Alcoholism Support Thread - Down the hatch

[neger psykolog]

Baclofen is a GABA-B agonist, so it's very similar to alcohol in its mechanism of action. It makes sense that it would make you feel better. I'd be very careful getting off that if you ever decide to. Taper down if anything. I'm not sure if it's a full agonist or partial, but GABA rebound can lead to status epilecticus.

Yeah its not something I'm planning on coming off of anytime soon but I am aware of that. Due to the dose I take and how long I've been taking it I would have to do a very gradual dose reduction and it'd take like 2 months at minimum if I had to guess.

As it turns out some people with autism/aspergers take it to deal with the extreme levels of anxiety + irritability to chill them the fuck out and a non-insubstantial number of people who are alcoholics and seek treatment end up being diagnosed with autism. It works better for anxiety than benzos or antidepressants for me and is way more consistent + non-addictive.

I'm with YGD on this. Replacing one GABA agonist with another is not a good idea and doesn't treat the underlying desire to numb yourself.

It did treat it though, very effectively. I tried Naltrexone, acamprosate and a bunch of other shit as well as therapy and none of them really worked at all beforehand and when I put my foot down and said no more fucking antidepressants the doctor suggested it - worked immediately pretty much and firstly reduced my reliance on alcohol and then eventually made me lose interest in it entirely.

Of course I wouldn't recommend just trying it randomly without a doctor to prescribe it. My doctor has a high level of expertise and experience with addiction so I'm pretty sure they didn't prescribe it randomly for me. It's been a godsend - I've been on the same, consistent dose for ages now and it doesn't really work to take a bunch to numb yourself. For me, it just chills me out and makes me feel "normal". I'm a lot more level-headed and relaxed when socially interacting with people and a lot more stable in general because of it, don't feel extreme anxiety anymore and don't feel like I'm taking it just to numb myself. Can laugh, have a fun day with friends and a good time and have lost all desire for alcohol.

I've said more than once to my doctor that I wish they prescribed that shit to me as the first line treatment instead of all the naltrexone and faggy shit and talk therapy. I ended up burning through a giant stack of money getting to the answer of baclofen but it has solved a lot of problems for me.

It also extends to not taking recreational drugs or anything like that anymore. It's been great.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

God damn, this thread is tough to read...surely these three beer bottles on my desk cannot ever take me down to your level?..

I started with a few beers a night and ended with a liter of vodka a day. Not saying that's what will happen to you, but no one ever said their lives improved by drinking.

 

[MAAAD]

I started with a few beers a night and ended with a liter of vodka a day. Not saying that's what will happen to you, but no one ever said their lives improved by drinking.

I think you might be onto something here. I'm the only person within my social circles that can and does drink alone, and everyone who I told about how I sometimes choose to spend my Saturday evenings have acted genuinely surprised, if not secretly concerned. Am I really such a lost, miserable and sad creature to and in comparison with everyone I know and care about?
Well, regardless, I already bought this beer so it's going into my belly anyway. I can't wait to graduate from this fucking university so I could finally enlist in the army, maybe.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I've learned to just not bring liquor into the house. For me it was more the habit of just having something to sip on while I am at home. Drinking wine or even ginger ale scratched the habit just as well. Fever tree ginger ale is the shit BTW.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I think you might be onto something here. I'm the only person within my social circles that can and does drink alone, and everyone who I told about how I sometimes choose to spend my Saturday evenings have acted genuinely surprised, if not secretly concerned. Am I really such a lost, miserable and sad creature to and in comparison with everyone I know and care about?
Well, regardless, I already bought this beer so it's going into my belly anyway. I can't wait to graduate from this fucking university so I could finally enlist in the army, maybe.

"I'll stop drinking when X happens" is an excuse. The time to stop drinking and make a change is now.

I've learned to just not bring liquor into the house. For me it was more the habit of just having something to sip on while I am at home. Drinking wine or even ginger ale scratched the habit just as well. Fever tree ginger ale is the shit BTW.

