Alec Baldwin's 'prop firearm' kills one, injures another

Sheriff's office: Alec Baldwin discharged prop gun that killed crew member, wounded director

Baldwin is one of the film's star actors and producers. He went to the sheriff's office willingly and provided a statement to investigators, sheriff's office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

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Actor Alec Baldwin discharged a "prop firearm" that killed a cinematographer and injured a the director of the movie Rust, being filmed on a set south of Santa Fe, a county sheriff's office spokesman said late Thursday.

Halyna Hutchins, 42 and the director of photography for the movie, died at University of New Mexico Hospital in Albuquerque. The film's director, Joel Souza, was hospitalized in Santa Fe, Santa Fe County Sheriff's Office spokesman Juan Ríos said.

A source closed to the investigation said Baldwin, 63, was questioned by investigators late Thursday and was seen by a New Mexican reporter and photographer in tears.

Investigators are still trying to determine if the incident was an accident, Ríos said. No charges have been filed, and the investigation remains open, Ríos wrote in a news release.

The prop was fired at Bonanza Creek Ranch, where filming was underway, the sheriff's office said in an early evening news release. Baldwin stars in the production.

Hutchins died from her injuries after she was flown to University of New Mexico Hospital, according to the sheriff's office. Souza was taken to Christus St. Vincent Regional Medical Center, where he is receiving emergency care, the sheriff's office said. Attempts to get comment from Baldwin were unsuccessful.

“We received the devastating news this evening, that one of our members, Halyna Hutchins, the Director of Photography on a production called ‘Rust’ in New Mexico died from injuries sustained on the set,” John Lindley, the president of the International Cinematographers Guild Local 600, and Rebecca Rhine, the executive director, said in a statement, as reported by Variety. “The details are unclear at this moment, but we are working to learn more, and we support a full investigation into this tragic event. This is a terrible loss, and we mourn the passing of a member of our Guild’s family.”

Deputies were investigating how the accident occurred and "what type of projectile was discharged," the sheriff's office said in an earlier news release.

Rust Movie Productions did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Filming for Rust was set to continue into early November, according to a news release from the New Mexico Film Office. It's described as the story of a 13-year-old boy left to fend for himself and his younger brother following the death of their parents in 1880s Kansas, with New Mexico doubling for Kansas.

Guns firing blanks have been blamed for deaths in past movie productions. Online Hollywood news site Deadline reported, "Actor Jon-Erik Hexum was killed Oct. 18, 1984, on the set of the TV series Cover Up when he accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun loaded with blanks. And in 1993, Brandon Lee, the son of martial arts legend Bruce Lee, died after he was shot in the head by a gun firing blanks on the set of The Crow. Both incidents were determined to have been accidents."

This is a developing story and will be updated.

 

[MadStan]

What are you talking about? Every person that operates a firearm is responsible for it. Those guys were responsible with firearms enough to not injure anyone.
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None of those guys shot anyone accidentally. Do you have any stories where they did?
What is this obsession with taking away responsibility from the man holding the gun, and putting it exclusively on the person who put the bullets in it?

It isn't about taking away responsibility. Some are stating as a fact the only reason there wasn't a death on thousands of other films was probably due to the responsibility the actors that took in checking those guns, but that's a tall stretch indeed. It was really because their Armorers weren't stupid enough to get it wrong. Guns are pointed at people all the time in films, so you have to expect guns to be pointed at people. There are literally hundreds of scenes that can be found showing guns being drawn that hip past extras and others, and scenes where an actor is literally holding a gun to the head of the villain, so pointing guns at people on film sets does happen all the time.

Some claiming those other actors never had an incident and it was all because of their steps which they never witnessed, is an assumption. In fact I would bet good money sometimes the actors depressed the trigger when they should not have and never checked the guns 100% of the time and they got lax about it because they were paying some guy big money to do nothing for 12 hours a day except to do just one thing: Make sure there were dummy's where they were needed, blanks where they were needed and live rounds where they were needed. The idea of evening having live rounds anywhere near a set is so insane, and the Armorer of Rust knew, condoned and facilitated live rounds being near the set was pure insanity.

