Amazon's Invincible - thoughts?

[Gender: Xenomorph]

I agree. This comic is pretty bad and doesn't really think about this shit.

As I said earlier in this thread, its just another watchmen off shoot that thinks its deconstructing the genre when its really just another bad addition to it.

It also has glaring plot issues; for a entity that is supposedly super powerful, Omniman struggles to defeat the Justice League equivalent. Pretty sure DC superman is able to obliterate the entire Justice League in under 30 seconds if he really wanted to.

Hard to believe viltrumites are these unstoppable creatures when Omniman struggles to defeat stuff found on Earth. They're not even vulnerable to a specific rare element or hard to obtain technology, they're weak to high frequency sound. The creator doesn't seem to thing stuff out really well.

I wonder how they will do the part where atomic eve comes back to life with bigger boobs

Spoiler: Wtf are these faces?

These are not tween frames; the faces stay like this for up to 5 seconds.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It also has glaring plot issues; for a entity that is supposedly super powerful, Omniman struggles to defeat the Justice League equivalent. Pretty sure DC superman is able to obliterate the entire Justice League in under 30 seconds if he really wanted to.

Hell, Superman in DC didn't even need to do that to force the Earth under his rule; in the Injustice games and comics, he was just that strong that when he decided to create the Regime, most of the JL and the world's governments got the cue and went with it. If Nolan was as strong as Superman, he wouldn't need to destroy the Guardians, he'd just show up at the UN one morning and say that they'll be joining the Viltrum Empire now, with the Guardians and most of the nations of the world just agreeing with him and going through with it, no questions asked.

Hard to believe viltrumites are these unstoppable creatures when Omniman struggles to defeat stuff found on Earth. They're not even vulnerable to a specific rare element or hard to obtain technology, they're weak to high frequency sound. The creator doesn't seem to thing stuff out really well.

Your average dimwit bounty hunter in Star Wars, Mass Effect, and every other space sci-fi would just stock up on sonic blasters, sonic grenades, and other sound-based weapons to kill Viltrumites. I also seem to remember some energy weapons being able to kill them, too. I suppose the author didn't want to make them too strong that no one would be able to kill them.

I wonder how they will do the part where atomic eve comes back to life with bigger boobs

Probably alter or remove it because that would be ''problematic'' for modern audiences.

 

[Some Dumb Faggot]

Hell, Superman in DC didn't even need to do that to force the Earth under his rule; in the Injustice games and comics, he was just that strong that when he decided to create the Regime, most of the JL and the world's governments got the cue and went with it. If Nolan was as strong as Superman, he wouldn't need to destroy the Guardians, he'd just show up at the UN one morning and say that they'll be joining the Viltrum Empire now, with the Guardians and most of the nations of the world just agreeing with him and going through with it, no questions asked.


Your average dimwit bounty hunter in Star Wars, Mass Effect, and every other space sci-fi would just stock up on sonic grenades and other sound-based weapons to kill Viltrumites. I also seem to remember some energy weapons being able to kill them, too. I suppose the author didn't want to make them too strong that no one would be able to kill them.


Probably alter or remove it because that would be ''problematic'' for modern audiences.

Funnily enough, the Writer was bragging that Invincible could beat Superman in a fight and was gloating about how much better written Invincible was as a character. The guy seems like a Vito-tier dickhead complete with Soy beard.

 

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Funnily enough, the Writer was bragging that Invincible could beat Superman in a fight and was gloating about how much better written Invincible was as a character.

Depends on which Superman he's facing. If it's the earlier versions where he's just a chump with extra strength who jumps high because he came from a high-gravity environment, then maybe. If it's the modern version of Superman who's nigh-indestructible and gets a massive power-up from the sun, then no. The man could probably bend the entire Viltrumite race into folding chairs while still having enough strength to pump babies into Lois Lane.

The guy seems like a Vito-tier dickhead complete with Soy beard.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=1MBI9IRc3_I

No wonder the politics surrounding Viltrum's takeover is so fucking surface-level that it might as well been written by a high schooler with the education level of the typical American who flunks history class. Just one look at the guy and I can tell he barely had an idea how European colonialism worked, especially since he based the Viltrumites on a blend of colonial/imperial attitudes and Social Darwinism.

Empires are not so easily won or fought; if anything, with how few Viltrumites there are to cover so much space in the galaxy, they'd fail at trying to conquer Earth; they'd probably be better off signing an alliance with them instead to replicate their numbers with humans mating with Viltrumites and Viltrum giving Earth its tech and protection in return.

