Abortion is good. - While bad for the family, it's ultimately positive for society.

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Abortion is not murder, because most fetuses not people. A little gob of flesh that cannot survive outside the womb, is frequently spontaneously aborted i.e. miscarriage and theoretically grows into a viable fetus is not a person. Viable fetuses are a different thing, and there's more room to say that it's murder in those cases, but those are not frequent outside of ghastly feminists who get off aborting kids or medical issues. The pro-life position is one of the most astoundingly arrogant and stupid positions in the world, one that makes your society weaker and costs it untold money to care for crack babies and deformed retards. Abortion stopped tens of millions of blacks and Hispanics from being born. If pro-lifers had their way, they'd be voted down in a generation once all these crack babies grow up and vote D for more gibs, assuming they weren't gunned down first when the crack babies grow up to do home invasions and armed robbery.

It's hard to say abortion is good, I mean it does suck that ultimately you're playing god over the human body. But abortion is a necessity so long as genetic disease and drug addicts exist. Maybe we wouldn't need abortion if junkies were imprisoned, genetic disease cured, and every race had their IQ uplifted to be that of Ashkenazi Jews. But that's science fiction shit, point is abortion is a necessary evil because this world is shit.

The people who say this shit have always lived the most sheltered, ridiculously easy lives. The vast majority of human beings for all of history have been 'destitute'. Hardship makes you stronger and makes it easier for you to bear your burdens. I've known kids who grew up in foster care, in abject poverty, in really shitty situations. It's driven them to survive, none of them mope around about the 'injustice of being born'. The only people I ever hear talk like this are bougie brats, brats who are so fixated on their own suffering that the mildest inconvenience grows to colossal proportions in their own mind.

Because the people in those situations are generally too retarded to even have existential thoughts to begin with. Some people who grew up with retarded methhead parents or who were FAS babies really do make something of themselves. Most don't, that's why poverty is generational. Easiest way to stamp out poverty is to encourage genetic wastes like the average trailer park methhead or inner city crackhead to abort their kids. "Oh why not just tell them to wear condoms and do birth control?" Well good thing you asked, because these people are genuinely retarded and won't do that shit no matter how much you tell them. A baby isn't just a consequence for them (which is weird way to think about babies I gotta say), it's a consequence for society because my tax money goes to support the welfare these trailer trash and hoodrats hoover up every single day, let alone the inevitable prison sentences, crime, etc.

Just to set a rule of engagement for this thread: God doesn't exist, so all religious points are retarded.

Forgive the mutts law, but I wonder if anybodys stance will change if their wife got raped by a nigger; would you raise that little nigger child to 18 or kill it ASAP?

None of the tradcat larpers in this thread will ever have a wife, so the point is moot.

 

[Tablet County]

Abortion is good.
The fetus is evil.

 

[CallmeCicada]

Abortion is not murder, because most fetuses not people

Viable fetuses are a different thing, and there's more room to say that it's murder in those cases, but those are not frequent outside of ghastly feminists who get off aborting kids or medical issues

Not all can come to term yes (that doesn't mean most are not people, that makes no sense), but all abortion of healthy developing children is 100% murder no question, can we at least please stop pretending that if the developing child is healthy and is expected to live/come to term, can we stop pretending its not a child and not murder.

It's a human biologically and legally and in every other sense. If I can will my property to my unborn child it is a living being that has rights, full stop. This is nothing new, the rights of unborn children has been recognized as far back in history as English Common Law and even further in some cases. Last I checked only people are legally able to own things.

Obliatory

I don't expect you to agree with me, but can we at least stop this game of pretending like other wise healthy children that if allowed to come to term aren't children just because the mother has decided to call it a fetus, say it's not even human and abort the pregnancy because she wishes.

Spoiler: PS

Just because you call it a fetus doesn't make it not a human child.

 

[Jive]

How the fuck is not having kids a retarded option? How in God's name is pureeing a fetus in the womb and vacuuming it up easier then wearing a condom or taking a pill, nigga wrap it before you tap it, it's not rocket science. Even if you pull out game is shit or you just hate condom there are so many preventive options that you'd have to just not care or be an incredibly lazy piece of shit.

It's not a valid opinion because the premise of my argument is centered around a situation where a baby is already expected. You can tell a pregnant woman she shouldn't have gotten pregnant but hind sight is 20/20, what next? I agree it should not be used as contraception though. Preferably, there wouldn't be unwanted pregnancies, but it just keeps happening so we have to discuss the issue honestly.