When I first got sober, I found seltzers really helpful.

 

[MAAAD]

"I'll stop drinking when X happens" is an excuse. The time to stop drinking and make a change is now.

Thst wasn't the [oint. M ypoint was I already bought the beer, when you literally spend your hard-eanred money onn something you don't just throw it awya, that si smy principle with everything ,inlcuding beer.

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Thst wasn't the [oint. M ypoint was I already bought the beer, when you literally spend your hard-eanred money onn something you don't just throw it awya, that si smy principle with everything ,inlcuding beer.

"I spent my money on this thing that can slowly kill me, so that's why I have to keep doing it!"

 

[MAAAD]

"I spent my money on this thing that can slowly kill me, so that's why I have to keep doing it!"

Not KEEP doign it, I was talking about the specific cureent instance.

 

[YHWH's Strongest Soldier]

Thst wasn't the [oint. M ypoint was I already bought the beer, when you literally spend your hard-eanred money onn something you don't just throw it awya, that si smy principle with everything ,inlcuding beer.

That's how people get fat and perpetually drunk. Maybe it's not comparable, but I've seen someone go from very thin to overweight with this logic. The only person to think worse of you for throwing out unhealthy shit is yourself. Go ahead and take that next sip though, I know you can't go without it once there's a bottle in your vicinity.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

It did treat it though, very effectively. I tried Naltrexone

Naltrexone is the extended release version of Naloxone. It's XR Narcan basically. It's specifically for people who have an opioid response to alcohol, which is a congenital thing. Traditionally, alcohol acts on GABA receptors as an agonist, meaning it keeps that neurotransmitter (GABA) active. This has a number of different effects.

For someone with anxiety I would presume you're not experiencing the opiate effect, but relying on the GABA effect for normalcy. If Baclofen is working for you, that works for me. I'd be careful driving, or coming off. I always say that there's no free lunch in medicine, but if this has significantly made your life better, don't get off it.

Not KEEP doign it, I was talking about the specific cureent instance.

I'm rooting for you buddy. You're drunk. Everyone here can relate.

That being said, when I buy ammunition I don't feel compelled to fire it into the roof of my mouth just because I spent money on it.

Listen to Johnny, I turn to that guy when I'm not coping. He's a pretty good source.

 

[Jerk Sausage]

I've spent money on objects worth hundreds or thousands of dollars that end up in the trash or given away when my use or interest in them became worthless. Purging items and removing that sunk cost fallacy of "I spent money on it, therefore it remains" feels great and is a burden off my brain.

Yet, I can relate 100% to the commitment of consuming all the alcohol once it had entered my domain. I never once let a case go unfinished, a bottle sit at the same level for more than a day, a wine bag sit fat and full, a glass at a restaurant get cleaned up with alcohol still in it, etc. Every drop that was available to me got filtered through my liver; never the trash, the drain or the dump tray of a bus boy.

My awareness of that at the time was pure logical reasoning, as MAAAD sees it. I bought it, what else would I possibly do with it?

My awareness of my perception of reality being completely twisted in order to defend and cope for my selfish alcoholic nature didn't come until I got much much worse. Doesn't have to be that way for everyone.

Whether it's a brown beer bottle or an orange Rx bottle, I can't take anything that makes me feel different. I like feeling different too much. It allows me to deny the reality of myself and excuse away all of my own faults.

 

[MAAAD]

That's how people get fat and perpetually drunk. Maybe it's not comparable, but I've seen someone go from very thing to overweight with this logic. The only person to think worse of you for throwing out unhealthy shit is yourself. Go ahead and take that next sip though, I know you can't go without it once there's a bottle in your vicinity.

Naltrexone is the extended release version of Naloxone. It's XR Narcan basically. It's specifically for people who have an opioid response to alcohol, which is a congenital thing. Traditionally, alcohol acts on GABA receptors as an agonist, meaning it keeps that neurotransmitter (GABA) active. This has a number of different effects.

