Amazon Studios to develop series based on Fallout

[National Defense Advocate]

https://www.ign.com/articles/the-big-fallout-interview-todd-howard-and-jonathan-nolan-answer-our-burning-questions-about-season-1

I appreciate massive backpedaling. Dance for me, monkey.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

@Pentex

The cowboy is worse the more the story goes on and you think about he knows that the US is going to false flag and instead of trying to ensure his daughter is somewhere safe in case that happens x

The plot also forgets that The Boneyard, Vault City, New Reno, Klamath, and Redding exist and are self-sufficient without Shady Sands. The frog girls Vault is in LA, there’s a huge plot point in the games that the location of the Vaults beyond unnumbered ones were known.

 

[filthypenguin]

Ohhhh so you ARE here just to shill.

Two posts above mine there's someone complaining about the date of the bombing being 2277, and the only way you can come up with that is if you misread the chalkboard.

 

[Pentex]

The cowboy is worse the more the story goes on and you think about he knows that the US is going to false flag and instead of trying to ensure his daughter is somewhere safe in case that happens

Those are questions the show doesn't bother answering or hasn't answered yet. He went from successful actor learning his wife is a corpo-shill prepared to murder the world for profits and science, to a broke birthday party cowboy paying alimony to said wife. I'm guessing that some things went down between those two events, likely total financial and legal ruin via family court, that's just me filling in the show's blanks.

EDIT: Cooper clearly believes his wife and/or daughter are still alive somewhere as of the last episode.

The plot also forgets that The Boneyard, Vault City, New Reno, Klamath, and Redding exist and are self-sufficient without Shady Sands. The frog girls Vault is in LA, there’s a huge plot point in the games that the location of the Vaults beyond unnumbered ones were known.

I doubt they will deal with any other part of the NCR that would disrupt the 'humans are shit and civilization is oppression' misery porn that modern writers believe is integral to any post-apocalyptic setting.

 

[Crocodylus Acutus]

An awful show, for people who never played the games and only watch lore videos from fags like Oxhorn, made to a Chinese standard so global releases bring in as much money as possible. This show feels like something you would read about on a terminal in a Fallout game, to show how society was decaying before the bombs dropped.

Anyone who says this shit is good should be treated like a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging retard.

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

An awful show, for people who never played the games and only watch lore videos from fags like Oxhorn, made to a Chinese standard so global releases bring in as much money as possible. This show feels like something you would read about on a terminal in a Fallout game, to show how society was decaying before the bombs dropped.

Anyone who says this shit is good should be treated like a mouth breathing, knuckle dragging retard.

Oxhorn, ironically, hated this show.

 

[Crocodylus Acutus]

Oxhorn, ironically, hated this show.

That's actually very surprising, considering all the retcons it does. I figured he would've loved it.

 

[archive regret]

There seems to be three major groups.

1. The critical. They have problems with world building, characters, lore consistency, the story, and the DEI.
2. The gaslighters. They completely deny all the above problems and say everything is great.
3. The enjoyers. They don't really deny the criticisms, but reject their importance in favor of enjoying the campy fun.

I'm critical, but I find myself sympathetic to the enjoyers. People are analyzing Fallout like it's Breaking Bad, but that seems a bit like trying to engage with Happy Gilmore like it's The Godfather Part II. Unfortunately for me, Fallout kept breaking my suspension of disbelief which kills the enjoyment, especially because of the current day hollywood propaganda.

Fuck the DEI gaslighters though. Astroturf NPCs keep saying "it's diversity done right, you don't even notice." All I hear is "this is shitburgers done right, you can't even taste the shit."

what the Hell is up with all these normies and YouTubers completely soyjacking to it like it’s our generation’s The Sopranos?

I watched cohhcarnage watch episode 1 and the soyjack was wild. In many ways that's his brand, with positive good vibes even as he shovels the slop down his throat, but it was such a strong contrast with how much I disliked it. It's why I've been following this conversation, trying to figure out how others saw something other than garbage.

It all feels extremely unnatural and corporate-controlled.