Within this thread alone, there are people claiming to be experts who stated that dummy's and blanks are interchangeable, and yet despite these experts stating this wrong several times within this thread, they want actors who seldom ever handle guns, to be better informed than these purported experts who on this very thread are mistaken. Yikes!

Someone show me an older guy or woman in their 60's or 70's or in Clints case, 80's that can even read a note in front of their face clearly without glasses, but they want them to open each gun and check the firing pins are there or not in sometimes dim sets as the singular way to determine if it is a live round is dangerous. Because they can still get it wrong. If my armorer needed glasses, and was 70 years old, that would make me feel mighty uncomfortable.

Why, one would think the solution would be to have someone on the set who ensured this every time. It isn't a high stress job, it is a tenacious role, that is all that requires repetitive steps, boring but important.

If there had been live rounds accidentally loaded into any of the hundreds of guns used in those other films, there would have been deaths for certain, but there never was - because the Armorer on those sets knew what they were doing. I don't give Alec a 100% pass, everyone in the chain had some responsibility, but the argument that Alec had as much responsibility as the check before him, and the armorer before that is wild and doesn't sit right.

It will always be true that if Alec had checked the gun 100% the incident would not have happened. This will always be true. And for that he bears responsibility, so if his critics are going to label him a murderer I am unsure why they refuse to label Halls - the guy who checked it before handing it to Alec a murderer and why they do not label the Armorer as a Murderer. None of them are murderers, they are fools. But as Armorer she is more than a fool, she is criminally a fool and was there because people are fools and get it wrong, and she failed and bears the vast majority of the liability. And I think the sentencing of Hannah and Halls shows this sloping level of responsibility.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It isn't about taking away responsibility.

if it isn't about taking away responsibility, he deserves to be in prison for negligent manslaughter, simple as m8. there's literally no argument against the idea that producer alec baldwin AND actor alec baldwin made multiple errors of judgment that led to a woman being killed. one was nepo hiring a faggot's daughter who didn't know what she was doing. another was pointing a gun at a cinematographer and pulling the trigger. he is responsible for those actions, as you yourself said. we aren't taking away anyone's responsibility. alec baldwin is a manslaughterer. i'm proud of you for understanding the facts, finally.

Within this thread alone, there are people claiming to be experts who stated that dummy's and blanks are interchangeable, and yet despite these experts stating this wrong several times within this thread, they want actors who seldom ever handle guns, to be better informed than these purported experts who on this very thread are mistaken. Yikes!

doesn't matter what kind of rounds the gun is loaded with if you don't point it at a cinematographer and pull the trigger.

 

[Historical Strelkov]

if his critics are going to label him a murderer I am unsure why they refuse to label Halls - the guy who checked it before handing it to Alec a murderer and why they do not label the Armorer as a Murderer.

I agree with your overall point about armorer responsibility, but i have to objective. I agree halls is a retard too. It took the whole team on this one. But its still negligent usage of a firearm within industry standards. Good points made, though. This event made it harder for us to use blanks on sets. Its why i want people punished on top of the result being a dead woman. Armorer deserved way more time in jail.

 

[MadStan]

if it isn't about taking away responsibility, he deserves to be in prison for negligent manslaughter, simple as m8. there's literally no argument against the idea that producer alec baldwin AND actor alec baldwin made multiple errors of judgment that led to a woman being killed. one was nepo hiring a faggot's daughter who didn't know what she was doing. another was pointing a gun at a cinematographer and pulling the trigger. he is responsible for those actions, as you yourself said. we aren't taking away anyone's responsibility. alec baldwin is a manslaughterer. i'm proud of you for understanding the facts, finally.


doesn't matter what kind of rounds the gun is loaded with if you don't point it at a cinematographer and pull the trigger.

It is probably best to understand he cross drew the gun and pointed it at the camera which had people behind it. This type of scenario happens often in film shooting. And often people in films have guns pointed at them. You will find in almost all action films some scenes where a gun is actually pointed at a person at some point, and it can not be used as the standard for safety.

