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Skyraider, your insight has been invaluable, and thank you for posting here

Barb has got to be one of the most appalling people I have ever heard of. There has got to be a better way
 
Mogambo said:
Oh, I completely agree. I absolutely hate Goodwill, HSN, and dollar stores because they pretty much exist solely to prey on middle aged women with hoarding tendencies. Its bloody exploitative.
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There's a 99 cent store down the road from where I work and it's the best place in town to swing by on my lunch break to grab a snack or a soda, and Goodwill is great for buying "disposable" props or clothing to be used for cosplays and things like that. But I get what you mean about appealing to hoarders, Goodwill and thrift stores tend to have shelves upon shelves of kitschy knick-knacks that I always see old ladies filling baskets with.
 
lisaface said:
Chris started the fire by trying to use the Keurig in the middle of the night. If he was on a normal sleep pattern, he would have started the fire during daylight hours, which would have probably made it easier for the firefighters to deal with.
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I thought the fire wasn't caused by the Keurig but rather the worn out extension cord the Keurig was plugged into. So I figued the Keurig wouldn't have needed to be turned on to cause a fire.
 
lisaface said:
Selling it as-is, below market value, should still let them pay off the mortgage and walk away with some cash. Letting the bank seize the house would just throw away what they've paid off on the mortgage so far.

Ha, look at us, discussing their finances like they're rational people.
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Seeing these photos of the house's current state, I don't think selling "as-is" would net them much more money than just letting the bank take it. With as bad as it is, their equity doesn't amount to much. Plus, do you see Chris taking the time and playing the role of realtor to potential buyers? "Mmm, yeah, dis here is ah, uh, here is, dis here is da kitchen. Little messy. Mmm-hmm. Yeah, and we need you to pay da full $875,000 asking price, ah, da price of the da house, please."

Yeah, this entire line of thinking is purely theoretical, obviously. If they can't see they're drilled way past rock bottom at this point, they're not going to wake up tomorrow and suddenly start making sound financial decisions.
 
Question: is State Farm over seeing the reconstruction?

Or did they just cut Barb a check and let her deal with it herself?
 
DEAGLE 4 LYFE said:
It would have to be drawing significant power, so it would have to have been on. It was kind of a team effort with the cord and coffeemaker.
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This doesn't really jive with how the setup would have been. The extension cord would have 120v running through it at any given time, regardless of what, if anything, is plugged into it. The circuit isn't broken until it reaches the switch inside the coffee maker. If the fire did actually originate from a fray in the extension cord, the coffee maker is irrelevant to the entire situation.

Edit: Unless the extension cord was plugged into a power strip, or a wall outlet that was operated by a light switch. I doubt they turned on their coffee maker by walking into the other room and flipping a switch to energize the extension cord.

Edit: I'm not an electrician by any means, but this is my spergish schematic of how the fire started, according to the fire marshal. If I'm way off, feel free to correct me.

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As the others have said I think it's Barb doing the reconstruction. I have only had to use home insurance builders once and they where VERY professional showed up one day did the assessment ordered what they needed and on the 3rd day they had it fixed (OK mine wasn't as serious as 14 BC, just a boiler and some brick / plaster), hell they covered my floor with this sticky plastic stuff (think meter wide sellotape) and I could not have been happier the builders insurance firms use are well known and reliable and efficient if this is getting to the point where it's looking shoddy either Barb is using the cheepest builder she can find or is throwing a lot of problems into the mix, Think along the lines of "No you can't throw away that stack of half chared used chopsticks they are authentic art from Asia I was given with my takeaway! they are priceless, not even if it's needed to replace that wall", or if she is taking the opportunity to do some remodeling and changing her mind about the layout.

My pick is a little from the cheep column an a little from the hands of my horde, blended together in some bastardized horror show for all involved.
 
Ravenor said:
As the others have said I think it's Barb doing the reconstruction. I have only had to use home insurance builders once and they where VERY professional showed up one day did the assessment ordered what they needed and on the 3rd day they had it fixed (OK mine wasn't as serious as 14 BC, just a boiler and some brick / plaster), hell they covered my floor with this sticky plastic stuff (think meter wide sellotape) and I could not have been happier the builders insurance firms use are well known and reliable and efficient if this is getting to the point where it's looking shoddy either Barb is using the cheepest builder she can find or is throwing a lot of problems into the mix, Think along the lines of "No you can't throw away that stack of half chared used chopsticks they are authentic art from Asia I was given with my takeaway! they are priceless, not even if it's needed to replace that wall", or if she is taking the opportunity to do some remodeling and changing her mind about the layout.