Welcome to neo-feudalism, you will eat the bugs and you will soypog because the power is too concentrated to allow "no".

 

[The handsome tard]

The worst part is having people you thought were cool enjoying this series. And I dont tend to hang out with normies, Im buddies with this one dude who's very based and think certain big noses are a bad thing and yet he sang his praises for TLoU and now Fallout adaptation. Dude said he despises LGBTQ and this series has that shit unnecessarily inserted in them and yet he said he liked it. He didnt play TLoU and played very little Fallout, maybe only New Vegas and 4 maybe but you would think he could see the laziness, the propaganda and the disingenuous-ness of it all.

Kind of makes me wonder how legit his "based" status actually is. Its really difficult to find someone these days that actually goes all the way without dropping the ball like that.

Edit: Anyone else had that issue?

 

[LecherousGranolaBar]

So what I'm getting from a lot of the criticism of this show is, if you don't like Bethesda Fallout out, you won't enjoy this show? Am I off base in saying that?

Because I rather hated Fallout 4. Fallout 3, well, I think 3 is ok but pales in comparison to NV. Shit, story wise, 3 sucks compared to 1 and 2 even.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

So I jumped to the last episode and I felt like I didn't miss much in between.

If Vault Tec caused the war (instead of China) to obtain market dominance, why did they already have market dominance in the world beforehand?

The NCR withstood Caesar and his legions, but one mega capitalist with a bomb ruins them?

The more I read about this show, the more fucking retarded I discover it is.

I'm not buying Fallout 5 if it touches the show in any way.

And of course, the evil ethnic woman in the first episode turns out to be a benevolent hero in the last episode who saves mankind from the evil white man. Anyone who says this show doesn't have forced DEI is absolutely sucking tranny cock.

 

[SlapNugget]

It sucks because the cast themselves seem to care about the source material based on the interviews I’ve seen (Not the shitty Amazon game show vids). They all just got shafted by commiefornian writers and a butthurt Todd.

 

[#lurker]

So what I'm getting from a lot of the criticism of this show is, if you don't like Bethesda Fallout out, you won't enjoy this show? Am I off base in saying that?

Because I rather hated Fallout 4. Fallout 3, well, I think 3 is ok but pales in comparison to NV. Shit, story wise, 3 sucks compared to 1 and 2 even.

The arguments about lore and franchise is utterly irrelevant anyway when the show fails on its own merits. If you like "fantastic" writing where characters randomly find each other through pure coincidence in a massive wilderness, then this show is for you.

 

[Crocodylus Acutus]

Im buddies with this one dude who's very based and think certain big noses are a bad thing and yet he sang his praises for TLoU

Off topic, but I'll never understand why they made a show for the TLoU. It's basically a movie game anyways, except now the main characters are uglier than the zombies.

 

[filthypenguin]

There seems to be three major groups.

1. The critical. They have problems with world building, characters, lore consistency, the story, and the DEI.
2. The gaslighters. They completely deny all the above problems and say everything is great.
3. The enjoyers. They don't really deny the criticisms, but reject their importance in favor of enjoying the campy fun.

I'm critical, but I find myself sympathetic to the enjoyers. People are analyzing Fallout like it's Breaking Bad, but that seems a bit like trying to engage with Happy Gilmore like it's The Godfather Part II. Unfortunately for me, Fallout kept breaking my suspension of disbelief which kills the enjoyment, especially because of the current day hollywood propaganda.

Fuck the DEI gaslighters though. Astroturf NPCs keep saying "it's diversity done right, you don't even notice." All I hear is "this is shitburgers done right, you can't even taste the shit."


I watched cohhcarnage watch episode 1 and the soyjack was wild. In many ways that's his brand, with positive good vibes even as he shovels the slop down his throat, but it was such a strong contrast with how much I disliked it. It's why I've been following this conversation, trying to figure out how others saw something other than garbage.


Welcome to neo-feudalism, you will eat the bugs and you will soypog because the power is too concentrated to allow "no".