I have always understood the facts but law isn't black and white, where someone dies there is stepped responsibility going down the chain, not all people in the chain are equally responsible. I believe she got the maximum penalty in the state available for her crime (18 months), Halls got less and Alec of course was acquitted by dismissal, but would have had a lesser penalty than say Halls, who served 6 months suspended sentence.

 

[Adr1anD]

Kind of surprised this wasn't caught (it wasn't, right?).
This tweet used to show up as unavailable until very recently.
It was made unavailable within mere hours after being sent and only came back after the dismissal occurred.

Attachment is a screenshot of catching it before enforced unavailability was put in place.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It is probably best to understand he cross drew the gun and pointed it at the camera which had people behind it. This type of scenario happens often in film shooting. And often people in films have guns pointed at them. You will find in almost all action films some scenes where a gun is actually pointed at a person at some point, and it can not be used as the standard for safety.

I have always understood the facts but law isn't black and white, where someone dies there is stepped responsibility going down the chain, not all people in the chain are equally responsible. I believe she got the maximum penalty in the state available for her crime (18 months), Halls got less and Alec of course was acquitted by dismissal, but would have had a lesser penalty than say Halls, who served 6 months suspended sentence.

alec is the producer and an actor on set. he should have hired a better armorer and he never ever should have had a gun pointed intentionally in a direction that people were who were not protected by anything. even if he wanted it just pointed at the camera, two humans were behind it.

i agree it was dismissed because of a retardo prosecutor, and I agree the armorer should be in prison for her extreme neglect. I think Alec Baldwin the gun control advocate should have absolutely known better than to point a gun at anyone he didn't intend to kill. another major point i have yet to see anyone here mention but that both people (Alec and the armorer) should have been aware of.

why did neither of these retards check the safety? why did the armor feel the need to drink cocaine through her eyeballs? why did alec NEED to point that gun at people and fire it?

these are what I mean by "both of them had steps they could have taken to prevent a tragedy, and neither did at any point." and THAT is why Baldwin is, to me and in a moral sense, AT THE VERY LEAST a negligent manslaughterer, but with him being as aware of firearms rules as he is, it's hard not to see it as him choosing to ignore safety rules on purpose, rather than an accident.

 

[MadStan]

It’s like you guys want to throw everything including the kitchen sink. “He was also the producer and hired better!!!” Oh please give it a rest.

“He chose to ignore safety rules” meaning he consciously made an effort to circumvent them - when in truth he more than likely just forgot. But to you guys he has to have made a conscious choice to ignore them.

The scene called for him to crossdraw in that direction - but to all others it’s a direct point at the victim purely because he is Darth Vader and wanted to.

If a gun is ever pointed at another human being then a crime against humanity has occurred and death must be the intent.

No one has ever pointed a gun at another human on a set in the history of mankind until Alec came along

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It’s like you guys want to throw everything including the kitchen sink. “He was also the producer and hired better!!!” Oh please give it a rest.

“He chose to ignore safety rules” meaning he consciously made an effort to circumvent them - when in truth he more than likely just forgot. But to you guys he has to have made a conscious choice to ignore them.

The scene called for him to crossdraw in that direction - but to all others it’s a direct point at the victim purely because he is Darth Vader and wanted to.

If a gun is ever pointed at another human being then a crime against humanity has occurred and death must be the intent.

No one has ever pointed a fun at another human on a set in the history of mankind until Alec came along
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do you know if he checked the revolver before he pointed it at clint's head to see if it was loaded? had he checked the gun, he could have seen if it was loaded. the chamber would have easily shown him rounds, and if he saw rounds, he could have chosen not to point it. i don't see how you're making a good point here.

had a rant in here about semi-autos, but it's irrelevant and retarded, baldwin was holding a revolver, so he has even less excuse. i had assumed he was holding a modern firearm which would've at least been a pain in his ass to check, but no, it was an easy to determine revolver.

