AI Art Seething General

[Lemmingwiser]

speaking off OF AI
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Re the 2nd point that anon said. knowing how some redditors were able to take down conservative subreddits by posting their CP on them, I was expecting that once the real freaks made their hyper realistic AI generated CP they'd clamp down on it. But they've the AoC had been talked a lot recently. We're about to enter clownworld, and by clown I mean the IT clown

I don't think ethots will be a thing of the past at all. There are plenty of OF models who don't make shit, but that is still more than they could make in their shithole. And every country is rapidly becoming a shithole, driving more women towards this variation of the oldest profession.

And as good as AI has gotten, it simply isn't that good yet and even how quick it develops, it simply isn't there.

It's like how guns revolutionised warfare, it still took a long ass time for bows to be phased out, or how we're still using newspaper and radio despite having new arguably better news media.

The AI generated stuff isn't better at a lot of things. It's just cheaper. Yes this means it will transform a lot of marketplaces. But look at how money is being made by ethots. Things like asmr or streaming their sleep are part of it, writing names on bodies. Having teams of 3rd world chatters who impersonate the thot so their high payers feel they're building a relationship.

Making money for thots isn't just about stripping down.

 

[Coolio55]

speaking off OF AI
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Re the 2nd point that anon said. knowing how some redditors were able to take down conservative subreddits by posting their CP on them, I was expecting that once the real freaks made their hyper realistic AI generated CP they'd clamp down on it. But they've the AoC had been talked a lot recently. We're about to enter clownworld, and by clown I mean the IT clown

As much as it creeps me out; Anon may have legal standing here.
The entire argument that public models hinge on is the fact that the processed weight data bears little resemblance to the original data it was trained on. Thus, a child porn model would be perfectly legal. After all, the processed data couldn't be legally considered child porn.
Other factors come into play here such as the inability to tell the difference between real and generated child porn and the fact that the model's entire purpose is to commit crimes. (What reasonable research would require footage of child porn? There's no "for research purposes only" get-out clause.)

 

[Colon capital V]

Lots of seething of AI in the comments under this video:

 

[Runescape Sperg]

Lots of seething of AI in the comments under this video:

A lot of them seem reallyyyy salty about people who make AI art calling themselves "artists". You can tell they're pissed off about that label being taken from them and their furry OC

Doublepost apology but I came across something that has to end up in this thread.


I'm anime illiterate so I've got no clue about the details of the show but netflix japan released a trailer for a new show which credited AI for designing the backgrounds.

https://twitter.com/NetflixJP/status/1620357552025538561

Archived in case it gets deleted due to backlash

Spoiler: People's reactions are exactly what you'd expect

A lot of people are angry at their explanation of doing this to combat labor shortage, which is understandable to a certain degree.


At the same time the team responsible for creating the AI backgrounds had to have their own page in the credits, so it's not exactly like they just pressed a button and generated that stuff for free. They hired people. Just in a different field.

All food for thunks

 

[The Heartthrob]

I'm anime illiterate so I've got no clue about the details of the show but netflix japan released a trailer for a new show which credited AI for designing the backgrounds.

I was about to comment something similar to this. AI is an invaluable tool for artists, whether it's upscaling or removing JPG artifacting or gaining assistance in creating assets like backgrounds or inspiration for mood boards/drafting. It's essentially a robot making collages. I can't see it ever replacing real artists that can actually be leveled with on a human level and who have a specific art style so the hostility is bizarre.

 

[jje100010001]

You know what else I have noticed?

AI does horror really well. You could argue that the right program does everything well, and maybe. But every so often you run across an AI image that comes as close as possible to emulating a real nightmare you may have, or matching up to the exact shapes and lines that compose the thing that you personally imagine to be the most terrifying image possible.

A funny thing happens when you look at such an image enough times: it stops being spooky. Maybe that is the point of why fear can feel so fun sometimes...you're supposed to discover as many possible combinations of shapes, lines, ideas, or concepts as you can and familiarize yourself with them, so that at the end of it all you aren't afraid of anything anymore.

I think it's because 1.) AI does lighting and composition exceptionally well, which enhances mood/atmosphere and draws viewers into the image; 2.) Anatomy matters less in horror, and arguably the moody atmosphere and inhuman aspects of it work to AI's advantage; and 3.) One element of horror is fear of the unknown, and spooky AI images can sometimes feel like a snapshot into a larger, mysterious world- i.e. what lurks in the shadows behind the monster?

I was about to comment something similar to this. AI is an invaluable tool for artists, whether it's upscaling or removing JPG artifacting or gaining assistance in creating assets like backgrounds or inspiration for mood boards/drafting. It's essentially a robot making collages. I can't see it ever replacing real artists that can actually be leveled with on a human level and who have a specific art style so the hostility is bizarre.

I made a comment before that AI will eat its way up the value chain (i.e. artists making UI icons and fx sprites go first), but there will always be a need for a high-level concept artist who will curate art direction- and who are arguably already doing so right now herding production artists into producing art that fits their vision.

