2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

[Marco Fucko]

New Zealand: 36 minutes is a fast response to an active shooter scenario.

Freedom Land:

 

[SugarSnot]

The Kiwi hold no power over the Moon.

 

[HTTP Error 404]

What fucking exceptional ninny puts this shit in the footer of an e-mail? "Oh hey if you're weren't supposed to get this, pls don't read it okay?"

NZ must be housing some prime vegetables.

Every single business email I've ever received has something similar. It allows them to sue you if you don't comply, or so the theory goes..

 

[N836BA]

I live in the country in question but I also happen to be a US citizen (USA #1). I'm just stunned at the extent they are going to block this video. I have no idea if blocking these sites is legal or they are just doing it because they can and don't have to answer to anybody. The ISP's have blocked the sites and I'm guessing the government "asked" them to do it. It's concerning that I have to use a VPN just to feel safe enough to go on fucking Kiwi Farms of all websites! That response to the detective is amazing, I would send some bullshit memes his way but again, being under a country's jurisdiction with "objectionable material" laws like this, no way am I doing that, not even with a VPN. What is objectionable material anyway? And the fact you get to set the rules on what is and what isn't makes it even more of a farce.

 

[Carnavoyeur]

Americans don't realize how unique and unprecedented the first amendment is, sometimes. Other Anglosphere nations can, and will, remove or charge you for speech they don't like.

Case in point: The murderers of Jamie Bulger in the UK were given new identities after being released, and multiple people have been arrested and charged with contempt of court and given suspended sentences for identifying them or posting pictures of them as adults. One of the killers, Jon Venables, keeps fucking up and going back to jail for child porn. Yet they keep giving him a new identity every time he gets out. If he were in the US he'd already have been shanked in prison years ago.

 

[NQ 952]

I find it odd how everyone wants this video taken down but they'll replay the shit out of a couple of airplanes hitting a couple of skyscrapers over and over again.

 

[Battlecruiser3000ad]

Cheeky hobbit cunts

 

[MarvinTheParanoidAndroid]

Now that we're on their radar, there's no reason to assume they'll give up at being told to fuck off when asking for everything on a silver platter like they own the place. You can expect them to act like they do own the place and expect them to try and probe the site in some way, they'll likely collaborate with other powers to do it too.

 

[MediocreMilt]

Pretty much this tbh

 

[Shaka Brah]

I find it odd how everyone wants this video taken down but they'll replay the shit out of a couple of airplanes hitting a couple of skyscrapers over and over again.

It's almost like seeing his manifesto would have the opposite effect from what the government wants, whereas 9/11 was the perfect false flag for a foreign war.

 

[James Smith]

New Zealand Police:

My email address is darksydephil@hotmail.com and I am a New Zealand resident currently living in Renton, Washington in the United States of America.

I hate Muslims.

 

[3ncrypt3d]

So, talking about something is an offence now? No better than Sharia law

 

[Nasty]

charged with contempt of court and given suspended sentences for identifying them or posting pictures of them as adults.

I think it’s probably more to do with the risk of false identification, and some innocent men who look like them getting shanked in an alley.

 

[Captain Manning]

Very proud of you @Null.

Not sure anything more needs to be said.

 

[The Weasel]

@Null your response was ballsy and it made me create an account here. Long live USA and the 2nd Amendment !

It made me create one too, though I've been lurking here daily for months, + watching all the great streams on YouTube & StreamMe (RIP) !

 

[TheWatchfulFurfag]

I feel like showing the video is way more important than typing some murderous dickhead's name in SCARY ALL-CAPS.

It's a gut-wrenching video, but in a way, I feel like it needs to be available, if only as a brutal reminder of the reality of mass shootings, since so many of us 'Murricans have been desensitized to them at this point. It is cruel and ugly. And even if Null were to take it down, it would still circulate. You can't stuff this cat bag into the bag.

Freedom of information leads to an informed populace. Power to the people.

ahem

Fuck the Zealanders and fuck censorship!

Anyone who is seeking to deprive you of information and the free exchange thereof, is seeking to decieve and enslave you.

Can't stop the signal, Insh'nullah

 

[Agoraphobic Bullshit]

Personally, I'm not sure that the video being shared that prolifically is good or useful. Admittedly, I don't know much about the psychology of mass shootings.