 

[MadStan]

do you know if he checked the revolver before he pointed it at clint's head to see if it was loaded? had he checked the gun, he could have seen if it was loaded. the chamber would have easily shown him rounds, and if he saw rounds, he could have chosen not to point it. i don't see how you're making a good point here.

had a rant in here about semi-autos, but it's irrelevant and retarded, baldwin was holding a revolver, so he has even less excuse. i had assumed he was holding a modern firearm which would've at least been a pain in his ass to check, but no, it was an easy to determine revolver.

It has been raised a number of times in this thread that "you should never point a gun at anyone, ever. Even in a set, that’s just common sense!!! Always consider it loaded!!” But the reality is it happens all the time and is not the high bar of safety it is made out to be. Guns are pointed at people all the time, so it should be dismissed "OMG how could Alec have even glanced it towards a living soul why nobody ever points a gun at anyone, ever!".

Checking the gun on the other hand as an Armorer and handing it to Tuco to point at Clint's head knowing it is OK, is a gold standard.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

It has been raised a number of times in this thread that "you should never point a gun at anyone, ever. Even in a set, that’s just common sense!!! Always consider it loaded!!” But the reality is it happens all the time and is not the high bar of safety it is made out to be. Guns are pointed at people all the time, so it should be dismissed "OMG how could Alec have even glanced it towards a living soul why nobody ever points a gun at anyone, ever!".

Checking the gun on the other hand as an Armorer and handing it to Tuco to point at Clint's head knowing it is OK, is a gold standard.

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yes, you dumb nigger. the one literal exception to that is if you're holding it in your hands and personally check that there are no rounds in it. at that point you can be positive that you aren't using a weapon that's loaded. i wonder, when they were having bruce willis stand there, if just before the cameras started rolling, they might have double checked, since this is a scene involving an actor intentionally doing something and not a joke someone is cracking out of nowhere. i wonder if there are safety steps people should be following to ensure a tragedy exactly like this one didn't occur, that weren't being followed.

you are GENUINELY retarded, dude. i encourage you to take firearms safety lessons and then ask your instructor if it's okay to point your gun at him as a joke. may alec baldwin point a gun he's sure has no live rounds in it at you and pull the trigger, inshallah.

 

[MadStan]

yes, you dumb nigger. the one literal exception to that is if you're holding it in your hands and personally check that there are no rounds in it. at that point you can be positive that you aren't using a weapon that's loaded. i wonder, when they were having bruce willis stand there, if just before the cameras started rolling, they might have double checked, since this is a scene involving an actor intentionally doing something and not a joke someone is cracking out of nowhere. i wonder if there are safety steps people should be following to ensure a tragedy exactly like this one didn't occur, that weren't being followed.

you are GENUINELY retarded, dude. i encourage you to take firearms safety lessons and then ask your instructor if it's okay to point your gun at him as a joke. may alec baldwin point a gun he's sure has no live rounds in it at you and pull the trigger, inshallah.

You know what I would do as an Actor if I did find a round in my gun? I wouldn't be a smug little shit thinking "I'm glad I found it", I would go over and punch the Armorer in the face and tell TMZ about how someone tried to murder people on the set. I might even snap the guys neck.

You may be wondering despite all the responsible actors everywhere you speak of, that you know, find rounds mixed up all the time cause they're so gun savvy why we don't here about all the fired armorers who messed up. Maybe it is because the Armorers don't fuck up and this Hannah is an ultra rotten apple in the barrel. This isn't an industry you fuck up in and survive - it's a tightrope act - fall and you are done.

I've handled firearms, and a firearm owner and been around situations with guns drawn with live munitions (civilian scenarios). But I will tell you something, I've never handed over a gun with munitions to another person who didn't know there were live munitions in the weapon, and I've taken weapons from others whom I trust and when they say there are no munitions or munitions, I have taken their word for it and not checked.

Call me a fool if you will, but if you're going to actually be around people you trust with munitions and weapons then your life is in their hands because they can misfire, they can fuckl up, they can point the gun at a concrete floor and the bullet can still come up and get you. If you doubt them, then you shouldn't be stupid enough to be around those people in the first place.

