2019-03-17 - New Zealand Police: "We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc"

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Big Question said:
I saw the letter, and I'm gonna get hated for saying this.....I cringed when I saw Nick Monroe's response.
Like, the New Zealand letter was polite, ASKING him if he could hand over information. All he had to do was say no, which he did.

However, Nick sperging out by calling them faggots probably made the situation worse, and his agressive tone makes him look suspicious.

Nick's response easily could have turned him into a lolcow if not for the current situation.

EDIT: He already is, didn't know lol
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Nick =/= Null you little fool
 
Big Question said:
I saw the letter, and I'm gonna get hated for saying this.....I cringed when I saw Nick Monroe's response.
Like, the New Zealand letter was polite, ASKING him if he could hand over information. All he had to do was say no, which he did.

However, Nick sperging out by calling them faggots probably made the situation worse, and his agressive tone makes him look suspicious.

Nick's response easily could have turned him into a lolcow if not for the current situation.

EDIT: He already is, didn't know lol
EDIT: Not Nick, but Josh aka Null
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No dude, the po po used threats. That wasn’t a request, he asked Null to do something “pending legal process” twice. He essentially said “give me what I want before I sue/arrest you.” Which shows how very dumb (and slow) they are in NZ.

In his manifesto, the shooter said he decided on NZ because it was a “target rich environment.” I bet he has no idea how right he was.
 
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One thing I'm curious about is whether this "censor everything" was a planned protocol to be enacted if NZ ever faced a terrorist incident or whether it was decided on the fly.

Did NZ Police suddenly get told by their government on Friday to shut it all down ASAP or was this a plan which was previously developed by multiple agencies some time ago?

The fact that the Australia/NZ counter-terrorism agreement was activated within hours but Australia has made no attempt to censor any of the material despite an Aussie being the perpetrator makes me inclined to think this was not a multi-agency plan already in place but rather the police suddenly being directed to impose censorship without any consultation with them or intelligence agencies.

Barbarella said:
No dude, the po po used threats. That wasn’t a request, he asked Null to do something “pending legal process” twice. He essentially said “give me what I want before I sue/arrest you.” Which shows how very dumb (and slow) they are in NZ.
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It wasn't a threat. It was notice that they intended to make a formal legal request for the information. They even asked Null what form of legal request he would require so they could organise the appropriate paperwork.

"Please can you preserve this while we sort out the paperwork" is not what they say when they are threatening you. When they are threatening you they tell you that you will be committing an offence if you don't comply with the request and generally detail the possible penalties.

I doubt they anticipated the possibility of Null saying "lol no", but it was still a pretty low key request. If they get really pissy about it they'll pass it on to the US authorities to escalate it to a demand.
 
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Barbarella said:
No dude, the po po used threats. That wasn’t a request, he asked Null to do something “pending legal process” twice. He essentially said “give me what I want before I sue/arrest you.” Which shows how very dumb (and slow) they are in NZ.

In his manifesto, the shooter said he decided on NZ because it was a “target rich environment.” I bet he has no idea how right he was.
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He still could have refused without having to do what he did. Know he's gonna look more suspicious with that.
 
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Big Question said:
He still could have refused without having to do what he did. Know he's gonna look more suspicious with that.
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Not sure how you could look more "suspicious" than flat out saying you were the one who uploaded it yourself. He wasn't "suspicious," he just outright did it.
 
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Big Question said:
He still could have refused without having to do what he did. Know he's gonna look more suspicious with that.
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Suspicious of what? Null eagerly confessed to the crime that they are now charging their own citizens with: watching and/or sharing the video. The response wasn't a psy-op it was a fat ameriburger middle finger which the cop recognized, hence his acknowledge in his short response.

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Not sure how you could look more "suspicious" than flat out saying you were the one who uploaded it yourself. He wasn't "suspicious," he just outright did it.
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BOLDYSPICY! said:
Look at all these new members! You should be proud, @Null .


I suppose that's true. Speaking of balls, did you know that NZ is blaming the US for our supposed role in the shooting? (Archive)

I don't agree with everything Dear Feeder says---I'm a bleeding-heart libtard who thinks Orange Man Bad---but fuck NZ police & fuck their shithole country.
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Blame everyone else except their own police force who took more than HALF AN HOUR to respond to a madman shooting everyone.
 
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repentance said:
One thing I'm curious about is whether this "censor everything" was a planned protocol to be enacted if NZ ever faced a terrorist incident or whether it was decided on the fly.

Did NZ Police suddenly get told by their government on Friday to shut it all down ASAP or was this a plan which was previously developed by multiple agencies some time ago?

The fact that the Australia/NZ counter-terrorism agreement was activated within hours but Australia has made no attempt to censor any of the material despite an Aussie being the perpetrator makes me inclined to think this was not a multi-agency plan already in place but rather the police suddenly being directed to impose censorship without any consultation with them or intelligence agencies.



It wasn't a threat. It was notice that they intended to make a formal legal request for the information. They even asked Null what form of legal request he would require so they could organise the appropriate paperwork.

"Please can you preserve this while we sort out the paperwork" is not what they say when they are threatening you. When they are threatening you they tell you that you will be committing an offence if you don't comply with the request and generally detail the possible penalties.

I doubt they anticipated the possibility of Null saying "lol no", but it was still a pretty low key request. If they get really pissy about it they'll pass it on to the US authorities to escalate it to a demand.
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They have a woman in charge, of course they would fuck things up. I don't want to sound sexist, but women in politics don't have a good track record.
 
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Nool was responding to all the attempted censorship from the rest of NZ, which is understandable, but this guy wasn't going that route. As much as NZ gov deserves that tongue-lashing, that poor bastard didn't.
Ah, well; if that's the worst thing that happens to him, in the course of his duty, then he can die smiling.
 
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