AI Art Seething General

That aside, the real menace might already be on the horizon, in the form of lawmaking boomers, who come to make them list the source of every last copyrighted image and song, in these datasets.
enjoy falling behind in the AI race I guess

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AI art has it's own workflow to it. You can do a ton with it. Wonky generations are often easily fixed with basic photoshopping skills which somehow everyone had in the late 90s-00s but everyone has seemed to forgotten afterwards. You don't *need* the AI to fix all the mistakes (with inpainting etc.) which is something some people somehow seem conceptually to struggle with. Good old clone stamp, dodge/burn and smudge are often all you need. I actually disagree also with not being able to get fairly "reproducible" results out of it. That is possible too, but yet again, requires specific workflows. Then to get pleasant results, the user still needs to have a sense for aesthetics. It's a different way to make pictures and while some skills overlap, it's it's own distinctive thing. Kinda like how a piano player and a guitar player are both musicians, but aren't necessarily competent at the other guys instrument. I'm pretty sure there is a lot of AI art out there that is not recognized as such. Few people creating stuff with it will admit it's AI art if not immediately visible because of the stigma in that entire community.

The current way these models work is an in-between step anyways, with multimodal models things will look a lot different.
 
"...My hope is that AI will lead to a sort of renaissance of creativity..." ~Rob Minkoff, Director The Lion King, Stuart Little and animator for The Black Cauldron, The Great Mouse Detective.

A nice conversation of industry people and how they view AI compared to the REEEEEEE Seethers on Twitter.

 
...A nice conversation of industry people and how they view AI compared to the REEEEEEE Seethers on Twitter.
Naturally. If you actually have talent you have nothing to worry about with AI. People serious about their trade will always be on top of the newest tools and AI is the newest development. Now a professional can integrate AI to their workflow and pump out 10x the ideas, vision, and scope with the same amount of time and effort. Now you can automate several processes to do the brunt of the work for you. Just like how digital art cut out the tedium of needing physical art supplies and added useful tools to the workflow. The fact that so many people are so bothered by AI is proof alone that there is a thriving market for 'real' art. Lol literally just do nothing and it will be A-ok.
 
None of these impotent Redditors, including Moviebob - the somehow even fatter version of Fatrick, can accomplish anything.

That aside, the real menace might already be on the horizon, in the form of lawmaking boomers, who come to make them list the source of every last copyrighted image and song, in these datasets.

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Is there a bigger piece of shit in Congress right now than this colossal faggot?
 
If they're bitching about how these Ais are trained on stolen art why won't they train them on their own drawings? Especially for the artists with large portfolios and actual deadlines, it would be a smart way to speed up the process...
well thats the thing. some of them do. not all of them obviously, but there are people who do exactly that. its really technical however and not many are interested in learning how that shit works just so they can do things slightly faster when they get something of equivalent or better quality themselves if they're skilled enough
 
If they're bitching about how these Ais are trained on stolen art why won't they train them on their own drawings? Especially for the artists with large portfolios and actual deadlines, it would be a smart way to speed up the process...
It would eliminate the process, which for many people, is a major aspect of why they got interested in making stuff to begin with - the process of making it. The actual process of drawing, painting, whatever.

This stuff is largely a replacement for the process. You can argue it's a tool, but it more resembles commissioning another human to make something for you and then having them do revisions.

It sucks, but it's inevitable. Too much profit involved for it to not happen.
 
I like to browse artwork forum threads. The threads are separated between AI and regular art but unlike the twitter and reddit crowd the audience including me generally don't give a shit what it is as long as its good. I was interested in the AI stuff for awhile but eventually got bored of it and and now am back to mostly browsing the traditional art thread just popping into the AI one once in awhile and generally immediately going back.

I can't believe I'm starting to agree a little bit with the antiAI weebs but the vast vast majority or more of AI art lacks a sense of composition or 'soul' as some people might say. For example generating a pic of an attractive woman but its just a woman in a similar boring static pose in the same style over and over again. Once the novelty wears off you quickly tire of browsing through the flood. I mean you'll find a neat pic here and there but generally 'real' artists turn out more interesting pictures much more consistently. And maybe I'm imagining things but it seems the quality has stagnated recently or even reversed a bit. I don't know if the lack of quality or creativity is due to the software or just a flood of untalented prompters. Maybe for a quick and dirty simple stock image or a supplmentAI will do the job but for aesthetic works of art I'm starting to think the panic may be a bit overblown at least for now. I'm no antiAI zealot demanding this or that be banned. Just something I've started to notice.
 
I like to browse artwork forum threads. The threads are separated between AI and regular art but unlike the twitter and reddit crowd the audience including me generally don't give a shit what it is as long as its good. I was interested in the AI stuff for awhile but eventually got bored of it and and now am back to mostly browsing the traditional art thread just popping into the AI one once in awhile and generally immediately going back.

I can't believe I'm starting to agree a little bit with the antiAI weebs but the vast vast majority or more of AI art lacks a sense of composition or 'soul' as some people might say. For example generating a pic of an attractive woman but its just a woman in a similar boring static pose in the same style over and over again. Once the novelty wears off you quickly tire of browsing through the flood. I mean you'll find a neat pic here and there but generally 'real' artists turn out more interesting pictures much more consistently. And maybe I'm imagining things but it seems the quality has stagnated recently or even reversed a bit. I don't know if the lack of quality or creativity is due to the software or just a flood of untalented prompters. Maybe for a quick and dirty simple stock image or a supplmentAI will do the job but for aesthetic works of art I'm starting to think the panic may be a bit overblown at least for now. I'm no antiAI zealot demanding this or that be banned. Just something I've started to notice.
It's the same thing as browsing early (or maybe even current, I wouldn't know) DeviantArt and it being full of crayon-drawn, MSPaint crap. The same style is people who use the most generic (usually SD) models and have no desire to make something with "sovl" or good composition. I save nice AI art I see sometimes, I have this art someone made in MidJourney a month ago:

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I wasn't even aware you could have lighting and detail like that in an AI piece.

