2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[ApatheticViewer]

... but they don't, do they? That makes this the ultimate form of cuckery.

Hasn't there been people on that side talking about revenge right now?

New Zealand is about to get fucked hard

 

[heathercho]

lol at people getting this mad over a harmless display of compassion and solidarity. Clamping down on civil liberties is a serious problem, Ardern wearing a hijab isn't. If a bunch of Muslims in sandland got together and held candles and crosses every time hajis blew up some Christians, it would be seen as a heartwarming show of compassion and a reminder that most Muslims don't support that shit.

Empty platitudes might be empty but they've always been our way of trying to deescalate conflict and violence and hate.

I'd love to see muslims stick their dicks into the cheesegrater of "compassion" and capitulation, though sadly it's a capital offense in most middle eastern countries.

 

[LiPoPhil]

According to the Supreme Court, yeah it is. Because of how fucked up CP is, that's the one thing the Supreme Court had to go out of its way to comment on and ban even viewing it. Nothing else has gotten that treatment.

Yeah, ironic how free speech ends when enough people say "eww".

 

[Star Stuff]

Yeah, ironic how free speech ends when enough people say "eww".

I hope you're not saying CP is part of free speech. CP actively hurts children. Anything that directly harms other people is not free speech. If I call you a faggot, you better get used to it. If I share naked pictures I forced you to take, I'm going to court.

 

[LiPoPhil]

If I share naked pictures I forced you to take, I'm going to court.

Definitely. But what about the guy who just came across these pictures and wasn't involved in producing or distributing them in any way? Then it only depends on the age. It just seems odd that murder is considered free speech but rape isn't.

 

[der rademacher]

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"In a separate event, state broadcasters Radio NZ and TVNZ will also play the Islamic call to prayer."

Christchurch mosque shootings: Two-minute silence on Friday to honour the dead, PM Jacinda Ardern announces

The Islamic call to prayer will also be broadcast on Friday to honour the dead

www.nzherald.co.nz

On Friday, the NZ public will get to hear "There is no god but Allah", courtesy of the state broadcaster.

This country is like a car that slid slightly, then the driver over corrected it directly in the path of an oncoming truck.

Well, there one thing that's positive about all this. If the muslim "leaders" in NZ are clever and playing their cards right, they'll go and immediately form a political party. Pressing the NZ autists into a guild complex, they can rise to power and overtake the administration. Then, the supposedly nearly defeated IS can come marching in and create their desired islamic state under sharia law. And they can do it in a ahem first world country with all the luxuries of a western world environment instead of some rundown backwater third world dustscape. Allahu akbar.

 

[LU 010]

Definitely. But what about the guy who just came across these pictures and wasn't involved in producing or distributing them in any way? Then it only depends on the age. It just seems odd that murder is considered free speech but rape isn't.

You gotta read back in the thread, homeslice, because this same stupid argument has been addressed approximately 14,000 times already.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

"In a separate event, state broadcasters Radio NZ and TVNZ will also play the Islamic call to prayer"

and throw gays from buildings to support our muslim brothers & sisters

 

[Kosher Salt]

lol at people getting this mad over a harmless display of compassion and solidarity. Clamping down on civil liberties is a serious problem, Ardern wearing a hijab isn't. If a bunch of Muslims in sandland got together and held candles and crosses every time hajis blew up some Christians, it would be seen as a heartwarming show of compassion and a reminder that most Muslims don't support that shit.

Empty platitudes might be empty but they've always been our way of trying to deescalate conflict and violence and hate.

Wearing hijab "in solidarity" is a fucking embarrassment, but fine. It's a fucking joke and it's disrespectful to the many women who have given their lives and sometimes their deaths to the fight to throw off Islamic oppression of women, but you go right ahead and do that. You're only embarrassing yourselves.

The NZ government directing national radio stations to broadcast "There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger", though, is a whole new level of exceptional. That would be flat-out unconstitutional in the US.

 

[HG 400]

Definitely. But what about the guy who just came across these pictures and wasn't involved in producing or distributing them in any way? Then it only depends on the age. It just seems odd that murder is considered free speech but rape isn't.

Child porn is produced by non-pedophiles, to sell, for money. Terrorist murder videos aren't. Watching ISIS hack a dude's head off doesn't add to the market that will eventually convince a desperate peasant woman in Vietnam to sell her kid to pornographers.

 

[voodoo]

It just seems odd that murder is considered free speech but rape isn't.

What?

 

[JosephStalin]

Wearing hijab "in solidarity" is a fucking embarrassment, but fine. It's a fucking joke and it's disrespectful to the many women who have given their lives and sometimes their deaths to the fight to throw off Islamic oppression of women, but you go right ahead and do that. You're only embarrassing yourselves.

The NZ government directing national radio stations to broadcast "There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger", though, is a whole new level of exceptional. That would be flat-out unconstitutional in the US.

However, this is entirely in character for the new nation of Cuckistan, formerly known as New Zealand.

 

[kiwifinder]

Child porn is produced by non-pedophiles, to sell, for money. Terrorist murder videos aren't. Watching ISIS hack a dude's head off doesn't add to the market that will eventually convince a desperate peasant woman in Vietnam to sell her kid to pornographers.

But dont pro-copyright folks argue that pirate stuff harms producers? Hence consuming pirate CP harms producers, kek.
For me difference between distribution and consumption is simple: distribution changes the state of the system. Consumption of any information from public/available source (when no information or money transactions are involved) does not change the state of the system. If the state of the system is not changed then how victims are created? It's voodoo magic logic about revictimization. Jailing for distribution is jailing for affecting socium in negative way. Jailing for possession/consamption is crossing the line from socium to personality IMO.

 

[GS 281]

Child porn is produced by non-pedophiles, to sell, for money.

