recognize FO:NV as being one of the main and arguably greatest Fallout games.

edit: so much stuff that looks great in an isometric, hand-drawn game or a 3d game just doesn't work on screen. They should've reimagined shit and just done their own style from the source material entirely.
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I have a coworker that is obsessed with this show. During our talks, I bounce questions off of him about popular Fallout stuff and a lot of them seem to be in the show. I told him to watch out for a kid running around with a toy blaster. I wonder if they're degenerate enough to make a pimp-boy 9000 reference.

Dunno... I might hate watch this one like I did with the Witcher.
 
IrishGuy088 said:
I have a coworker that is obsessed with this show. During our talks, I bounce questions off of him about popular Fallout stuff and a lot of them seem to be in the show. I told him to watch out for a kid running around with a toy blaster. I wonder if they're degenerate enough to make a pimp-boy 9000 reference.

Dunno... I might hate watch this one like I did with the Witcher.
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I really don't mind new audiences and people picking it up or becoming interested in it.
I just wish they did their own thing instead of trying so much to 1:1 it and do a poor job of it (there's no way to film a TV show in isometric style or in FO:NV's look/feel)

In fact I take it all back: I wish they used the entire budget for this TV show to give the FO:NV team funding to make either another FO game or something else.
 
neger psykolog said:
I'm watching the second episode of the second season (because I'm bored and have nothing else to watch) and holy shit is this bad.
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A truly horrific episode of television. It's the worst episode of the season and takes a nuclear-sized shit over the Brotherhood. Nobody acts the way they do in episode 2 again. Apparently this is largely down to each episode having a different writer so a semi-decent scene or two in one episode is the result of it being a different writer from another.
Campbell_Trio said:
Bethesda has always said aspects of tactics could be made canon again calm down
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After 4 I largely consider Tactics canon, but the difficulty is not with the content and lore introductions themselves necessarily, but because you'd have to pick 1 of 4 wildly different endings.

I think that's a large reason why they're reluctant to confirm it outright. The only precedent for how sequels pick the ending is they go for the "good" one, and Fallout Tactic's "good" ending is too good. They BoS become arguably more powerful than the NCR at their peak, with a robot army, unlimited food and water and Super Mutants/Ghouls/Deathclaws living side-by-side with humans. FNV further muddies its canonicity by introducing an Enclave presence in Chicago, which either flew under the radar of the Midwest BoS or this Enclave presence is simply going to get ignored if Bethesda head further inland.

I see Tactics as a way for Interplay to end the Fallout by giving the player and fans of the franchise the most saccharine ending possible. Everybody lives in peace, food and resources are abundance, mutans are living peaceably with humans, and so on. Making Tactics outright canon would, conceptually, render any games after it as moot because the trajectory Tactics throws in its ending is one where peace will come to the post-war USA, harmony is achieved by all, with war a thing of the past and everyone happy.

We know in Fallout 5, at bare minimum the Institute is going to get destroyed, but who does it is in the air and who does it ultimately doesn't matter because it's not like anybody gains from doing it. The BoS, Minutemen, Railroad, don't gain a buff or debuff from personally blowing up the Institute.
Meanwhile Tactics gives a lot of variance in its endings but it also dictates a lot of stuff in the future that is too wildly different from the next. Your options are:
1) Utopia in the Mid-west, with harmonious mutant and human civilisation with food and water aplenty and a robot army and fuck-huge production centre with Vault 0
2) Lawful Evil BoS bringing "peace... through force!" and on track to war with the NCR, with the same exact buffs as the utopian ending
3) BoS becomes a defacto nation, integrating with tribals and slowly building up their power uncontested
4) BoS are exterminating mutants and wrangling up the excess to work in labour camps. Humans dissidents and mutants form the Mutant Liberation army to rebel about this BoS, waging guerrilla warfare as they're pushed West, implying conflict will soon occur between the Western BoS and the Mid-Western BoS.

3) is the safest but if the area is ever touched again, the game still won't matter because it's also the ending where the BoS is most vulnerable and can easily be killed off. The only other niggle is whether or not you want these goobers to be a thing.
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imagine ur in da vault and dis nigga sanjeep rocks up with his fucking curry and wants to microwave it
you're in an underground vault
it'd fucking kill everyone because the smell would never go away

edit: how the fuck did this nigga get hired anyway?

It looks like he's an indian antita sarkeesian type or some shit:
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On the topic of Bethesda taking concepts and some of the lore from the game, does Fallout Tactics as a whole deserve the reputation that it has within the franchise?

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Is it at least better then Fallout 76 or is that a step too far?
 
I think I found peak Fallout 4 modding video today
Where do I even begin? The oversexualized female protagonist being the centerpiece, the very first thing your average Fallout 4 player focuses on when modding their game? The aesthetics of everything that would be more right at home in Army of Two or some other mediocre modern day mid 2000s shooter? Cringy dialogue that borders on "The Frontier" levels of bad at times? Out of place pop culture references that make Fallout 2 look respectable? The faction having more firepower than The Brotherhood and Enclave and somehow not taking over the entire region effortlessly? This is the same problem Frontier NCR had, with it's endless supply of choppers, tanks and a goddamn SHIELD helicarrier. How about we focus on how the modder just turned the game into Call of Duty, right down to the HUD and animations? Seriously, you could confuse this a random screenshot of this video for something out of the new Modern Warfare games.

This right here is why the Fallout 4 community will never, ever be taken seriously, this isn't some obscure, random extreme example, most of the remaining Fallout 4 modders/players have mods like this, maybe not to this extend but these are the most popular choices. At least the TV show normalfag tourists try to pretend that their media of choice is Fallout, even if it fails horribly at every step to understand the source material past the very tip-of-the-iceberg visual aspect of it, Fallout 4 niggers outright hate the IP and want to turn the game into something else completely, either CoD or STALKER or a porn game usually.
Breadbassket said:
On the topic of Bethesda taking concepts and some of the lore from the game, does Fallout Tactics as a whole deserve the reputation that it has within the franchise?

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Is it at least better then Fallout 76 or is that a step too far?
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The game deserves to be forgotten not because it is bad, but because it is spared(for the most part) from the horrid fate of the rest of the franchise.
 
Breadbassket said:
On the topic of Bethesda taking concepts and some of the lore from the game, does Fallout Tactics as a whole deserve the reputation that it has within the franchise?

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Is it at least better then Fallout 76 or is that a step too far?
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Could be worse.
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Tactics is fine in broadstroaks. It just has a few little issues that I think would go beyond the pale. Psychics who can see vaguely into the future and give you a brainblast in F1 and Vegas are one thing, having a faction capable of mind controlling animals is another.
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The gameplay and overall lack of RPG elements is another contentious element, but overall it doesn't have too much objectionable in it, especially in the light of modern Fallout. The only reason it has any contention reputation at all is due to how large a departure it is from Fallout 1 and 2 gameplay wise and its other oddities with lore/factions/dialogue which, again, are pretty quaint compared to some modern Fallout.

It might even be a better (if harder to setup) co-op experience than Fallout 76, ironically.

Also some of the character portraits being in greyscale and looking off somewhere else like gigachad amuses me.
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