I keep saying this, but I really feel like I'm being gaslit by the "critical" group. There's no lore inconsistency unless you're a complete fucking retard. The DEI for prewar is pretty egregious, but they also made all the black people evil so I feel like it's a wash.

Like, if you think that the punchline to how stupid the vault dwellers are is a middle management eguenics program is stupid, that's fine, but it's a very fallout joke. If you don't like the show because you can't get past Cooper's wife being black, that's fine, but that basically rules out all new media for you.

If you're complaining about evil capitalism plotlines while not realizing the joke is that the evil capitalists are in fact communists, you are the butt of the joke. And if you see 2277 on a chalkboard and become convinced that they retconned New Vegas and kick and scream when the rest of the internet and now even the producers of the show have to point at the huge fucking arrow you're somehow incapable of comprehending, you need to go back to watching superhero movies or something, because to understand this show's lore you'll need to have an IQ above 80.

 

[The handsome tard]

Off topic, but I'll never understand why they made a show for the TLoU. It's basically a movie game anyways, except now the main characters are uglier than the zombies.

Its for people who never played TLoU and/or hate video games.

 

[verissimus]

Edit: Anyone else had that issue?

Sort of, but not with this particular franchise.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

I keep saying this, but I really feel like I'm being gaslit by the "critical" group.

No, you just like bad writing and sucking tranny cock.

 

[NPZCC]

I keep saying this, but I really feel like I'm being gaslit by the "critical" group.

Link some of your favorite scenes from the show.

Action scenes, scenes of memorable dialog between two characters, things like that.

For example, here's a great scene from FX's The Shield, which also stars Walton Goggins.

 

[archive regret]

I keep saying this, but I really feel like I'm being gaslit by the "critical" group. There's no lore inconsistency unless you're a complete fucking retard. The DEI for prewar is pretty egregious, but they also made all the black people evil so I feel like it's a wash.

Like, if you think that the punchline to how stupid the vault dwellers are is a middle management eguenics program is stupid, that's fine, but it's a very fallout joke. If you don't like the show because you can't get past Cooper's wife being black, that's fine, but that basically rules out all new media for you.

I'll leave the lore wars to others. But I think I can explain some of the disconnect between us.

First, where I'm coming from: I end up in the critical group because my suspension of disbelief kept getting broken. Characters acted in ways that did not make sense to me. World building details didn't fit with how I expect physics, humans, technology, and manufacturing to work (though to be fair, the games have this problem too). The story seemed to rely on a very large amount of plot convenience. And, of course, I couldn't help but notice all the DEI. My suspension of disbelief was in shambles and I was unable to be an enjoyer.

Your response seems to mostly be this: there are in-universe (Watsonian) explanations for these things. The characters act stupid? Well we later learn that they were bred to be stupid. The characters are diverse? Well later we learn that was part of the experiment. The he-she-species should have seen the razor blade in the boot? That's not bad production, it turns out there's an explanation for that later too.

The first problem is that these explanations only cover a subset of the problems, plenty of plot convenience still seems to just happen.

The second problem is that these explanations come late, so the disbelief has already happened. Stories can be told this way, however that requires good foreshadowing which implicitly promises payoff later. If done right then the audience feels curiosity instead of disbelief: less "that's not how humans work!" and more "huh, why the are they doing that?" Unfortunately this show did not do that for me, and "it gets explained later" doesn't fix my curent disbelief.

Finally, the third problem is that these Watsonian explanations are cheap post-hoc excuses for the Doylist realities. Why is the cast so DEI? Watsonian: it's part of the vault experiment. Doylist: because Amazon has a DEI checklist. The Watsonian explanation here is too weak to maintain the suspension of disbelief in the face of obvious current day politics.

I could keep doing the Watsonian vs. Doylist for every point, but the post is already too long so I removed that.

Anyway, I think that explains why your Watsonian in-universe explanationis aren't really convincing some of us, namely the problems I mention above: not all have explanations, there is insuffiicent foreshadowing so the disbelief is felt long before any explanation can try to make things believable, and the explanations ultimately come off as weak excuses for serious storytelling problems (like plot convenience and forced DEI).