 

[The Heartthrob]

I made a comment before that AI will eat its way up the value chain (i.e. artists making UI icons and fx sprites go first), but there will always be a need for a high-level concept artist who will curate art direction- and who are arguably already doing so right now herding production artists into producing art that fits their vision.

Definitely. And the stuff that AI can replace shouldn't affect creators for the most part anyway. It's essentially a DIY solution for people who weren't paying for commissions to begin with and if anything it'll just automate the worst parts of the trade like the corporate shit that nobody likes.

 

[Cats]

I think it's because 1.) AI does lighting and composition exceptionally well, which enhances mood/atmosphere and draws viewers into the image; 2.) Anatomy matters less in horror, and arguably the moody atmosphere and inhuman aspects of it work to AI's advantage; and 3.) One element of horror is fear of the unknown, and spooky AI images can sometimes feel like a snapshot into a larger, mysterious world- i.e. what lurks in the shadows behind the monster?


I made a comment before that AI will eat its way up the value chain (i.e. artists making UI icons and fx sprites go first), but there will always be a need for a high-level concept artist who will curate art direction- and who are arguably already doing so right now herding production artists into producing art that fits their vision.

Well said. As for the second part of the post, yeah that sounds about right.

As a non professional artist I am pretty amazed and excited that the technology has reached the place it has. But the more I think about it the more I do understand why AI art causes some who rely on their talent to feed their families to become worried or upset...maybe even seethe just a little. Why should anyone pay for contracted work if they can just type whatever it is they are looking for into a prompt and wait 5 minutes? If they don't like the outcome they can just reroll the dice. I understand certain projects that may require ultra-specific parameters to be present might be a bit more difficult (or maybe impossible) for the AI to fully create, but some of that can be dealt with after most of the work is finished.

 

[Ether Being]

I was about to comment something similar to this. AI is an invaluable tool for artists, whether it's upscaling or removing JPG artifacting or gaining assistance in creating assets like backgrounds or inspiration for mood boards/drafting. It's essentially a robot making collages. I can't see it ever replacing real artists that can actually be leveled with on a human level and who have a specific art style so the hostility is bizarre.

It really makes me lose faith for humanity in that twitter thread when they disdain the opportunity for AI assisted art(+human style of sketch layout img2img) where those features are a god-send personally as a sketch artist because it speeds up the most tedious process I've never enjoyed about making art; "the polishing a turd process of painting and coloring".
A lot of these twitter weebs in that thread are misunderstanding how beneficial the AI tools speed up the process for japan's suicidal tedious overworked industry where some workers barely see their families at all, it seems like a bunch of full-retard mental gymnastics for these brainlets when they don't see the bigger demoralizing picture of media arts.

 

[The Heartthrob]

It really makes me lose faith for humanity in that twitter thread when they disdain the opportunity for AI assisted art(+human style of sketch layout img2img) where those features are a god-send personally as a sketch artist because it speeds up the most tedious process I've never enjoyed about making art; "the polishing a turd process of painting and coloring".
A lot of these twitter weebs in that thread are misunderstanding how beneficial the AI tools speed up the process for japan's suicidal tedious overworked industry where some workers barely see their families at all, it seems like a bunch of full-retard mental gymnastics for these brainlets when they don't see the bigger demoralizing picture of media arts.

It's sort of like the jump from traditional to digital. The undo button alone saves countless hours of work. It's good to know how to do everything manually, but it's good to work smart too. Why drain yourself getting to the finish line when you can save time and effort and get there just the same? I think a lot of the anger toward AI comes from the problem of artists getting too stuck on prestige. As if tools that ease the process and an accessible program that people can have fun with suddenly robs them of the glory they would have had otherwise. Or suddenly cheapens art.

 

[Frogget-me-not]

Doublepost apology but I came across something that has to end up in this thread.

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I'm anime illiterate so I've got no clue about the details of the show but netflix japan released a trailer for a new show which credited AI for designing the backgrounds.

https://twitter.com/NetflixJP/status/1620357552025538561

Archived in case it gets deleted due to backlash

Spoiler: People's reactions are exactly what you'd expect

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A lot of people are angry at their explanation of doing this to combat labor shortage, which is understandable to a certain degree.

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At the same time the team responsible for creating the AI backgrounds had to have their own page in the credits, so it's not exactly like they just pressed a button and generated that stuff for free. They hired people. Just in a different field.

All food for thunks

I bet if the end card didn’t mention AI, no one would have even noticed. I hope this doesn’t discourage studios — or more importantly, smaller creators who can’t hire a bunch of background painters — from using AI altogether.

Besides, someone had to draw and compose the base sketch. All they’re doing is replacing a bunch of poorly paid interns. It’s not like they pressed a button and used the first image generated.