That list should be like 2-3 people maximum, in your whole life you trust like that. I wouldn't trust any actor to ever point a gun at me, ever, but I would if I trusted the Armorer.

Everyone on that set from what I hear knew this Armorer to be a stupid, silly, drunk and a high fucking cunt, and they ALL made a mistake trusting their life to that Armorer. If you are on a set with guns and that's the Armorer, you are all in danger whether you are hiding the gun or not, whether Alec or Keanu Reeve is holding the gun.

That woman that got shot isn't just a victim of stupidity, she's a victim herself for stupidity for seeing this childish Armorer in action, and then willing to see extras, actors and a host of other people with those guns on her set. She knew what a fool she was. And yet she trusted her life to that Armorer.

So she can take some of the blame too. Because if I had seen that stupid bitch there, the last fucking thing I would have done would be to have agreed to be on any set she was responsible for. And if you make the decision to be on a set with that stupid bitch, then the dead woman can take the blame, too.

I had an electrician boast he could do new connects with the wires live cause he was so confident. Fucking great. That's the last time that guy was allowed in my building. If I let him in again, me the fool if I died.

Would you have agreed to be on the Rust set with that Armorer there? I doubt it. You seem like you've got some common sense and would have run a hundred miles away from a set with that stupid girl on it. But my bet is you'd have agreed to be with Alec on The Hunt for Red October and not given it a second thought after you saw who the armorer was and knew you were in safe hands.

If that Hannah bitch was on the set of John Wick, people would have died. And then it would Keanu you'd be moaning about.

 

[MetokurGroomedMe]

You know what I would do as an Actor if I did find a round in my gun? I wouldn't be a smug little shit thinking "I'm glad I found it", I would go over and punch the Armorer in the face and tell TMZ about how someone tried to murder people on the set. I might even snap the guys neck.

agreed. unfortunately, that's not what he did! he pointed it at two innocent people, and one of them is dead now. also, he was the producer. i don't know how much more culpable he could be. he hired her for the job in the first place. he knew she was untested, he knew her dad, and he still chose not to hire him, but to instead hire the nepotard.

I've handled firearms, and a firearm owner and been around situations with guns drawn with live munitions (civilian scenarios). But I will tell you something, I've never handed over a gun with munitions to another person who didn't know there were live munitions in the weapon, and I've taken weapons from others whom I trust and when they say there are no munitions or munitions, I have taken their word for it and not checked.

jesus fucking christ, this is the most horrifying thing i've heard from you the entire time. you own guns? your entire family is extremely at risk if you seriously own firearms. you don't even understand the bare minimum of firearms safety. also, you've done nothing but retardedly powerlevel this entire thread, are you sure you want to just reveal every detail about your life to own some retard on kiwifarms, dude?

Call me a fool if you will, but if you're going to actually be around people you trust with munitions and weapons then your life is in their hands because they can misfire, they can fuckl up, they can point the gun at a concrete floor and the bullet can still come up and get you. If you doubt them, then you shouldn't be stupid enough to be around those people in the first place.

jesus christ, dude. the soviets invented trust but verify, even they understood that even if you trust someone, your life or someone else's life is not worth not just doing a quick double check. and that's what you've been sitting here, thumb up your ass, defending the entire time. alec baldwin acted FULL retard by not checking a gun he had in his hand, which would have taken him less than three seconds, and it would have given the cinematographer he killed an uncountable amount of time on her own life.

That list should be like 2-3 people maximum, in your whole life you trust like that. I wouldn't trust any actor to ever point a gun at me, ever, but I would if I trusted the Armorer.

i wouldn't trust either of these people because i'm not retarded. if we're doing a scene where you're pointing a gun at me in any way, i will make you personally show me the gun, the rounds in it, and have you mime it first so that i know you yourself believe it to be safe. i don't know why you keep trying to pull these retarded fucking gotchas.

