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Do all those anti AI can't really grasp why people are choosing ai over ''real artist'' is time? time and money
This video may be french but it have interesting point like why a majority of artist are using AI for youtube miniature but aren't telling.
And how the photo pretty much changed concept of painted art in the early 1900/late 1800
but I think it do have the same flaw like attribuating human art with ''soul''
I just hope human artists and AI can work together - Artists who are good and creative enough cannot be fully replaced. Because... Any professionals that produce AI slop are red flags.
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I just hope human artists and AI can work together - Artists who are good and creative enough cannot be fully replaced. Because... Any professionals that produce AI slop are red flags.
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Also I regret to inform everyone but the Box Hub location that housed Willy's Chocolate Experience has been closed.
It's just some shitty offices now and not in possession of the retro mad scientist it deserves. R.I.P.
 
I made a comic about the belief that "X isn't real art". In this case the X is AI generated art, digital art, canvas paintings and sculptures.

I wish I knew how to make it funnier. Maybe I should ask Chat GPT for writing advice lol
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Inser 'Time is a Circle' meme.

But man imagine being so insufferable I'm sat here thinking that I'd rather go watch the content farm's shit. I mean how deep in the twitter activism goonhole do you have to be to preface every fucking thing you say with 'oh I know AI is bad and it's really problematic and I would never do anything like this and I love artists and I would always pay artists and I cannot see any reason why you would ever want to use AI and please artists please like me and draw tranny porn of my pngtuber icon please'. Who the fuck does this appeal to? Like yea sure content farms are bad and AI video generation is kinda meh right now, but who the fuck needs some retard to grandstand before every clip they show? Just collect a load of clips and laugh at them it really isn't hard.
You know AI has gotten pretty good, when katliente now makes expose videos, going through a list of artists saying "this maybe, sort of, kind of looks like AI was used in the process... idk maybe they're just really good, not accusing them of using AI, or anything". What's even the point of these AI artist exposing videos, now that they're too scared to have a take.
Even in these Farms, imply mentioning an object of derision in a non-negative way is considered an endorsement. If anything, sometimes imply mentioning an object of derision at all is considered endorsement.

While there will always be drawn hentai, AI porn for normies who don't give two shits about hentai and the rest of the subculture would be a great idea.
That is jus the same 'lolicon protects children' argument all over again.

As has been mentioned already, you can download this model and run it locally, so it being made in China is irrelevant. The hardware requirements are quite steep, but there are already multiple smaller distillations out there that can run on fairly standard gaming PCs and perform quite impressively. You can even run it on an airgapped setup without an internet connection if you're paranoid about Chinese state hackers having somehow backdoored the model files.
I still say that DeepSeek is massively astroturfed.
Moreover, 'open source' does not mean 'private'. Chrome is open-sourced, yet I do no trust Google.
 
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Do all those anti AI can't really grasp why people are choosing ai over ''real artist'' is time? time and money
This video may be french but it have interesting point like why a majority of artist are using AI for youtube miniature but aren't telling.
And how the photo pretty much changed concept of painted art in the early 1900/late 1800
but I think it do have the same flaw like attribuating human art with ''soul''

Because "muh pain and suffering while drawing."

That's like a boomer saying his parents used to hit him when they were drunk and he turned out tougher and all the kids nowadays are soft because they're not being spanked or beaten.
 
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I still say that DeepSeek is massively astroturfed.
Moreover, 'open source' does not mean 'private'. Chrome is open-sourced, yet I do no trust Google.
Chrome is a bad example. The base browser engine project, Chromium, is open source (and the basis for Brave, Edge and other browsers), but Chrome is Chromium + a bunch of proprietary features.

I also don't see how this open source/private distinction is meaningful when we're talking about model weights provided in the safetensors format. Especially when most people are probably running Llama-based DeepSeek derivatives, adding another level of indirection.
 
AI is already trained on real artists and authors. It cannot actually match them in any meaningful way.

When AI can write a novel that isn’t shit let me know. When AI beats ko-fi level art let me know. When AI can do anything but the same parlor trick or rote variation on someone else’s theme let me know.

As it stands you’re speaking in hypotheticals.
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Someone sent this anti-AI song to me on Discord and I can't stop laughing at it:

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Are they using autotune?