For someone with anxiety I would presume you're not experiencing the opiate effect, but relying on the GABA effect for normalcy. If Baclofen is working for you, that works for me. I'd be careful driving, or coming off. I always say that there's no free lunch in medicine, but if this has significantly made your life better, don't get off it.

I'm rooting for you buddy. You're drunk. Everyone here can relate.

That being said, when I buy ammunition I don't feel compelled to fire it into the roof of my mouth just because I spent money on it.

Listen to Johnny, I turn to that guy when I'm not coping. He's a pretty good source.

fuk you weaklings I'M CELEB ARATING it;s finall y the end of some shbitnthat i;m not gonna talk about cause tha t woudl consistuitue powel lverl. You're weak no real man would actually ben dover over a funny liquid lmamo. lmao ven/. You have to be weak and pathetic to become addictated. That;sfact., I'm n0m wimpy pussy yo be come ADDICTED LOLZ/. That's for weak westerners like yohw.

 

[neger psykolog]

Naltrexone is the extended release version of Naloxone. It's XR Narcan basically. It's specifically for people who have an opioid response to alcohol, which is a congenital thing. Traditionally, alcohol acts on GABA receptors as an agonist, meaning it keeps that neurotransmitter (GABA) active. This has a number of different effects.

For someone with anxiety I would presume you're not experiencing the opiate effect, but relying on the GABA effect for normalcy. If Baclofen is working for you, that works for me. I'd be careful driving, or coming off. I always say that there's no free lunch in medicine, but if this has significantly made your life better, don't get off it.

Naltrexone is fucking weird because it removes the "high" from fast food also once you've taken it long enough which is hard to explain. And when you do drink on it you get all the negatives but not rush from alcohol which is really hard to explain - but if you're a person who has one drink and then can't stop until you blackout it basically stops the rush that you get from drinking.

There's something called the Sinclair method where instead of taking naltrexone every single day you just take a pill an hour before you're going to drink and some people find that works well for them.

And yeah baclofen makes people become super sleepy normally but I'm fine on it and can drive and do everything normally with zero impact. I did have a tiny bit of memory loss stuff with it early on but nothing severe and have also seemed to adjust to that.

 

[MAAAD]

I've spent money on objects worth hundreds or thousands of dollars that end up in the trash or given away when my use or interest in them became worthless. Purging items and removing that sunk cost fallacy of "I spent money on it, therefore it remains" feels great and is a burden off my brain.

Yet, I can relate 100% to the commitment of consuming all the alcohol once it had entered my domain. I never once let a case go unfinished, a bottle sit at the same level for more than a day, a wine bag sit fat and full, a glass at a restaurant get cleaned up with alcohol still in it, etc. Every drop that was available to me got filtered through my liver; never the trash, the drain or the dump tray of a bus boy.

My awareness of that at the time was pure logical reasoning, as MAAAD sees it. I bought it, what else would I possibly do with it?

My awareness of my perception of reality being completely twisted in order to defend and cope for my selfish alcoholic nature didn't come until I got much much worse. Doesn't have to be that way for everyone.

Whether it's a brown beer bottle or an orange Rx bottle, I can't take anything that makes me feel different. I like feeling different too much. It allows me to deny the reality of myself and excuse away all of my own faults.

See, you agre with me. It's just pure practical reasojnj g is all/.You don;t waste tshit yu spen money on, sim ple as that.

 

[Jerk Sausage]

See, you agre with me. It's just pure practical reasojnj g is all/.You don;t waste tshit yu spen money on, sim ple as that.

Yes fortunately for me I have the hindsight to recollect the ways I used to think, and that version of me is right there with you, brother. If I didn't reflect or have those in the throes of their worst days remind me of why I quit, I might say I'm cured and drink again.

Read again tomorrow.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

See, you agre with me. It's just pure practical reasojnj g is all/.You don;t waste tshit yu spen money on, sim ple as that.

We'll see you in the morning buddy. Just be safe.