If you look into history, the colonial empires of Portugal, Britain, Spain, and France have a track record of signing treaties of alliances with native tribes for common gain. It wasn't just white boys rocking up to the neighborhood with guns and taking it over; they usually needed the brown people to help hold the territory because most of the white soldiers are busy fighting wars back home in Europe against each other. Hell, most of the ''Spanish Army'' that conquered the Americas consisted of Mesoamerican tribes with some Castilian boys organizing them into a proper fighting force. Even in the late stages of European colonialism, that was still the case; during the Estado Novo era, the Portuguese Empire's best soccer player and its most decorated soldier were both blacks.

If Viltrum's Empire was the least bit realistic, especially after that purge of theirs that wiped out most of their population, most of the Empire would consist of half-breed Viltrumites from a thousand different races, with pure Viltrumites being the tiny minority, as there's just not enough of them to rule a large, galactic empire. But given their DNA is pure enough to result in half-Viltrumite bastards coming from most sexual unions with aliens, that would lead to a scenario where you'd have no shortage of Viltrumites, so long as you're talking about Viltrumites with alien DNA. Mark and Omni-Man would go to Viltrum, only to see a thousand different alien species be represented there by their Viltrumite sons and daughters; children whom they had with their Viltrumite rulers, like how a lot of people in Latin America are part-Spanish mestizos and mulattos who are half-Spanish people with African or Mesoamerican DNA.

 

[TheRaptorJesus]

God this is awful, the animation is so bad and the DEI is so blatant its blinding. I was excited when the first episode started because it looked badass, then they switch back to the CW universe.

 

[I (Don't) Have A Gun]

God this is awful, the animation is so bad and the DEI is so blatant its blinding.

Not the best animation in season 1, with some really obvious moments where the budget just wasn't there.
Season 2 seems to be better, but it's mostly just reaching the level of ok.

I guess the story in season 1 was interesting enough, you opened up with the hook of Omni-man being evil and that drives some of the interest throughout the season... so even when Mark was being a bit dull you still had the Omni-man b-plot but there isn't really a good replacement for it in season 2 (no interdimensional crazy man isn't very compelling).

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Pretty sure DC superman is able to obliterate the entire Justice League in under 30 seconds if he really wanted to.

Not really…

Beyond Bat plot armor, the majority of the JL can hold their own if not outright defeat Clark given how ridiculous the powers are.

Flash is the most obvious as his feats make him ridiculously over powered. Dude can open up entire new timelines if he wants.

Wonder Woman is usually not that much farther down from Superman in terms of strength and generally has no weaknesses unlike Clark. She is said to terrify Batman more than him when it comes to his contingencies.

Green Lantern is another character who can pull off a lot of crazy feats given how OP the ring can be.

Past the main JL, tons of other characters stand a decent to great chance:
- Majority of magic users can wipe the floor (Zatana, Raven, Constantine, Dr Fate, even Shazam if not an idiot)
- Plastic Man is near unkillable
- Starfire can actually outpower Kryptonians apparently
- Supergirl is known to be more powerful

Hell, Superman in DC didn't even need to do that to force the Earth under his rule; in the Injustice games and comics, he was just that strong that when he decided to create the Regime, most of the JL and the world's governments got the cue and went with it.

Injustice is generally poorly written to just be a Bat power fantasy. It required Wonder Woman to be extremely out of character and for Hal and Barry to act like complete cucks to allow Superman to pull off what he did.

The fact that Batman’s group was exclusively compromised of no power to low power heroes was the main thing that allowed it to go on so long. Had the JL said no to Superman, like they realistically would, a lot would have been avoided.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Not really…

Beyond Bat plot armor, the majority of the JL can hold their own if not outright defeat Clark given how ridiculous the powers are.

Flash is the most obvious as his feats make him ridiculously over powered. Dude can open up entire new timelines if he wants.

Wonder Woman is usually not that much farther down from Superman in terms of strength and generally has no weaknesses unlike Clark. She is said to terrify Batman more than him when it comes to his contingencies.

Green Lantern is another character who can pull off a lot of crazy feats given how OP the ring can be.

Past the main JL, tons of other characters stand a decent to great chance:
- Any magic user can wipe the floor (Zatana, Raven, Constantine, Dr Fate, even Shazam if not an idiot)
- Plastic Man is near unkillable
- Starfire can actually outpower Kryptonians apparently
- Supergirl is known to be more powerful

Injustice is generally poorly written to just be a Bat power fantasy. It required Wonder Woman to be extremely out of character and for Hal and Barry to act like complete cucks to allow Superman to pull off what he did.

