Sparkletor
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Either Tut is really smart and knows some way to scam the system to get that money back or he's really dumb and gave Dave thousands of dollars.
2018-10-28 Chargeback Twitlonger
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clownpiss
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i dont think people are unhinged just because they give money or support dsp but this guy actually is unhinged..
after he spam cheered bits over a period of hours making sure he would get full attention with the black man emote and spam gifting subs for more attention he suddenly one day sperged out saying hes scared and has too much to lose by associating with phil (his identity and twitch have ties to nothing).
his actions and logic make no sense, not to mention someone said he donated $150 anonymously(not sure how you can know it was him) then shit on the person who anonymously donated (himself) for tipping phil.
i genuinely believe tut is someone trying to epic pwn dsp while failing miserably and being the most nonsensical attention starved person i've seen in a while.
It depends. If the subs were purchased with his own account and credit card, he won't be able to claim fraud. However, the guy could have easily linked his Twitch username to a stolen Paypal account. The chargebacks might not have been initiated by Tut but by the actual Paypal account owner when they saw their banking balances recently. If that's the case, It's not Phil's or Tut's money either and the account holder should be credited back. They have transaction logging (IP addresses, location logged in ect.) they'll look at and determine the outcome.
I'm not going to say Tut is the sharpest tool in the shed, but I doubt the money he "donated" is actually his.
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Gotta side with Phil on this one, because of the sheer autism of this attempted troll.
I'm going to donate a couple thousand dollars to a balding fat failure of a streamer which could be spent on many other things; food, booze, rent, hookers etc. And then I'm going to try to get it back so as to watch him flail around...Only they might not give me back my cash...and he would be put in the same position if I never gave him the money in the first place...
There are easier ways to troll him, you have his dox, it's public record. You could DDos him, send pizzas to his house, call his phone, do anything but fork over a couple thousand to then refund.
I'm going to donate a couple thousand dollars to a balding fat failure of a streamer which could be spent on many other things; food, booze, rent, hookers etc. And then I'm going to try to get it back so as to watch him flail around...Only they might not give me back my cash...and he would be put in the same position if I never gave him the money in the first place...
There are easier ways to troll him, you have his dox, it's public record. You could DDos him, send pizzas to his house, call his phone, do anything but fork over a couple thousand to then refund.
BatChatillon
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So that's the kind of problem a person has to deal when they solely rely on begging online as a source of income. Stupid people with real jobs do not know what Dave is suffering through right now.
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I don't think this means Tut was a troll all along. At least, not in the true and honest sense like Idea Guy or something. I've said it before, but he seemed to follow DSP, LTG, and Wings - 3 guys who'll do anything for money, and if you throw a few hundred dollars their way, will completely dance to your tune. He seemed to get enjoyment out of having these cucks sit, beg, and roll over for him in a way that most other streamers wouldn't. However he is obviously a complete lunatic and to be fair to Phil, he seemed to always be wary of Tut after the first few days. He said he'd emailed Tut a few times, maybe that tipped Phil off and made him realise this was one paypig that was too volatile.
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Well, he definitely gave him about $3900 in cheers and subs. This is just the tips he did that totaled about $1200.
Sparkletor
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Are the DSP Tut rants going to factor into this in any way?
DSP was pretty vocal about his feelings when it came to chat talking about Tut and not himself. Also the legitimacy of Tut as a supporter.
I'm probably thinking too deep about this, but Tut gives hundreds of gifted subs. Then acts a little shady and DSP calls him out for being suspect and tells chat not to talk about him. Tut comes up with a bank error alibi to explain his behavior. That is evidence of DSP kind of accusing a supporter of sketchy dealings and Tut having legitimate banking problems.
If DSP got in trouble for calling a blue hair a name it could be worse if he is accused of messing with Twitch viewer's money.
DSP was pretty vocal about his feelings when it came to chat talking about Tut and not himself. Also the legitimacy of Tut as a supporter.
I'm probably thinking too deep about this, but Tut gives hundreds of gifted subs. Then acts a little shady and DSP calls him out for being suspect and tells chat not to talk about him. Tut comes up with a bank error alibi to explain his behavior. That is evidence of DSP kind of accusing a supporter of sketchy dealings and Tut having legitimate banking problems.
If DSP got in trouble for calling a blue hair a name it could be worse if he is accused of messing with Twitch viewer's money.
