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ForTheHoard said:
This doesn't really jive with how the setup would have been. The extension cord would have 120v running through it at any given time, regardless of what, if anything, is plugged into it. The circuit isn't broken until it reaches the switch inside the coffee maker. If the fire did actually originate from a fray in the extension cord, the coffee maker is irrelevant to the entire situation.
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Voltage is not power. Power (measured in watts) is the voltage multiplied by the current (measured in amperes). The Keurig can draw a high current at peak usage, and the current is what is dangerous about electricity.
 
SpasticusAutisticus said:
Voltage is not power. Power (measured in watts) is the voltage multiplied by the current (measured in amperes). The Keurig can draw a high current at peak usage, and the current is what is dangerous about electricity.
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In the case of electrocution. I only said 120v because I realize a good portion of this forum isn't American, and therefor runs at a different maximum voltage. The fire was cause by arcing wires that had their insulation rubbed off by a door. Amperage doesn't play as big of a role in arcing as voltage. Fuck my bitch, #BASEDTesla
 
Those bugs that chewed Bob up are sure gonna be hungry.

In more seriousness, the best case scenario for them would be to buy a trailer to live in while using the husk of 14 BLC for storage of the barbage. Of course, these two don't always make very good decisions.
 
I've always wondered--what kind of bugs were those that bit Bob, anyway? The only thing that seems to fit is bedbugs, although cockroaches have been known to bite humans in especially severe infestations.

I can't imagine a cockroach infestation at 14 BLC to have ever been that severe, but maybe I'm giving the Chandlers too much credit.
 
mauggg said:
I've always wondered--what kind of bugs were those that bit Bob, anyway? The only thing that seems to fit is bedbugs, although cockroaches have been known to bite humans in especially severe infestations.

I can't imagine a cockroach infestation at 14 BLC to have ever been that severe, but maybe I'm giving the Chandlers too much credit.
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It was bed bugs
 
mauggg said:
I've always wondered--what kind of bugs were those that bit Bob, anyway? The only thing that seems to fit is bedbugs, although cockroaches have been known to bite humans in especially severe infestations.

I can't imagine a cockroach infestation at 14 BLC to have ever been that severe, but maybe I'm giving the Chandlers too much credit.
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My thoughts were always either bedbugs or strangely enough some type of spider. Spiders that aren't typically known to bite people but still live around tons of flies or mosquitoes will still bite and can infest bedrooms. I only know about roach problems like that from having spent some time in a country where Waterbugs were kind of a thing, and if that's the case the 14 BC Ct video omitted some very particular details.
 
mauggg said:
I've always wondered--what kind of bugs were those that bit Bob, anyway?
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Almost certainly bedbugs, scabies mites and/or even fleas, all of which are associated with poor hygiene and are more than enough reason not to want anything Chris has touched in your house. Sorry to sound a-Loggy. He could have had kissing bugs/blood sucking cone noses (which, by the way, are a vector for Chagas' disease) but they tend to congregate around the mouth and nose. I suppose it's possible that Bob could have gotten chiggers from going outside or even ticks, but those don't really infest indoors. Hell, if he was really unsanitary he might have even contracted a case of myiasis, where maggots developed in his flesh.

although cockroaches have been known to bite humans in especially severe infestations.

I can't imagine a cockroach infestation at 14 BLC to have ever been that severe, but maybe I'm giving the Chandlers too much credit.
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Cockroaches might try nibbling on hair or dead skin but they really aren't equipped to bite like that. Hell, they are mostly herbivores/detritovores, not parasites or even active carnivores, and they would have to have a huge, world record type infestation to get them acting like that. Now, on the other hand, cockroaches do have a bad tendency to go into peoples' ears. That I could easily see happening.

Alex Krycek said:
or strangely enough some type of spider. Spiders that aren't typically known to bite people but still live around tons of flies or mosquitoes will still bite and can infest bedrooms.
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Nah, spiders don't tend to have that sort of population density, being predators and all, and many of the most common species in households spin webs so they aren't actively looking for prey. They don't seek out humans either. In cases with things like yellow sac spiders, they tend to bite incidentally, usually when we roll over on them in our sleep or something. One or two spider bites maybe, but I doubt Bob was getting bitten by dozens or hundreds every night.