My pick is a little from the cheep column an a little from the hands of my horde, blended together in some bastardized horror show for all involved.
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Most contractors have very little patience in dealing with a work site that has succumbed to hoarding. 9 times out of 10, if the hoard is in the way and the owner gives them any resistance in doing their work because of it, they jack their estimate up by a lot to compensate for cleanup, or back out of the job. Considering Barb's mentality and financial situation, this job went to the lowest bidder, making their profit margin minimal. If she is slowing them down, they are losing money, and sometimes walking away is more cost efficient than finishing the job. Getting into the legalities of what happens after the decision is made is beyond my knowledge, but I'd bet a number of zoning and health codes could be cherry picked to defend the contractor in court if Barb decided to sue. It's really going to come down to just HOW shady the deal is.
 
This whole situation is giving me feels that I can't really handle. Just picturing anyone being forced back into that house, it makes my stomach turn. It's a literal hell, and worse, it's one they built themselves from the ground-up.

I just thank god there's no actual children involved. I mean, Chris is a manbaby who's afraid of mommy, but at least he's legally able to change his situation if he ever grows a spine.
 
Taily Puff said:
This whole situation is giving me feels that I can't really handle. Just picturing anyone being forced back into that house, it makes my stomach turn. It's a literal hell, and worse, it's one they built themselves from the ground-up.

I just thank god there's no actual children involved. I mean, Chris is a manbaby who's afraid of mommy, but at least he's legally able to change his situation if he ever grows a spine.
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Only problem is those poor dogs.
 
ForTheHoard said:
Most contractors have very little patience in dealing with a work site that has succumbed to hoarding. 9 times out of 10, if the hoard is in the way and the owner gives them any resistance in doing their work because of it, they jack their estimate up by a lot to compensate for cleanup, or back out of the job. Considering Barb's mentality and financial situation, this job went to the lowest bidder, making their profit margin minimal. If she is slowing them down, they are losing money, and sometimes walking away is more cost efficient than finishing the job. Getting into the legalities of what happens after the decision is made is beyond my knowledge, but I'd bet a number of zoning and health codes could be cherry picked to defend the contractor in court if Barb decided to sue. It's really going to come down to just HOW shady the deal is.
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From friends' experience with cheap contractors, Chris is gonna be pulling a lot of all nigthers making medallions to pay them off.
 
I feel sorry for the Chandler brood. They could've had a chance to live in a newly renovated hoard free house with brand new kitchen to make themselves dinners that don't involve using the microwave or relying on the endless supply of :qsand: but Barb chooses the hoard over living out her final days in an environment that won't endanger her health.

Chris needs to grow a backbone and tell her enough is enough. the hoard is not a necessity. If Barb decides to say "I'll kill mahself if my collection of filth is moved. " then Chris needs to stop being afraid and stand up to her.
But the likelihood of this is zero.
 
cwcvillemayoress said:
I feel sorry for the Chandler brood. They could've had a chance to live in a newly renovated hoard free house with brand new kitchen to make themselves dinners that don't involve using the microwave or relying on the endless supply of :qsand: but Barb chooses the hoard over living out her final days in an environment that won't endanger her health.

Chris needs to grow a backbone and tell her enough is enough. the hoard is not a necessity. If Barb decides to say "I'll kill mahself if my collection of filth is moved. " then Chris needs to stop being afraid and stand up to her.
But the likelihood of this is zero.
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I can sympathize. Many of didn't quite imagine that this would be the way that Chris' adventure would end, nor did any of us really want him to potentially meet it like this. However, in the long run, we have to grudgingly acknowledge that Barbara Chandler has damned that household. Everyone in it must suffer for the sake of her Barbage. She wasn't willing to part with it when it killed her husband via parasites, and she won't be willing to part with it if and when it winds up killing Chris or herself.

In the end, the Chandlers made their bed, and Barb decided that her hoard was more important than human lives.

Small wonder this situation has ended up as it has.
 
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