Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

Those are .357/.38; with one/two expended cases stuck back in the box, and one missing live round. Standard crimped blanks wouldn't lose OAL after being fired.

A normal power/pressure, jacketed round-nose .38, fired from a Colt revolver from up to 20-30ft away & striking a slender woman in the neck, could certainly pass clean through & break the clavicle of the man behind her; while the same in .357 could easily make it through her skull (though not without the round deflecting and/or being mangled).

Someone can try cleaning up the label on the rifle, but it looks like a name.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Well good luck with arguing that as at the DA cause it ain't gonna fly in a court. The DA isn't even going to go down that road. This is so far from criminal negligence on the actors behalf that it won't even make the rounds as a possibility.

How about we talk about the 2 fuckheads - Hall and Hannah that were actually paid to say the guns as safe and yelled "cold gun". Where criminal negligence is not only apparent, but blatant.

Do you think perhaps they are worthy of a mention?

Or do you just wanna bash Baldwin cause you hate him? He isn't going to be charged.

Once again you’re strawmanning that people here are saying it’s only Baldwin’s fault. Either you’re genuinely fucking stupid or wilfully mis-framing the argument.

Just to get it clear:
Gutierrez-Reed fucked up by not maintaining inventory control of the weapon (who has it, when, and why). She also fucked up by allowing live ammo on set and not clearing the weapon before placing it on the armory table.

Hall fucked up by not cross-checking the weapon before declaring it ‘cold’ after he picked it up off the armory table.

Baldwin primarily fucked up by not cross-checking the weapon himself (negligence) drawing the weapon, cocking it, aiming at two people, then pulling the trigger (gross negligence, considering his years of exposure to on-set firearm safety protocol, which since Brandon Lee’s death has stipulated that firearms on-set are never to be aimed directly at another person, period).

He also fucked up by refusing to address safety concerns on the set that contributed to a Union walkout, then bringing in scab labor that was insufficiently trained, qualified, and experienced.

Stop riding his dick and stop arguing against points nobody is making.

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Either you’re genuinely fucking stupid or wilfully mis-framing the argument.

Menotaur is genuinely fucking stupid. That doesn't mean he's arguing in good faith, but he's legitimately a moron. If you've had the misfortune of reading his tardtext before it's pretty apparent.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

I want to believe that Menotaur and a few others are counter trolling at this point. I wouldn't blame them, there isn't much else to discuss in this thread.

 

[Cuckoman]

I'm beginning to think my far fetched supposition that some idiot used the prop gun to go target shooting during the down time then didn't bother to remove the hot round left over when they placed it back is close to the truth. Then neither the Armorer or the AD bothered to check the gun before they OK'd it and gave it to Baldwin.

No, this was not a case of "roughe low level VW egineer faked the diesel test and no one else knew" situation.

If, as it seems, it was used recreationally to plink targets behind the set then every single person on the set knew.
Guns are loud. .45 revolvers are exceptionally fucking loud.
It is not plausible that some rando staff went behind the caravans and started shooting practice without everyone else on set going
"who the fuck is shooting all the time, tell them to fucking stop, it is busting my ears"
There is ZERO chance that Baldfucker, AD or Armourer were unaware that the gun was used recreationally with live ammo.
There is ZERO chance that anyone on set did not know that the gun was used recreationally with live ammo.

So, when rando starts shooting a really fucking loud revolver over and over. Where was the armourer? Shouldn't she be thinking, I am the armourer
who is shooting guns without me knowing here on set?

Why were the other people on set not asking "we are not shooting a scene right now, why is there a shitload of super loud gunshot sounds coming from behind that trailer? Should I be worried about a ricochet?

No, the only explanation is that everyone on set was aware what was going on and was fine with it. And what was going on was that people were using the guns from the production recreationally, because guns are fun and guns are toys.
Everyone was involved and everyone knew, because it is a harmess toy, until someone is dead.