I only know about roach problems like that from having spent some time in a country where Waterbugs were kind of a thing, and if that's the case the 14 BC Ct video omitted some very particular details.
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Well, 'water bug' is sometimes used as a colloquial term for various species of cockroaches in the US, but if you are talking about giant water bugs like those in the genus Lethocerus or Abedus, those are indeed native to the US (including Virginia) and can give a very painful bite. They are actually true bugs of the Order Hemiptera, like bedbugs and the blood sucking cone nose, though they aren't parasites but are instead active predators, hunting insects, crustaceans, tadpoles, fish and even small turtles or frogs. They use their proboscis to inject a very painful venom. It's not fatal, but like I said, very painful and obvious. Hence their nickname of 'toe biters.' I doubt Bob was regularly being bitten by those because, even though they can fly and do leave the water, they aren't an indoor pest and tend to have low population densities (mostly because they can and do eat other giant water bugs).

On the other hand, if you mean roaches, Virginia has plenty of native and introduced species. The main pest species will be the German cockroach (Blatella germanica), the American cockroach (Periplaneta americana) and the Oriental cockroach (Blatta orientalis). The American is the largest of the lot, and it can fly. There are also several native species of wood roach, though they don't infest homes. In Florida, I've heard the term 'water bug' used for both pest species and the native Florida woods cockroach (Eurycotis floridana), though that doesn't occur as far north as Virginia. Like most roaches, it needs dead leaves and hard wood mulch to establish itself. I'd rather expect to see Parcoblatta virginica, Pseudomops septentrionalis or maybe even Pycnoscelus surinamensis in Virginia.
 
Sovandie said:
It's honestly luck of the draw at this point. He might drop dead at 30, he might live out his medical life expectancy (which, admittedly, probably isn't so promising at this point either), or maybe somewhere in between. His circumstances have a lot to do with it, but above all it's just down to chance.
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Bob lived past 80 despite heart problems and Burger King diet
 
BaraBatman said:
I've always been curious about the extent of services Chris's disability entitles him to. With the way things are looking now, I think Chris's only real chance for surviving on his own depends on help from someone who can professionally assist the mentally disabled, especially with their finances. I imagine Barb's passing could possibly result in an outsider, be it a social worker or someone from Rocky's church, checking up on him only to discover how severe things are. As morbid as it sounds, that might be the one thing that would truly turn things around for Chris. Of course, Chris might be so stubborn that he'd turn away any help he could get.

Either way, as flawed as Chris is, he doesn't deserve to live in 14BC. Hopefully the house is truly beyond repair and he'll be forced to Zap To The Extreme elsewhere.
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Rocky knows how severe things are. It's because of her that we know about the bug infestation that sped Bob along. The trouble is that Rocky has no real authority - I think the only reason Chris involved her in things was because it enabled him to pretend he was doing something about his life while making no real effort. And she's been involved in the Chandler mess for so long that if she could have/would have done anything, it would have happened by now.
 
Mogambo said:
Almost certainly bedbugs, scabies mites and/or even fleas, all of which are associated with poor hygiene and are more than enough reason not to want anything Chris has touched in your house. Sorry to sound a-Loggy. He could have had kissing bugs/blood sucking cone noses (which, by the way, are a vector for Chagas' disease) but they tend to congregate around the mouth and nose. I suppose it's possible that Bob could have gotten chiggers from going outside or even ticks, but those don't really infest indoors. Hell, if he was really unsanitary he might have even contracted a case of myiasis, where maggots developed in his flesh.



Cockroaches might try nibbling on hair or dead skin but they really aren't equipped to bite like that. Hell, they are mostly herbivores/detritovores, not parasites or even active carnivores, and they would have to have a huge, world record type infestation to get them acting like that. Now, on the other hand, cockroaches do have a bad tendency to go into peoples' ears. That I could easily see happening.



Nah, spiders don't tend to have that sort of population density, being predators and all, and many of the most common species in households spin webs so they aren't actively looking for prey. They don't seek out humans either. In cases with things like yellow sac spiders, they tend to bite incidentally, usually when we roll over on them in our sleep or something. One or two spider bites maybe, but I doubt Bob was getting bitten by dozens or hundreds every night.



Well, 'water bug' is sometimes used as a colloquial term for various species of cockroaches in the US, but if you are talking about giant water bugs like those in the genus Lethocerus or Abedus, those are indeed native to the US (including Virginia) and can give a very painful bite. They are actually true bugs of the Order Hemiptera, like bedbugs and the blood sucking cone nose, though they aren't parasites but are instead active predators, hunting insects, crustaceans, tadpoles, fish and even small turtles or frogs. They use their proboscis to inject a very painful venom. It's not fatal, but like I said, very painful and obvious. Hence their nickname of 'toe biters.' I doubt Bob was regularly being bitten by those because, even though they can fly and do leave the water, they aren't an indoor pest and tend to have low population densities (mostly because they can and do eat other giant water bugs).