This is sorta off the topic, but most child porn is produced by children nowadays. I agree with what you're saying in general, but I have to say that a formal distinction should be made in law so retarded kids who exploit themselves or have their exploitation facilitated by some creep don't get in trouble. The toss-up in the law where prosecution is at the discretion of the legal system is kinda bullshit because an overzealous prosecutor could potentially ruin some kid's life who wanted to impress their boyfriend or girlfriend by showing them their naughty bits.

If there is an adult persuading the kid to take the pix they should take the fall for facilitating production because they were the director, but kids should be excluded from the law itself.

 

[Larry Anon]

But dont pro-copyright folks argue that pirate stuff harms producers? Hence consuming pirate CP harms producers, kek.
For me difference between distribution and consumption is simple: distribution changes the state of the system. Consumption of any information from public/available source (when no information or money transactions are involved) does not change the state of the system. If the state of the system is not changed then how victims are created? It's voodoo magic logic about revictimization. Jailing for distribution is jailing for affecting socium in negative way. Jailing for possession/consamption is crossing the line from socium to personality IMO.

STOP trying to derail this thread, you fucking faggots. If you want to talk about CP, go make a new thread. @Null can you clean this up? This is getting ridiculous. They've been going on for two pages about fucking child porn.

 

[a feel]

STOP trying to derail this thread, you fucking faggots. If you want to talk about CP, go make a new thread. @Null can you clean this up? This is getting ridiculous. They've been going on for two pages about fucking child porn.

Just report trolling newfags. Don't feed them. Not trying to backseat moderate, but they should be dealt with by a mod. Just report and ignore.

 

[kiwifinder]

Why anyone cares about dead muslims or christians or other religuous folks anyway? Liers say they respect their beliefs. Their beliefs mean they are in heaven now. It is better in heaven than on Earth. Then what's the tragedy? Liers lie when they say they respect religious beliefs? The same about religious folks. Why they afraid to die and consider it tragedy to be transfered to heaven? They are not believers anough? Means they are liers too. This all has no sense, people = stupid.

 

[LiPoPhil]

Child porn is produced by non-pedophiles, to sell, for money. Terrorist murder videos aren't. Watching ISIS hack a dude's head off doesn't add to the market that will eventually convince a desperate peasant woman in Vietnam to sell her kid to pornographers.

Terrorism is sponsored by non-murderers who would rather drive their Lambos through the desert than blow themselves up. The purpose of the murder videos is to convince other tards with a similar mindset to add themselves to the market of self-proclaimed martyrs with juicy rewards such as 72 virgins or eternal fame among internet autists, depending on one's current religion, and it works exceptionally well. If you really believe that a file on someone's hard disk inevitably causes child rape, then owning ISIS beheading videos inevitably causes more beheadings because some dipshits are inspired by them to put words into actions.

What?

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Jailing for possession/consamption is crossing the line from socium to personality IMO.

Punishing "bad morals" regardless of actual harm or even intent is not exclusive to CP, see the drug and booze laws. The rationale is that you might do something bad with it resulting in actual harm. That's not entirely unreasonable (nuclear weapons...) but usually such restrictions are based on practicality and outrage rather than abstract "fundamentals". And since there are no absolute rights or freedoms (even in the land of the freedumz), each jurisdiction defines their own line where access to information causes "too much" potential harm.

 

[76LD910]

My lad, no they won't, not after Ruby Ridge and Waco and especially the Patriot Act. If it's you against even a mid-city's qualitative firepower, you have zero chance with whatever you've got.

I'm late to this but it's in regards to an anti 2nd argument that always pisses me off so I'll save some time and just quote myself from another thread where this came up:

You have an extremely narrow view of what oppression is, most people who weren't born and raised in the US do. It isn't just the military using overt force to put down dissidents or an uprising, its a lot more subtle than that.

Something as simple as a piece of local legislation that crosses the bounds of what the state or federal constitution permits is a much more common form of oppression. And such legislation is much less likely to pass if there's a possibility that any given attempt at enforcing that law could escalate to violence.

Ironically that incident flared up as the result of firearms violations on the part of the cult, and its a good example of what I'm talking about. Waco wasn't a war zone, it was a simple search and seizure that turned into a 2 month standoff because of a few people with guns.

But i guess because the feds didn't just call in the military to destroy the compound with artillery and indiscriminately gun down anyone they could see in the ruble, we can conclude that guns had zero effect on government officials decisions on how to handle the situation, because that would totally be politically acceptable. After all, the authority's didn't receive any criticism for the fire that started, right ?

I can guarantee you that if some overzealous official with a very creative interpretation of what the 1st amendment means decided to make an example of a guy who uploaded a video of his dog responding to Nazi phrases, and he also had images of bunch of firearms on his social media, they would have a very difficult time finding someone willing to knock on his door.

I would much rather live in a society where the public servants responsible for enforcing laws are paranoid that any interaction with the public could result in a gun fight than one where the public servants feel comfortable enough to directly confront someone because they expressed a non-approved opinion on a social media site.

Anything that throws an obstacle between the menstruating politicians that made such an order possible, the law enforcement officers that have to put themselves on the line to enforce it and the citizen actually being taken into custody and into the system has served its purpose as a tool against oppression.

 

[Freddy Freaker]

Why anyone cares about dead muslims or christians or other religuous folks anyway? Liers say they respect their beliefs. Their beliefs mean they are in heaven now. It is better in heaven than on Earth. Then what's the tragedy? Liers lie when they say they respect religious beliefs? The same about religious folks. Why they afraid to die and consider it tragedy to be transfered to heaven? They are not believers anough? Means they are liers too. This all has no sense, people = stupid.

Anyway the NZ 24 hour gayops police can suck my big fat American freedom bone. Viva la raza Blanca! Gas the bikes race car now