Also, now I know how 'owo' is pronounced.
The pronunciation actually makes things less cringe-inducing.
I wonder if any major AI started claiming it is "parody" how people would react.
I got a better parody:
In general, I’ve been bearish regarding ML (if only in response to the retard, AGI-hucksters), but this new wave of OpenAI 4o posts on xitter has made me realize just how much of the arts/gd/advertisement space is going to be raped by it in the coming years. If I were a middling artist seeing that on the horizon, I'd frankly pivot hard into edgy/porn content that these services tend to ban or just bail completely and do something else.
I wonder how many artists are already killing themselves over a world that is going to be deepfaked and have their art 'stolen'?
Call me werid but why do artist often cite ai as the main reason to lose interest in drawing? I'm an artist, I know ai exist, but I still draw in spite of it. And given how dogshit it is it might poison it anyway lol
The feel tha their art is going to be 'stolen', then the AI s going to generate any art, especially in their 'stolen' style, for free. The AI might even use their style in generating pornographic/'fascis'/'TERF' images.
 
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I wonder how many artists are already killing themselves over a world that is going to be deepfaked and have their art 'stolen'?

The feel tha their art is going to be 'stolen', then the AI s going to generate any art, especially in their 'stolen' style, for free. The AI might even use their style in generating pornographic/'fascis'/'TERF' images.
The few artists that are not bitching and moaning about AI and are against it, are making their art "poisoned" to the scrapping models in which their images are being plucked off without authorization.

Some of such tools are Glaze and Nightshade, which insert garbage metadata into the file to spoof the training model that tries to learn from the image. Other tools apply filters, which are less successful than sending the image or video into a scrambling process that can take hours depending on the size and the power of your computer.

Will stop sites like Midyourney and others? Time will tell, but those artists that are crying "theft" are lazy bums that either don't want to adapt or to go to the length to make their vapid slop radioactive to the AI models.
 
Metadata usually means data embedded at the start or end of the file that's not associated with the normal purpose of the file, like text describing attributes of a song and then the MP3 file data follows. Instead, Glaze and Nightshade apply hostile perturbations to the actual image, resulting in a visible haze/squiggly glitchiness to the image, which is supposed to be harmful to models, like by altering a cat subtly enough that CLIP's examination of it wrongly classifies it as a dog.

The problem is that neither have ever been proven to work in any real world scenario. They were both based on the way very old models were trained and likely would have zero effect on modern models. For every time that someone has taken a bunch of Glazed/Nightshaded images and successfully img2img'd or trained a LoRA with them, defenders have said "noooo you misunderstand, it was never meant to defend against that" (well then what the hell's the point).

If they did have an effect, you would need hundreds of thousands of such images to make a measurable impact on models that train on billions of images.

And if they did have an effect AND there were hundreds of thousands of Glazed/Nightshaded images...it's not as if models are trained in a vacuum. If the final model has fundamental problems and is worse than what came before, people simply won't use it and those who made it will keep working on it. It's no loss to fall back on models we already have access to, with the assistance of LoRAs what we have now can already render anything imaginable.

The creators of Glaze and Nightshade want accolades, they want to be known for this thing and leverage it any way they can, whether that's a job in the industry or a book deal or speaking engagements. They are the only ones who claim it works without evidence and it is in their best interests to maintain this facade as long as possible.
 
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> "They're killing creativity!!"
Really nigga? I was playing around with AI art generators and I literally had to get creative to maneuver around the fact that they are basically gacha gambling machines with the prompts they shit out most likely not being to my liking. This is even worse when there's like a digital monetary system that can only be provided if you spend real money on premium and shit. They're like poker chips being wasted on bet after bet. The house always wins and if you're not BossManJack, you'll know that.

As an artist who makes comics, AI has been helpful with the backgrounds. I hand-draw the characters. It's the backgrounds I use AI on because I also have to mind the quantity and efficiency. However, I have to use multiple prompts and models to get it right. It's not as easy as it looks. Surprisingly, no one has started malding to me directly about it.


These people complaining remind me of people who cry about people who have lamborghinis and designer clothes thinking it all came easy to those individuals when those people buying lamborghinis and designer clothes most likely are in well-paying white collar jobs they needed degrees and connections to get into, some simply being middle class. They only see the surface. Keep scratching and malding.




Speaking of money...
> "You're literally STEALING"

Stealing? The entertainment industry big shot guys live off billions (Hayao Miyazaki being one of those business niggas). They don't have much to lose. They don't have to worry about food and housing while if we spend as little as we probably could on artist commissions and streaming subscriptions just to have some entertainment, we are at risk of going broke.