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I have no sympathy for Phil because he brought Tut back at least one other time after he was supposedly suspect and supposedly trying to chargeback before. Phil knew he was suspect before but there was a chance he could get more money when Tut returned...
Tut wasn’t necessarily ragging on whoever the “anonymous” donor was. I think he was upset that HE donated and Phil didn’t give him the attention on the whoreboard. Just reading his logs kinda confirms this.
Tut wasn’t necessarily ragging on whoever the “anonymous” donor was. I think he was upset that HE donated and Phil didn’t give him the attention on the whoreboard. Just reading his logs kinda confirms this.
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I’m under the impression that DSP knows who tips him. Am I mistaken? If it is tut, why wouldn’t DSP come out and say “tut is attempting to chargeback some of his tips”?
I don’t really know how internet tip jars work. Wings will respond to troll tips and say “this guy charges back”., at least according to his detractor videos.
I don’t really know how internet tip jars work. Wings will respond to troll tips and say “this guy charges back”., at least according to his detractor videos.
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The answer is "bad censoring". He wants to protect the anonymous (Tut) while literally describing who it is.
And yes, you are right, Dave knows exactly who tips him. Especially in a case where he describes a long time donator, if it comes from one and the same PayPal account (no matter the name given during the stream) he can see it.
However I don't really get why he says it was an anonymous who tipped 150 (post above mine). Tut's message doesn't read like the tip was anonymous. I have to read the saga again.
Il_Duke
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I'd put money on the charge back being rejected, but I'm not sure we'll actually hear about it when it does. What's more important in Phil's mind - the satisfaction of telling us all how he 'beat the detractors again', or the sympathy he'll get for 'losing' the $1200 he never really got in the first place? I have a feeling we'll never know for sure, but 'detractors DIRECTLY taking money from MY ACCOUNTS' will show up a lot on the Auto-Begger.
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The way I read it, it’s like tut saying, “yeah, $150 from someone anonymous that you don’t recognize? Cut the bullshit Phil.” As if Phil knew it was him but didn’t want to acknowledge it.
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DSP isn’t gearing up for the invasion of Europe, but I’m reluctant to believe anything he says at face value. There’s always a tilt in the narrative. I’ll withhold judgement until more information is discovered and the dramatics tone down. DSP is always building a narrative of some sort, so it will be interesting to see what develops after details are found out.
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The mantra of Fat Fuck Failure Phil: Deflect, Deny, Subvert and always talk at not to, good example see his Friday the 13th video where he got called out.
This+
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The chargebacks will never work, Phil claimed a few years ago that people tried the same shit with paypal chargebacks and he was able to keep the money. I believe this because I think paypal got wise to trolls giving ridiculous amounts of money and then disputing it to piss off streamers back when twitch was relatively new, and they started to monitor twitch related transactions more.
My theory is that Tut, in his infinite Egyptian emperor wisdom (i.e. :autism
believed that the chargebacks would work. Phil got a notification from paypal that a chargeback was attempted but had been denied. Phil sees the amount that was disputed and realizes he could use this to his advantage. Hence, the twitlonger.
We have to remember that most of Phil's lies and claims come from a kernal of truth or a "technical" factoid, and that he's not the type to 100% fabricate a story. One of the more egregious ones off the top of my head is him being the #1 super turbo player, which is on the technicality that he was the highest-placed US/NA player in that tournament, not overall first place.
My theory is that Tut, in his infinite Egyptian emperor wisdom (i.e. :autism
believed that the chargebacks would work. Phil got a notification from paypal that a chargeback was attempted but had been denied. Phil sees the amount that was disputed and realizes he could use this to his advantage. Hence, the twitlonger.We have to remember that most of Phil's lies and claims come from a kernal of truth or a "technical" factoid, and that he's not the type to 100% fabricate a story. One of the more egregious ones off the top of my head is him being the #1 super turbo player, which is on the technicality that he was the highest-placed US/NA player in that tournament, not overall first place.
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Under what grounds could Tut legitimately charge the money back? Imagine my surprise if he was actually able to get the money back because Phil didn't provide the service of switching to Sagat in SFV when Tut asked... Just throwing that out there, Tut....
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Actual fraud, like the one guy who charged back like ~300-400 dollars on Phil right at the end of August or so. Otherwise, I guess you'd have to make a very persuasive argument that you didn't get what you paid for? And that's where I would expect it to fail. That's such a nebulous line when there's no physical product involved.