It's also a retarded point since the reason kids where left to die was because food was scarce enough that the baby was literally doomed if they didn't have enough. We have grocery stores, we have food stamps, we have food banks and soup kitchens, sure some will still starve but it's not a literal garentee.

Why should I have to pay for random women's unwanted children for a chance that they may grow out of their shit situation? Let the parent take responsibility for it's mistake and remove the social ill of an unwanted child.

There's nothing more disingenuous then the constant talk of retards and disabled kid when it come to abortion. The conversation on abortion has always been around the people who just don't want a kid, I know, you know it, everyone knows it. The conversation on the less then 1% abortions for disabled kids and rape babys is completely separate from the discussion on elective ababortion.

That's fair, to be honest. But regardless of the reason a child is unwanted it will grow up to be unloved. It's a major issue to allow a class of people with a chip on their shoulder for the hope they'll grow out of it. Even if the woman was irresponsible, if the alternative is to be left a single mother and fuck up the child, it's the responsible position to elect to abort it.

 

[Neodanthril]

fetuses not people.

When does it become a person

 

[Bofa Shekelstein]

I support abortion for Jewish women and women of color!

 

[Town Drunk]

There will never be common ground on the pro/anti abortion people. The antis believe a clump of cells the size of a grain of rice, with no brain has a souls and is a person. The pro abortion people believe an 8 month old fetus should be killed if the mother wants to.

The fact that every progressive (anti racist) supports abortion, and black women get the majority of them, is unquestionably hilarious.

 

[Bofa Shekelstein]

There will never be common ground on the pro/anti abortion people. The antis believe a clump of cells the size of a grain of rice, with no brain has a souls and is a person. The pro abortion people believe an 8 month old fetus should be killed if the mother wants to.

The fact that every progressive (anti racist) supports abortion, and black women get the majority of them, is unquestionably hilarious.

Making abortion a state issue is beautiful because all of the sheboons in blue states will kill their babies while all of the Whites in red states will have no choice but to birth their babies.

 

[redcent]

Abortions are necessary

The majority of the time, a fetus is viable. But there are times the fetus is not. It is part of nature deformaties happen, and the fetus is not going viable, or will die shortly after being born.

Why not end it while it is free from any concept of pain? Why keep it around just so it can live for two years in constant agony then die anyway so pro-lifers can feel good about "saving a babies life" (and it is not a baby. It is physically different from a child that has been born).

And that's not even getting into abortions needed to save a mother's life.

Laws in certain countries *cough* burgerland *cough*) that forbid abortion even in these kind of cases are rather cruel and evil in my honest opinion.

None of the tradcat larpers in this thread will ever have a wife, so the point is moot.

I'd hit one. But then, if I get preggers, and the fetus is FUBAR, that's my life on the line.

Inb4 I am fat and no1 sex with me yadda yadda ya

 

[Dawdler]

When does it become a person

When it can be taxed

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Out of all that you couldn't even make the best argument for abortion, that it kills niggers (which is still bad), truly the worst longform attempt to persuade others on the merits of infanticide.

A child growing up unloved or destitute is worse than it not being born.

That's bullshit and not for you to decide regardless.

Culling young is not a new practice.

Neither is rape, murder, theft, etc.

Some obvious cases, that even the most ardent conservatives can agree on, are allowing abortion for rape, incest, physical deformity and life of the mother.

Being conceived via rape and/or having a deformity aren't valid reasons to kill people. I'm not educated on incestuous offspring, but unless they're in permanent, untreatable agony they deserve life too.

The mythically rare "life of the mother" cases are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, and everyone agrees on them and they're fully legal cases already.

The meme answer of, don't have kids, is retarded.

Not liking it doesn't make it incorrect.

How many of those sad incels wish they were never born?

How about fix societal ills instead of killing babies on the off-chance they may some day not want to live?

An unintended consequence of that is Americans losing their natural calluses to death.

I'm fully ready for deaths of evil people, not innocents.

Are the severly mentality disabled really worth the cost of government appointed social workers? Are the physically disabled really worth the cost of life long medical intervention?

Yes, as long as they don't vote Democrat like you.

 

[redcent]

The mythically rare "life of the mother" cases are a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a percentage, and everyone agrees on them and they're fully legal cases already.

apparently not

I'm fully ready for deaths of evil people, not innocents.