And guess who's complaining about AI art affecting the billion dollar entertainment industries? The lefty commie artfags. Those who go "eat the rich" and "financhuds bad."


Artfags? I thought you niggas hated them.
 
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The problem is that neither have ever been proven to work in any real world scenario. They were both based on the way very old models were trained and likely would have zero effect on modern models. For every time that someone has taken a bunch of Glazed/Nightshaded images and successfully img2img'd or trained a LoRA with them, defenders have said "noooo you misunderstand, it was never meant to defend against that" (well then what the hell's the point).
The only thing that those tools do is make your art look absolute fucking dogshit and make AI art look much better in comparison. Funnily enough I've never seen anyone use it on anything worth stealing. I almost exclusively see it being used on sketches and lineart that no one is training an AI with. The only twitter retards that care about AI are the cloutchasers, if they used glaze and made their art look disgusting too then they would get less likes which they might as well just fucking kill themselves first.
 
The only thing that those tools do is make your art look absolute fucking dogshit and make AI art look much better in comparison. Funnily enough I've never seen anyone use it on anything worth stealing. I almost exclusively see it being used on sketches and lineart that no one is training an AI with. The only twitter retards that care about AI are the cloutchasers, if they used glaze and made their art look disgusting too then they would get less likes which they might as well just fucking kill themselves first.
The last time I remember Glaze being used, it was on the new Cara.App art website, and they had a feature where every upload on the website was processed through the algorithm. However, the algorithm was so performance costly that they briefly disabled Glaze on the entire website. I'm not sure if they figured it out, but I do find it ironic how people fearmonger the energy consumption of AI, but completely justify using a such a energy costing process just to apply a complicated filter.
 
The only thing that those tools do is make your art look absolute fucking dogshit and make AI art look much better in comparison. Funnily enough I've never seen anyone use it on anything worth stealing.
The first painting ever Glazed is possibly the only thing with enough talent behind it to be worth stealing:
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Karla is the nutty sperg who launched some of the first lawsuits against every AI provider at the time without understanding a thing about any of it and as a result had nearly all of her claims thrown out by the judge.

Some of her claims were thrown out because she didn't realize you have to register your works with the copyright office in order to actually file a lawsuit. Just shrieking rape at the top of their lungs and flailing the whole way.

In the lawsuit against AI companies, including Stability AI, Midjourney, and DeviantArt, Judge William Orrick dismissed the copyright claims of Karla Ortiz and Kelly McKernan with prejudice because they had not registered their works before filing the lawsuit. Although copyright exists from the moment a work is created, registration is required to pursue a lawsuit for infringement. Sarah Andersen's claims were allowed to proceed for the 16 works she had registered.

She seethes a bit in this short video along with her fellow blue hairs:


The last time I remember Glaze being used, it was on the new Cara.App art website, and they had a feature where every upload on the website was processed through the algorithm. However, the algorithm was so performance costly that they briefly disabled Glaze on the entire website. I'm not sure if they figured it out, but I do find it ironic how people fearmonger the energy consumption of AI, but completely justify using a such a energy costing process just to apply a complicated filter.
They never figured it out. To this day it's "coming soon, here are all our plans about how you will have an allotted number of Glazes per day, but whoops, it's not quite implemented." :story:
 
I just hope human artists and AI can work together - Artists who are good and creative enough cannot be fully replaced. Because... Any professionals that produce AI slop are red flags.
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Early on I watched an artist use AI where you basically gave it a prompt and drew the general blobby shapes. They did this 4-5 times over and produced a 'flawless' furry crocodile with blending between scales and flesh perfectly etc. Dad bod but not obese, all these very human-designed things and it could easily have been a $125 piece done in less than an hour.

Instead, they seethe.
 
Early on I watched an artist use AI where you basically gave it a prompt and drew the general blobby shapes. They did this 4-5 times over and produced a 'flawless' furry crocodile with blending between scales and flesh perfectly etc. Dad bod but not obese, all these very human-designed things and it could easily have been a $125 piece done in less than an hour.

Instead, they seethe.
What AI was that? Was it one that requires digital currency that in turn needs real money to get in the end? Because, if that's the case, I'd take drawing by ballpoint pen in the meantime. Not because "oh my soul." I just want to make art, AI or whatever, in peace with the least cost.
 
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