(Also, it is not a prop gun. Stop using that phrase. A prop gun is a plastic replica that can not be loaded with live ammo. This was a REAL gun (used as a prop))

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

I'll be honest. I wouldn't have wished this on Alec Baldwin no matter what his politics. Taking a human life changes you in a way you can never go back from, whether on accident or purposefully.

That being said: The Armorer is obviously a massive ethot and selfie-obsessed fucking dildo catcher. Every picture she shows off just paints a picture of a dipshit narc who can't help but do everything wrong unless she's got a dick in her mouth. The person who handed the gun without checking it is in the wrong, and Baldwin is in the wrong for not checking it himself. Basic safety procedures could have saved a life.

Edit: Weirdly enough, I've seen people mishandle replicas from the Old West, including a Winchester lever-action 30-30, in ways they'd NEVER mishandle a 'modern' firearm. For some reason, there's a particular breed of idiots who think that Old West or even smoothbore muskets are somehow not dangerous. They're related to the ones that think that M16's and M4's are toys too. It's a weird disconnect in some people's brains.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Menotaur is genuinely fucking stupid. That doesn't mean he's arguing in good faith, but he's legitimately a moron. If you've had the misfortune of reading his tardtext before it's pretty apparent.

Yeah, I must admit stuff of his I’ve read before has showed clear evidence of a disordered mind, but this is the first time I’ve seen him go full ret4rd.

 

[X Prime]

Yeah, I must admit stuff of his I’ve read before has showed clear evidence of a disordered mind, but this is the first time I’ve seen him go full ret4rd.

What, you missed him being dumb enough to admit to having a heart attack on KF, without mentioning if he was old?

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Do you think perhaps they are worthy of a mention?

Why don't you read the thread and see the dozens upon dozens of mentions of those two fucking retards? Not checking the gun your holding is clear before you point it at somebody and pull the trigger, when it would take literally 2 seconds, is absolutely criminal negligence. You probably don't know what the word "negligence" means, like how you didn't know what the word "misfire" meant before using it.

Menotaur is genuinely fucking stupid. That doesn't mean he's arguing in good faith, but he's legitimately a moron. If you've had the misfortune of reading his tardtext before it's pretty apparent.

That's why he thinks normal people are incapable of clearing a firearm. The steps to doing so are

1. Do not be severely mentally retarded.
2. Open the action
3. Look

He can't do step 1.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Well good luck with arguing that as at the DA cause it ain't gonna fly in a court. The DA isn't even going to go down that road. This is so far from criminal negligence on the actors behalf that it won't even make the rounds as a possibility.

How about we talk about the 2 fuckheads - Hall and Hannah that were actually paid to say the guns as safe and yelled "cold gun". Where criminal negligence is not only apparent, but blatant.

Do you think perhaps they are worthy of a mention?

Or do you just wanna bash Baldwin cause you hate him? He isn't going to be charged.

Really? Because everything coming out of the DA's office seems to imply that Criminal Charges are likely on the table for all involved. And Baldwin certainly seems to be a perfect match under the New Mexico statute for Involuntary Manslaughter, aka Criminally Negligent Homicide.

 

[Leslie Nielsen]

Why don't you read the thread and see the dozens upon dozens of mentions of those two fucking retards? Not checking the gun your holding is clear before you point it at somebody and pull the trigger, when it would take literally 2 seconds, is absolutely criminal negligence. You probably don't know what the word "negligence" means, like how you didn't know what the word "misfire" meant before using it.

He doesn't know how to read, unfortunately. You should've seen his schizophrenic covid-19 posts.

 

[X Prime]

Now now. It's entirely possible his heart attack from being fat cut oxygen to the part of the brain he needs to read.

 

[SITHRAK!]

It is not plausible that some rando staff went behind the caravans and started shooting practice without everyone else on set going
"who the fuck is shooting all the time, tell them to fucking stop, it is busting my ears"

It also defies belief that a cast or crew member would be provided with a firearm on-set for the purposes of firing live ammo recreationally.
Any competent armorer would respond to that kind of a request with a pretty fuckin' short answer and it wouldn't necessarily be pretty.