Yes, as long as they don't vote Democrat like you.

"vote x or die" is literally communist tier bull. Heaven forbid someone votes different from you. Why even bother with democracy just go for a dictatorship and get it over with.

You want evil people to die, do a better job of not being evil yourself.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

apparently not

Try actually quoting whatever is relevant to your argument instead of just posting a link, articulate your position.

Why even bother with democracy just go for a dictatorship and get it over with.

Yes please.

You want evil people to die, do a better job of not being evil yourself.

I'll start by opposing infanticide.

 

[LadyOfWisdom]

Having children is a privilege, not a right.
Most countries have a system where contraception is available so most abortions could be avoided if people were more responsible.
If there’s a medical need, abortion is justified.
Otherwise, the baby should be put up for adoption: newborns are most likely to be adopted by decent people and there are many infertile couples who would raise that baby with love.

 

[redcent]

Try actually quoting whatever is relevant to your argument instead of just posting a link, articulate your position.

in case you missed it, women are being denied abortion for the sake of their health/life in the state of Texas due to draconian anti abortion laws.

Yes please.

Lunatic.

Why are you in the usa then? Pack up your bags and go to North Korea if you think it's so crash hot. Go there enjoy some mystery meat and a side of tapeworms.

I'll start by opposing infanticide.

so as the texas infant mortality rate has shot up since said draconian anti-abortion laws have taken place, perhaps you should start opposing anti-abortion laws to stop some of this horrendous infanticide? Hmmmn?

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Not all can come to term yes (that doesn't mean most are not people, that makes no sense), but all abortion of healthy developing children is 100% murder no question, can we at least please stop pretending that if the developing child is healthy and is expected to live/come to term, can we stop pretending its not a child and not murder.

It's a human biologically and legally and in every other sense. If I can will my property to my unborn child it is a living being that has rights, full stop. This is nothing new, the rights of unborn children has been recognized as far back in history as English Common Law and even further in some cases. Last I checked only people are legally able to own things.

Just because it might turn into a child if it isn't spontaneously aborted doesn't mean it's a child. Pro-lifers are like leftists in that they love to redefine words for emotive purposes, but it's pure lunacy to say a potential human being is the same as an actual human being. Just because in 6 months it will be born a healthy baby doesn't mean a tiny blob of flesh without any sex differentation and just the palest semblance of organs is a child. You can barely tell the difference between early stage human fetuses and other mammal fetuses. Not to mention, a child, even a newborn baby, can actually think, learn, and grow. A fetus has less thought, less sentience, less feeling than a cow or a chicken.

And so what if medieval Britbongs said you could will property to fetuses? Plenty of societies tolerated abortion and the destruction of babies born deformed (which I'd argue is primitive and bad, hence why abortion at the earliest possible moment is better).

When does it become a person

Probably after a few months or so when it's viable to survive outside the womb and vaguely resembles a human. People like to use red herrings like heartbeats or brain development, but that's not proof it's a human.

Having children is a privilege, not a right.
Most countries have a system where contraception is available so most abortions could be avoided if people were more responsible.
If there’s a medical need, abortion is justified.
Otherwise, the baby should be put up for adoption: newborns are most likely to be adopted by decent people and there are many infertile couples who would raise that baby with love.

When Romania banned abortion, all they got were miserable orphanages, child slavery, and a sex trafficking problem that persists to this day. Maybe people would adopt the white kids, but nobody's adopting Ja'Trayion the crack baby beside groomers. The latter dominates abortion statistics much as they'd dominate crime statistics if they weren't aborted.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

ancient times

ancient time lmao

it was happening all the way to 20th century in some rural areas

Spoiler: long , selected things from the wiki

Most Stone Age human societies routinely practiced infanticide, and estimates of children killed by infanticide in the Mesolithic and Neolithic eras vary from 15 to 50 percent. Infanticide continued to be common in most societies after the historical era began, including ancient Greece, ancient Rome, the Phoenicians, ancient China, ancient Japan, Pre-Islamic Arabia, Aboriginal Australia, Native Americans, and Native Alaskans.