Everyone on that set from what I hear knew this Armorer to be a stupid, silly, drunk and a high fucking cunt, and they ALL made a mistake trusting their life to that Armorer.

so what you're telling me is that the producer of this production knew that he had hired an unsafe armorer, and when that unsafe armorer that he knew was unsafe handed him a gun, instead of checking it himself he chose to believe her retarded ass that it was safe?

That woman that got shot isn't just a victim of stupidity, she's a victim herself for stupidity for seeing this childish Armorer in action, and then willing to see extras, actors and a host of other people with those guns on her set. She knew what a fool she was. And yet she trusted her life to that Armorer.

you are an actual fucking retard. your defense of baldwin is that he should be able to trust the armorer that the rounds are safe, but you say that the DEAD WOMAN WHO GOT SHOT is a victim of 'her own stupidity' because she trusted the armorer? where the fuck is that culpability for alec, you disingenuous heap of shit?

So she can take some of the blame too. Because if I had seen that stupid bitch there, the last fucking thing I would have done would be to have agreed to be on any set she was responsible for. And if you make the decision to be on a set with that stupid bitch, then the dead woman can take the blame, too.

nigger please point out one fucking time where i have said that dumb cunt doesn't deserve a ton of blame for being a drunk high retard who brought live bullets to a movie set? i've been glad in every single post that she's gonna get sent up river. you are so dishonest.

I had an electrician boast he could do new connects with the wires live cause he was so confident. Fucking great. That's the last time that guy was allowed in my building. If I let him in again, me the fool if I died.

if i have the choice on who to hire, as producer alec baldwin did, between an electrician who has spent 50 years in the business and has never once wired a house wrong, or his daughter who is literally entirely unproven, i would pick the electrician with 50 years' experience every time, i totally agree. alec baldwin made a massive and life-destroying mistake by hiring her, and she is seeing the responsibility of her actions in court as we speak, unlike alec baldwin, who is a free man with no repercussions because of some faggot retard prosecutor.

Would you have agreed to be on the Rust set with that Armorer there?

i would have asked the producer of the movie, alec baldwin, if he couldn't have maybe hired a different armorer, since we were going to be working with some seriously dangerous stuff. that would be a great idea, you're right!

But my bet is you'd have agreed to be with Alec on The Hunt for Red October and not given it a second thought after you saw who the armorer was and knew you were in safe hands.

why are you intentionally ignoring the fact that alec baldwin is the one who was in control of the bitch being hired in the first place?

If that Hannah bitch was on the set of John Wick, people would have died. And then it would Keanu you'd be moaning about.

that would depend on if keanu reeves was unwilling to be concerned with gun safety and check his gun when they're doing scenes like that, and if he were pushing off his responsibility in it, assuming it was the same scenario as baldwin, where there was no reason for a gun to be pointed and trigger pulled, but it happened anyway. i do agree that it would have made the john wick movies potentially deadly. that's why the producers of the movie, which were in the same position as alec baldwin was for rust, did not hire someone like her. they hired an experienced armorer to handle the weapons.

you are dumb as fuck. i'm not even sure what you're trying to do here considering you basically counter-argumented yourself half of the time.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

That doesn't make sense.

The front and back of rounds loaded into the cylinder of revolver are visible. Dummy rounds in revolvers have to have a bullet and a fake primer. The two ways I'm aware of marking dummy rounds is drilling a hole in the side of the case or loading a BB into the case so they rattle.

If this fat fuck walks with no criminal charges I'm going to consider rule of law dead most places in this country instead of just some.

At least we cleared that up.

 

[AnOminous]

No one has ever pointed a gun at another human on a set in the history of mankind until Alec came along

Alec isn't a murderer, he's just a moron. He should pay for his stupidity, but in money, not in time.

 

[Iron Jaguar]

 

[John.Doe]

Call me a fool if you will,

Gladly. Do you think that if a scene called for Alec Baldwin to point a gun at his own head, or one of his children, and pull the trigger he would simply accept 'Cold Gun' from an AD as good enough and blithely click six times? Or do you think he might take a look at the cylinder to see if its loaded? Maybe he'd even demand the armorer demonstrate definitively that its dummy rounds only, showing him the hole or rattling the cartridge audibly?