What, you missed him being dumb enough to admit to having a heart attack on KF, without mentioning if he was old?

Am newfag scum, working out how to do a kickflip into traffic even now.

 

[Cuckoman]

The only thing that could make this situation even more fucked up is if they find a bunch of empty beer cans over at that site where all the empty casings are from the "fun to go plinking with the guns from the set".
With fucking Baldfucks fingerprints on them.

 

[spiky]

Bro if you’re going to steal from 4chan you should really post screencaps instead of pretending you wrote something yourself.

Well I thought the greater than symbol (>) made it obvious because who types like that outside of a chan, but I apologize for stealing internet points.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'll be honest. I wouldn't have wished this on Alec Baldwin no matter what his politics. Taking a human life changes you in a way you can never go back from, whether on accident or purposefully.

That being said: The Armorer is obviously a massive ethot and selfie-obsessed fucking dildo catcher. Every picture she shows off just paints a picture of a dipshit narc who can't help but do everything wrong unless she's got a dick in her mouth. The person who handed the gun without checking it is in the wrong, and Baldwin is in the wrong for not checking it himself. Basic safety procedures could have saved a life.

Edit: Weirdly enough, I've seen people mishandle replicas from the Old West, including a Winchester lever-action 30-30, in ways they'd NEVER mishandle a 'modern' firearm. For some reason, there's a particular breed of idiots who think that Old West or even smoothbore muskets are somehow not dangerous. They're related to the ones that think that M16's and M4's are toys too. It's a weird disconnect in some people's brains.

A buddy of mine complains of this all the time. He works at a Historic Fort and is the Black Powder Officer and Specialist. The things that the dipshits do with and around the muzzleloaders horrify' s him. And that's just the employees. Apparently the re-enactors are somewhat safer... usually. So long as nobody brought a cannon.

 

[SITHRAK!]

Well I thought the greater than symbol (>) made it obvious because who types like that outside of a chan, but I apologize for stealing internet points.

Ah, I phrased my reply like shit, should have said "so people don't think you're stealing from 4Chan", sorry if any offense caused.

Apparently the re-enactors are somewhat safer... usually. So long as nobody brought a cannon.

Funnily enough, in the world of miniature wargames, the Perry Brothers are legends. Michael Perry, who is right-handed, had most of his right hand blown off when loading a bombard during a re-enactment, because someone forgot to swab it with water after the previous shot (as is the custom). He was apparently tamping the powder when either friction, or an ember left in the wick hole, detonated the powder, and the ramrod set off for parts unknown with a large part of Mssr. Perry's self-pleasuring apparatus still attached. He sculpts left-handed now, by the way.
Any time you deal with powder you need to observe every precaution. It doesn't discriminate.

 

[Absurdist Laughter]

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What even is this posture? Looks like an easy way to fall over.

 

[spiky]

Ah, I phrased my reply like shit, should have said "so people don't think you're stealing from 4Chan", sorry if any offense caused.

No worries friend.

 

[Particle Bored]

A buddy of mine complains of this all the time. He works at a Historic Fort and is the Black Powder Officer and Specialist. The things that the dipshits do with and around the muzzleloaders horrify' s him. And that's just the employees. Apparently the re-enactors are somewhat safer... usually. So long as nobody brought a cannon.

I could kind of understand (though not necessarily excuse). It's easy enough to drop a cartridge into a gun and maybe forget about it, who the hell is going to fuck around with a powder horn unless they intend to immediately use it? Still, Rule #1 and all that. (granted, my knowledge of guns that predate the self-contained cartridge is pretty limited. Never even bothered looking up WTF "cap and ball" exactly is ((separate powder pack and projectile maybe?)) Did that era use individual powder packets or something?)