There are plenty of people who can wrangle Bing very well to great results (Dalle is a lot better in composition than any SD model). Not to say SD is bad, if you get the right lora it can be indistinguishable from stylized human art, like the examples on this Civitai page.

Other people could possibly provide better examples, but these are what I thought of first.

AI has a boost at the beginning, but then it has an extremely steep learning curve to make art anywhere as good as good human artists, as far as "consistentcy" and "interesting" goes. If artists stopped whining and started using it, I'm sure they'd make art that was incomparably better in both speed and quality than manual artists and AI artists who only stick to their own medium and are experts in it. In the end, only a small percentage of both human and AI artists make good art, the rest makes slop, they're really not that different after all, if you will. But seeing the same repetitive style spammed everywhere is very annoying.
 
Is there a bigger piece of shit in Congress right now than this colossal faggot?
I say environmentalists. Do you remember Agenda 21 or Solyndra or Keystone or Telsa or Klamath dams? Those are just some from the USA. The worst part is tha they not only unironically believe that Onion article about solar being ready 'whenever' but also this Joel Pett comic:
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Honestly, I am surprised tha they are not banning AI over their massiv energy use... or did not do the same with cryptocurrency or NFTs.
Then again, they igno Red China wrecking th environment. After all, both support Communism while th environmentalists wan to 'Stop Asian Hate' and think that racism is a global warming problem.
That last part is not satire.
 
AI is a tool. It lowers the bar of entry tremendously so that you get gazillions of pictures of people whose creativity goes all the way to "blonde woman in skimpy clothing" and "anime girl with big jugs". IT should come at no surprise. These people might not have a good grasp on e.g. anatomy, what good image composition is, hell they might even have poor taste. "one anime girl, big boobs, smiling" takes not a lot of effort to type. If these people could draw, that's what they would draw and it wouldn't be anymore interesting to look at. Hell, there's a ton of artists that actually can draw and that's basically all they draw. With AI it's faster and easier, that's about it. Non-AI art is more often than not garbage too. There's a ton of art lying in some artists drawer, basement or on a harddrive that nobody cares to look at because it's just not that special or interesting. There's also no such thing as objectively good art anyways. For every famous piece of art you'll find a horde of art critics hating it.

It's kinda hard to argue with people about the merits how useful AI art is if they simply don't know what is possible with the tools that exist. As first step, at the current stage of technology, I would move away from seeing it as a thing the AI does. The user is in control. The user makes the art. AI art implies it's art made by some semi-intelligent automaton, which especially for more involved workflows is simply not the case. The text prompt you know from Dall-E and such by itself is a very basic and limited way to interact with image generation models. You can do a lot more with them and you can control their outputs actually pretty well. It just takes skill, knowledge and time. For example you can actually completely control what a scene consists of. You can pose people in generations, down to their fingers. You can insert and remove objects in specific places. You can even control where the light is coming from. I am sure some people reading this now didn't even know that. There is a bar of entry there the "anime girl with big jugs" enjoyer will never cross. It won't stop him from posting 500 pictures like that a day, though. Every time you see fucked up eyes, muscle definitons that are confusing, skin textures that looks alarming, shadows that don't make sense, fingers that are fucked up, style that changes from picture to picture, pixel art that has weird half pixels and artifacts etc... it's because the people generating that picture didn't care about it and just puked it on the internet. It is perfectly possible to get these things right. That needs technique, a process and work. I feel people are in general not very willing to share these workflows, because they see an advantage in "owning" them and not giving others a leg up. Then all of this is very fast moving and hasn't been around for long. So not many people even know how to use all this technology in a sensible way.

I'm old enough to remember when "digital art" slowly started to become a thing, and it was quite similar then. A lot of overnight sensations and dead ends then too. Also a lot of people looking down on it.

Thing is also, AI art won't end here for any appreciable amount of time. It's just gonna get crazier.
 
It would eliminate the process, which for many people, is a major aspect of why they got interested in making stuff to begin with - the process of making it. The actual process of drawing, painting, whatever.

This stuff is largely a replacement for the process. You can argue it's a tool, but it more resembles commissioning another human to make something for you and then having them do revisions.

It sucks, but it's inevitable. Too much profit involved for it to not happen.

It doesn't eliminate any process, only the artist who has their head in the sand would believe that. Film photography vs Digital Photography is a prime example of this. In film where you have to develop the film, print the film, reshoot, mask out problem negatives, create filters for those fixed negatives to enhance them, etc. all manually mind you just to get one good image requires the artist to choose a different workflow; ie shoot less photos. Digital photographers get to enjoy the benefits of abundance, it is faster to iterate and sculpt an image in person and in post when compared to film. Different workflows completely. Now, I carry both a digital camera and a film camera utilizing the best of both worlds. I can see if I have my exposure correct, get a general framing and composition position, then shoot the final image on a film camera. In essence I am using digital photography as the rough draft to the final image. The only reason people reject AI instead of embracing it and integrating it into their workflow is one thing and one thing alone; Pride.
 
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