He didn't do that before he pointed what he knew was a functional firearm at Helena Hutchins, and pulled the trigger. He rolled the dice with her life, in reckless disregard of the potential risks, and she died.

Do you think he'd take that dice roll with his own life? With the lives of his children? I don't think so. He's the most responsible person for her death.

 

[Dr J]

Alec isn't a murderer, he's just a moron. He should pay for his stupidity, but in money, not in time.

If a drunk driver hit and killed your family, would you be saying the same thing? After all, they (the drunk drivers) are morons too.

 

[MadStan]

Gladly. Do you think that if a scene called for Alec Baldwin to point a gun at his own head, or one of his children, and pull the trigger he would simply accept 'Cold Gun' from an AD as good enough and blithely click six times? Or do you think he might take a look at the cylinder to see if its loaded? Maybe he'd even demand the armorer demonstrate definitively that its dummy rounds only, showing him the hole or rattling the cartridge audibly?

He didn't do that before he pointed what he knew was a functional firearm at Helena Hutchins, and pulled the trigger. He rolled the dice with her life, in reckless disregard of the potential risks, and she died.

Do you think he'd take that dice roll with his own life? With the lives of his children? I don't think so. He's the most responsible person for her death.

The armorer is more responsible.

 

[John.Doe]

The armorer is more responsible.

Yes, you can blame the armorer, she share responsibility. However, even if every other person on set conspired in secret to mislead and gaslight him before putting a loaded gun in Baldwin's hand.....it would all be irrelevant.

It's all meaningless because Baldwin had the ultimate, final power to prevent Hutchins death. He could have checked the gun, or even asked why they weren't using a rubber stunt gun for a rehearsal, or simply followed the most basic safety rules and NOT pointed a firearm at another human being before pulling the trigger. Rules he should know from his decades of experience in Hollywood and as a board member of several 'gun safety' organizations - rules he had no reason to avoid as the biggest star and producer of the movie. Nothing and nobody could have forced Baldwin to NOT check the firearm, NOT refusing to use a firing pistol for a rehearsal, NOT refusing to point a gun at another person, or NOT refusing to pull/play with the trigger.

The one person who had the ability to stop the chain of negligence or circumstance leading to the death of Hutchins was Baldwin.

If you don't believe me, the case law in New Mexico is perfectly on point, and clearly states that regardless of who loaded the gun or when, criminal liability is fixed in the person with the gun in their hand at the time of shooting. This was decided back in the 50's in a case where a drunk guy at a party shot someone 'by accident'.

State v. Gilliam, 288 P.2d 675 (New Mexico Sup. Ct. 1955)
The decision was an appeal of a criminal conviction at a jury trial, in which the defendant had been found guilty of involuntary manslaughter by the act of unsafely handling a gun with the result that it discharged and killed the victim.

The NM Supreme Court ruled in that decision, in relevant part that:

It could have made no difference to the trial of a charge of involuntary manslaughter as to who loaded the gun … . All that it is necessary to establish for involuntary manslaughter by the use of a loaded firearm is that a defendant had in his hands a gun which at some time had been loaded and that he handled it … without due caution and circumspection and that death resulted.

If you're pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger after neglecting to check if its loaded, that is an obvious lack of caution and circumspection.

 

[MadStan]

“It would all be irrelevant” meaning even if the armorer set out to see a murder happen; you hold her not accountable. Ridiculous. And Alec guilty of Murder. Ridiculous.

Your case points are in context of different scenarios that are not identical or near identical to the event that unfolded.

He bears some responsibility. Some. I give him 10% and I’m being generous.

And please, for the love of god stop talking about how not pointing the gun is a big safety checklist item. It isn’t.

I will never, ever come over to your line of thinking that Alec will ever bear the majority of the responsibility in this; whether right or wrong I never shall.