Infanticide became forbidden in Europe and the Near East during the 1st millennium. Christianity forbade infanticide from its earliest times, which led Constantine the Great and Valentinian I to ban infanticide across the Roman Empire in the 4th century. The practice ceased in Arabia in the 7th century after the founding of Islam, since the Quran prohibits infanticide.[citation needed] Infanticide of male babies had become uncommon in China by the Ming dynasty (1368–1644), whereas infanticide of female babies became more common during the One-Child Policy era (1979–2015). During the period of Company rule in India, the East India Company attempted to eliminate infanticide but were only partially successful, and female infanticide in some parts of India still continues. Infanticide is very rare in industrialised countries but may persist elsewhere.

Parental infanticide researchers have found that mothers are more likely to commit infanticide.[2] In the special case of neonaticide (murder in the first 24 hours of life), mothers account for almost all the perpetrators. Fatherly cases of neonaticide are so rare that they are individually recorded.[3]

Middle Ages​

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Whereas theologians and clerics preached sparing their lives, newborn abandonment continued as registered in both the literature record and in legal documents.[5]: 16  According to William Lecky, exposure in the early Middle Ages, as distinct from other forms of infanticide, "was practiced on a gigantic scale with absolute impunity, noticed by writers with most frigid indifference and, at least in the case of destitute parents, considered a very venial offence".[43]: 355–56  However the first foundling house in Europe was established in Milan in 787 on account of the high number of infanticides and out-of-wedlock births. The Hospital of the Holy Spirit in Rome was founded by Pope Innocent III because women were throwing their infants into the Tiber river.[44]

Unlike other European regions, in the Middle Ages the German mother had the right to expose the newborn.[45]

In the High Middle Ages, abandoning unwanted children finally eclipsed infanticide.[citation needed] Unwanted children were left at the door of church or abbey, and the clergy was assumed to take care of their upbringing. This practice also gave rise to the first orphanages.

However, very high sex ratios were common in even late medieval Europe, which may indicate sex-selective infanticide.[46] The Waldensians, a pre-Reformation medieval Christian sect deemed heretical by the Catholic Church, were accused of participating in infanticide.[47]

Japan​

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Since feudal Edo era Japan the common slang for infanticide was mabiki (間引き), which means to pull plants from an overcrowded garden. A typical method in Japan was smothering the baby's mouth and nose with wet paper.[89] It became common as a method of population control. Farmers would often kill their second or third sons. Daughters were usually spared, as they could be married off, sold off as servants or prostitutes, or sent off to become geishas.[90] Mabiki persisted in the 19th century and early 20th century.[91] According to one estimate, at least 97% of homicide victims in Japan in 1900 were newborns.[92] To bear twins was perceived as barbarous and unlucky and efforts were made to hide or kill one or both twins.[93]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

. The pro abortion people believe an 8 month old fetus should be killed if the mother wants to.

This is bs , most pro abortion people believe there should be between 12 weeks and 24 weeks abortion limit. Its been hijaced by lunatics and grifters to keep the issue alive and act like abortion is banned if its only allowed up to 12 weeks.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

in case you missed it, women are being denied abortion for the sake of their health/life in the state of Texas due to draconian anti abortion laws.

I did miss that because it's either not happening or liberal doctors are breaking the law to concoct a political scandal at the expense of women, because it's not against the law to save a women's life anywhere.

Lunatic.

Says the literal baby killer.

Why are you in the usa then? Pack up your bags and go to North Korea if you think it's so crash hot. Go there enjoy some mystery meat and a side of tapeworms.

I'd rather stay here and oppose you demons.

so as the texas infant mortality rate has shot up since said draconian anti-abortion laws have taken place, perhaps you should start opposing anti-abortion laws to stop some of this horrendous infanticide? Hmmmn?

"to have less murdered babies you should make it legal to murder babies"

 

[redcent]

I did miss that because it's either not happening or liberal doctors are breaking the law to concoct a political scandal at the expense of women, because it's not against the law to save a women's life anywhere.

it is clearly a health risk to wait until a fetus has no heartbeat before an abortion which is what the texas law instructs.

Says the literal baby killer.

and what babies have I killed?

You making straw men up again?

I'd rather stay here and oppose you demons.

you could oppose me more if you moved overseas, actually.

As for demons, you're becoming a devil yourself. Advocating dictatorship, really? What next? Selling your soul?

"to have less murdered babies you should make it legal to murder babies"

infant mortality rate is quite clear, it is the death of infants. Babies. Which abortion bans are causing. Abortion does not kill babies.

Whining about abortion has nothing to do with babies. A fetus is not a baby. At best, what you want to describe would be, what? Fetusicide? Zygotecide?