It's sort of like the jump from traditional to digital. The undo button alone saves countless hours of work. It's good to know how to do everything manually, but it's good to work smart too. Why drain yourself getting to the finish line when you can save time and effort and get there just the same? I think a lot of the anger toward AI comes from the problem of artists getting too stuck on prestige. As if tools that ease the process and an accessible program that people can have fun with suddenly robs them of the glory they would have had otherwise. Or suddenly cheapens art.

Maybe a false equivalency but, imagine people getting upset that digital artists are using the paint bucket tool to colour lineart instead of colouring it in by hand. Clip studio actually has an AI tool that takes it up a step further and colours your drawing automatically, but I don’t remember much seething over that when it was unveiled.

 

[The Heartthrob]

Maybe a false equivalency but, imagine people getting upset that digital artists are using the paint bucket tool to colour lineart instead of colouring it in by hand. Clip studio actually has an AI tool that takes it up a step further and colours your drawing automatically, but I don’t remember much seething over that when it was unveiled.

It's essentially outrage over innovation and new tools, so you could apply it to anything. Like using a palette knife to mix paint instead of a brush, or using the pen tool instead of the brush tool. I think as long as artists are able to take advantage of something on the whole, they won't complain. But the second they feel like their ability to huff their own farts is disrupted, then you have a problem. And since AI allows anyone to make fun art pieces, they're panicking about the integrity of art instead of seeing the bigger picture and how many opportunities it might afford. One really cool one is that you can generate art to help get an image in your head onto paper (figuratively speaking) and then draw over it. Or hell, even trace it and fix issues like wonky eyes or 8 fingers on one hand or lava muscles because it's an original piece that belongs to no one. We all know that tracing and eyeballing is an important tool already that no one wants to admit to.

 

[Lemmingwiser]

It really makes me lose faith for humanity in that twitter thread when they disdain the opportunity for AI assisted art(+human style of sketch layout img2img) where those features are a god-send personally as a sketch artist because it speeds up the most tedious process I've never enjoyed about making art; "the polishing a turd process of painting and coloring".
A lot of these twitter weebs in that thread are misunderstanding how beneficial the AI tools speed up the process for japan's suicidal tedious overworked industry where some workers barely see their families at all, it seems like a bunch of full-retard mental gymnastics for these brainlets when they don't see the bigger demoralizing picture of media arts.

Why lose faith? There are always humans who oppose every change ever. People were afraid they'd lose their soul behind traveling at train speed. I remember asimov describing how he wrote a short story about protestors who tried to prevent the first moon mission and then when that actually happened people called him a visionary. He simply pointed to the fact that this happened every time for every change.

And there are always plenty of legit against reasons that object to each new development. Antibiotics is one of the gratest inventions ever but instead we bred superbacteria that is hardly effected by it.

Plenty of people will get their income chamged by the development and they'll try to control the beast. They might slow it but they can't stop it.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

AI art killed my digital artist dog

 

[Guntburglar]

It has peaked already

 

[under_scores]

Potential as a thread. 500-pager within 3 years, I bet.

 

[Monkey Pink]

Potential as a thread. 500-pager within 3 years, I bet.

Hopefully, because the AI art discussion here on KiwiFarms has already split into 3 threads. One here, one in Internet & Technology, and one in Mass Debates so all of the good drama and discussion is split up at the moment.

This is by far the funniest and most informative thread of the three.

 

[Iwasamwillbe]

Doublepost apology but I came across something that has to end up in this thread.

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I'm anime illiterate so I've got no clue about the details of the show but netflix japan released a trailer for a new show which credited AI for designing the backgrounds.

https://twitter.com/NetflixJP/status/1620357552025538561

Archived in case it gets deleted due to backlash

Spoiler: People's reactions are exactly what you'd expect

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A lot of people are angry at their explanation of doing this to combat labor shortage, which is understandable to a certain degree.

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At the same time the team responsible for creating the AI backgrounds had to have their own page in the credits, so it's not exactly like they just pressed a button and generated that stuff for free. They hired people. Just in a different field.

All food for thunks

I can't help but notice that Japan as a whole has had a more blasé attitude towards AI art than the West, or really anywhere else in the world. I really do wonder why.

 

[Starved Artist]

I can't help but notice that Japan as a whole has had a more blasé attitude towards AI art than the West, or really anywhere else in the world. I really do wonder why.

The japanese have work to death built into their soul.
So, something that makes their job easier, is seen as a godsend. They can now spend less time drawing and more time editing. Drawing from scratch and brainstorming is exhausting and the entire process is draining when you're working with multiple people. Even one picky person can make a week job into a month job. Ai? Bash out every possible combination until everyone's happy, then get to work making it real.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

I can't help but notice that Japan as a whole has had a more blasé attitude towards AI art than the West, or really anywhere else in the world. I really do wonder why.

There's tons of Japanese artists on Twitter with "do not use for AI art" in their profile. They're just as autistic as Westerners about it, they just don't inject whiny identity politics or environmentalism into it.