On the other hand, if you mean roaches, Virginia has plenty of native and introduced species. The main pest species will be the German cockroach (Blatella germanica), the American cockroach (Periplaneta americana) and the Oriental cockroach (Blatta orientalis). The American is the largest of the lot, and it can fly. There are also several native species of wood roach, though they don't infest homes. In Florida, I've heard the term 'water bug' used for both pest species and the native Florida woods cockroach (Eurycotis floridana), though that doesn't occur as far north as Virginia. Like most roaches, it needs dead leaves and hard wood mulch to establish itself. I'd rather expect to see Parcoblatta virginica, Pseudomops septentrionalis or maybe even Pycnoscelus surinamensis in Virginia.
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Neither one of you mentioned the scariest of the non-insects that are sure to be in the hoard: centipedes. :heart-empty:
 
According to the medical reports, I believe it was stated that the injuries Bob had coincided with bites from Bedbugs. Bedbugs themselves don't transmit any particular parasites, but their bites become easily infected, they easily induce allergic reactions, and they can grossly exacerbate existing medical conditions via this.
 
namazuros said:
Living in a rotting, burned out husk with Barb sounds like a punishment out of a Greek myth.

I'm praying Chris moves out. This is sick stuff, honestly. Barb is absolutely nuts for doing this, and shame on her for dragging Chris along for the ride with her emotional abuse.

Edit: oh my god Marvin why did you remind me about their pets too
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From what Skyraider91 has said Chris is as crazy and bad off as Barb is, just in a different way. So I kinda see this as them reaping what they've sown. Barb wanted her Hoard Palace, fought with the insurance company and chose a bargain basement contractor so she'd have more money for barbage. Chris for his part never wanted to grow up and only wanted to play games, he expected others to take care of his problems instead of learning to handle them on his own. When confronted with consequences he would run and hide behind Barb (Borb). Chris actively did his best to evade maturing and learning to become an adult.

This is the result of those actions.
 
Chuggernaut said:
So, is it confirmed they're moving back to 14BC and losing the rental house?
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This was never in doubt but just a matter of when.

Their current house is way outside of thier budget so I hope a Fatty enjoyed it while he could. Cause it's back to the stone ages for our dynamic duo.

Barb is desotying Fattys future but he's too whipped to do anything about it. My hope was that he'd at least have a home to live in but after Barb kicks off what's left of 14 BLC may be unrecoverable and worthless.

No wonder she only won Mother of the Year once.
 
Coldgrip said:
From what Skyraider91 has said Chris is as crazy and bad off as Barb is, just in a different way. So I kinda see this as them reaping what they've sown. Barb wanted her Hoard Palace, fought with the insurance company and chose a bargain basement contractor so she'd have more money for barbage. Chris for his part never wanted to grow up and only wanted to play games, he expected others to take care of his problems instead of learning to handle them on his own. When confronted with consequences he would run and hide behind Barb (Borb). Chris actively did his best to evade maturing and learning to become an adult.

This is the result of those actions.
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Eh, I can't hold Chris responsible for that. He's too immature.
 
Marvin said:
Eh, I can't hold Chris responsible for that. He's too immature.
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Either Chris is an adult, and he should be held responsible for his behavior, or he's a mentally handicapped child who needs constant supervision and is not responsible for his actions. I myself waver back and forth between "Chris should answer fully for everything he's done" and "Chris is a retard who will never improve and needs to be watched over 24/7". The truth on this issue is that Chris is somewhere between both these extremes.

Legally, Chris is considered an adult, and nobody can force him to do anything. However, this might be more of a bad reflection upon our legal system than a fact to cite when vouching for Chris's capabilities.

Whatever you think of Chris's mental state, the fact remains that Chris's poor attitude and upbringing have both negatively contributed to his lack of maturity and responsibility as an adult. Chris was taught to be a victim, and Chris has made conscious decisions again and again to avoid all types of responsibility and actions that would improve or change his life. Chris has always had free will, the power of decision, and the decisions that he's made have usually been pretty bad for himself in the long run.
 
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