Anyway, regardless of how I, or the NZ police, or anyone feel, this was absolutely the right response. Free speech will only remain free if it's defended.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

I feel a certain sympathy for civil service employees who have to take on stupid tasks. That said,

Oh check this out.

https://www.sheriffs.org/content/embracing-technology-decrease-law-enforcement-response-time

The national sheriffs association (btw null my patriotism is intensifying from that response) posted this on February 28 2016.

Here's the best part.

"While calling 911 in an emergency has been around for ages, it can take too long from the time an emergency is reported to the time officers arrive on the scene. The average school shooting lasts 12.5 minutes, while the average police response time is 18 minutes."

Hey NZ Police. You're dogshit. US cops think 18 minutes isn't even good enough. Fucking half your time.

Then this little gem. https://www.creditdonkey.com/average-police-response-time.html

Certain cities are ripe with crime. Here we take a look at some of their response times to help put things into perspective.

• What are the average police response times in Los Angeles? Los Angeles is a city known for its high crime levels. Luckily, the average police response time in LA is just 5.7 minutes.
  
  
  
• What are the average police response times in Chicago? Chicago has its fair share of crime, especially gun violence. However, even with everything going on, they managed to keep their response time at just 3.46 minutes for priority calls.
  
  
  
• What are the average police response times in Detroit? Unfortunately, Detroit always comes in with some of the longest police response times. Topping the charts at 58 minutes, no other city has come even close to this number.
  
  
  
• What are the average police response times in New York City? New York City, with all its hustle and bustle, has a slightly elevated response time. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, New Yorkers wait an average of 9.1 minutes for police after a 9-1-1 call.

Oh and this shit was published a year later. So either they were already this good in those cities or they improved to it.

Here's a clue to improving response times. Stop worrying about the internet and people being offended. Get off your ass and show up to the shooting.

The US national response time is slowed significantly by its vast rural areas where a single trooper or deputy may be the only law enforcement presence for dozens of miles. Quite a few homes in such rural areas also have guns, for that matter.

The fact that they had such a dismal response time to a mass shooting in a metropolitan area (that isn't Detroit, holy shit) is pathetic. Then again, if I was an officer there without proper weapons, body armor or training maybe I wouldn't rush to confront a madman with my baton.

 

[Emperor Yakub]

Glorious Freedomland trumps second rate Australia who can't handle the bants or the beer.

 

[N836BA]

I find it odd how everyone wants this video taken down but they'll replay the shit out of a couple of airplanes hitting a couple of skyscrapers over and over again.

And remember the people jumping and falling from the towers. That wasn't easy to watch yet nobody tried to stop you from seeing it. People were understandably angry the NYT published the falling man photo but the government didn't tell them to remove it and never publish it again. You can't understand 9/11 without seeing that imagery. You can't understand how desperate people were that day to jump out of a 100 floor building to their deaths just so they wouldn't be incinerated.

The fact that they had such a dismal response time to a mass shooting in a metropolitan area (that isn't Detroit, holy shit) is pathetic. Then again, if I was an officer there without proper weapons, body armor or training maybe I wouldn't rush to confront a madman with my baton.

I do have some understanding of how the NZ police respond to armed incidents. They have a local team called the Armed Offenders Squad (AOS) this is similar to a county or city SWAT/SRT team in the US but not exactly the same. They will generally not confront armed people unless they absolutely have to. Their procedure is cordon and contain. They will try to coax armed individuals to give up instead of the other option. They are also an on call group, they don't have full time squads that are always ready to respond. So even the time it takes for them to get the pager message and drive to the police station to gear up takes time that a mass shooter can use to massacre dozens of people. There was a hostage situation years ago and they had to call in the counter terrorism squad from Wellington to rescue the hostage because the guy would not give up. The counter terrorism group, or Special Tactics Group is based in Wellington though so it's at least a 25 minute flight from Christchurch on the fastest planes. STG is a full time group but considering the geographical distance between them and the other two largest cities in New Zealand, it's unlikely they will be first responders. So the response time is really bad but there is a reason, however shitty. I've had to call the police before and they responded within 3 to 5 minutes. If I told them someone had a gun though they would take way longer.