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

Naltrexone is fucking weird because it removes the "high" from fast food also once you've taken it long enough which is hard to explain. And when you do drink on it you get all the negatives but not rush from alcohol which is really hard to explain - but if you're a person who has one drink and then can't stop until you blackout it basically stops the rush that you get from drinking.

There's something called the Sinclair method where instead of taking naltrexone every single day you just take a pill an hour before you're going to drink and some people find that works well for them.

And yeah baclofen makes people become super sleepy normally but I'm fine on it and can drive and do everything normally with zero impact. I did have a tiny bit of memory loss stuff with it early on but nothing severe and have also seemed to adjust to that.

Yeah, there's a number of different things that are controlled by the opioid reward pathway. A lot of them are learned behaviors, but there's a decent case to be made for epigenetic and hereditary involvement in the system where you wouldn't normally expect it.

Not every person has that rush when they drink. I do. More accurately, I get the horrible opiatic withdrawal feeling when I stop drinking. It's why one is never enough. That's how Naltrexone/Naloxone work; They aggressively inhabit opioid receptors so other opioids cannot fill them and make them fire. So when you drink on it, it doesn't react. You can retrain your brain that alcohol is not going to give you the reward system.

It's important to note that alcohol does not contain opioids like heroin or morphine. Your body is actually producing those (in some people) as a response to the GABA agonism of alcohol. GABA is Gamma-Aminobutyric Acid, and it is a neurotransmitter like all of the various opioids, but acts on separate GABA receptors. It controls a bunch of bodily functions, also like opioids, but most germane to my point it is a central nervous system depressant.

When you come down off opioids you will feel a level of displeasure that's almost indescribable. Heroin addicts will call it "dope sick". You can feel no joy, as joy is a product of the dopamine reward pathway.

When you come off GABA agonists like alcohol or Xanax you will feel twitchy, and hyperactive. Some people will experience paranoia and psychosis. This is your body raising the central nervous system to a normal level of activity. In severe cases you will have seizures from the GABA rebound. In the worst cases you will enter status epilecticus, a persistent state of concurrent tonic clonic seizures, until you asphyxiate and die.

Opioid withdrawals suck. GABA withdrawals will kill you. Alcohol can give you both. This shit is poison.

 

[Second Alter Ego]

That being said, when I buy ammunition I don't feel compelled to fire it into the roof of my mouth just because I spent money on it.

You DON'T? Have I been doing it wrong this whole time???

You have to be weak and pathetic to become addictated. That;sfact.,

Can confirm

I took my trusty whisky bottle out of my car after last ...incident and swore I will totally never in a million years bring booze into my car and drink it again, it's been like 3 days and I'm already itching to do it again like this giant mosquito bite, the 20 minute drive home from work is just that intolerable
I have to have booze the second I clock out because I spent the whole shift shaking and panicking without it it's like fucking oxygen
I would say that is extremely weak and pathetic

I'm the only person within my social circles that can and does drink alone, and everyone who I told about how I sometimes choose to spend my Saturday evenings have acted genuinely surprised, if not secretly concerned. Am I really such a lost, miserable and sad creature to and in comparison with everyone I know and care about?

Talking to normies the only reasons they have for drinking are to socialize easier when they're already with a group of people
So for us people who bypass the social situation in the first place and drink without other people, it looks to them like teenagers drinking cough syrup to get high, there's no "cough" to necessitate its use

@mindlessobserver is dead right: go to the ER.

As others have said, go to an emergency room ASAP.

Dudes I am not going to the fucking ER I am completely fine calm down

 

[Your Girlfriend's Dad]

@MAAAD How are you today? Hoping you're feeling ok.

@Second Alter Ego Bud i think you're thriving off the negative attention. I'm rooting for you, but I don't think I can reply to you without being part of the problem. Please get some help, this is the last time I'll say it. I watch people like you die every week, I'm not interested in doing it for free.

 

[Second Alter Ego]

Bud i think you're thriving off the negative attention.

Yeah you're right
Gomennasai

Please get some help

I'm seeing a doctor tomorrow