The fact that Batman’s group was exclusively compromised of no power to low power heroes was the main thing that allowed it to go on so long. Had the JL said no to Superman, like they realistically would, a lot would have been avoided.

I disagree. Modern Superman can just go sunbathing to get enough power to flatten the JL like it's nothing. They don't call modern Superman OP for no reason; remember that a good chunk of the nerd culture believes that this guy can take down Goku 1v1, and Goku is strong and fast enough to destroy most of the JL without even trying. If you're that strong, taking down the JL is like being the star football quarterback going up against a bunch of nerds who haven't seen the sun for years.

The only Superman who would get bodied by the JL is the original who's just a strong guy who came from a high-gravity world. The modern Superman can always just soak in more yellow sunlight to be potentially undefeatable. It also gives an excuse for whatever villain who hurts/kicks his ass, by saying that they had something up their sleeve or he didn't soak in enough sunlight to be strong enough.

God this is awful, the animation is so bad and the DEI is so blatant its blinding. I was excited when the first episode started because it looked badass, then they switch back to the CW universe.

The DEI is blatant because it's modern day. I remember a decade ago when it's just some dude making a racy joke and then someone saying it's offensive, now it's baked into the culture, so Eve's dad has to be an ass, the Atlanteans call their old customs barbaric, just to show how modern-day the series is.

That's necessary for them to fit the series in the modern day, because it was made in the ancient era of the early 2000s, when people used the word ''gay'' as an insult, and the comic likewise did it with no issue. If they did that today, Kirkman would get stoned to death by the woke mob faster than you can say ''JK Rowling''.

Not the best animation in season 1, with some really obvious moments where the budget just wasn't there.
Season 2 seems to be better, but it's mostly just reaching the level of ok.

It's OK for now, but like with Ahsoka, I'll reserve judgement until the whole season is over. This isn't like Netflix where they released the whole season of Cobra Kai in one go.

I guess the story in season 1 was interesting enough, you opened up with the hook of Omni-man being evil and that drives some of the interest throughout the season... so even when Mark was being a bit dull you still had the Omni-man b-plot but there isn't really a good replacement for it in season 2 (no interdimensional crazy man isn't very compelling).

If they are following the comic's story, then Omni-Man wasn't really evil, he was just scared that if Earth and his son didn't bow down, Viltrum would destroy them all. Essentially, he's Viltrum's good cop, and someone like Conquest is the bad cop.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

No wonder the politics surrounding Viltrum's takeover is so fucking surface-level that it might as well been written by a high schooler with the education level of the typical American who flunks history class.

I mean you shouldn't have been surprised the moment you remember the creator of Invincible created the Walking Dead, where the reason society went to shit is because he made the military pretty much retarded.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I mean you shouldn't have been surprised the moment you remember the creator of Invincible created the Walking Dead, where the reason society went to shit is because he made the military pretty much retarded.

Ah, shit, that's right. I remember the Walking Dead. I was so surprised at how much of my older friends and even my family who loved that show.

A zombie series where the main villains aren't even the zombies. As someone who played the Resident Evil games and Warcraft 3, that just makes me laugh my ass off. At least the Undead Scourge in Warcraft was treated with the gravitas that it deserved, instead of making it the set dressing while a bunch of human assholes took up center stage as the bad guys.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Ah, shit, that's right. I remember the Walking Dead. I was so surprised at how much of my older friends and even my family who loved that show.

A zombie series where the main villains aren't even the zombies. As someone who played the Resident Evil games and Warcraft 3, that just makes me laugh my ass off. At least the Undead Scourge in Warcraft was treated with the gravitas that it deserved, instead of making it the set dressing while a bunch of human assholes took up center stage as the bad guys.

Yeah like between Invincible and Walking Dead, Invincible is the better of Kirkman's work and has a better adaptation by default given how much of a mess The Walking Dead's television history is.

Walking Dead is also inherently worse because it just feels like the zombies are an excuse for the world to be a shithole for human villains to fuck shit up in the wasteland. Also created so many zombie doomsday preppers when the Walking Dead zombies are pretty much the lowest tier of zombie threat given how they can easily be killed, yet somehow they were too much for the US Military (I don't even like to suck off the military but ffs I think it would be easy for them to slaughter slow shambling corpses).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Yeah like between Invincible and Walking Dead, Invincible is the better of Kirkman's work and has a better adaptation by default given how much of a mess The Walking Dead's television history is.

That, and more people are into capeshit, so it's easier to sell Invincible to the masses as opposed to a zombie apocalypse story that normies might get bored with, especially with how weak the zombies are. Most people go see zombie apocalypse stories to be scared by the zombies, not by the human antagonists.

Walking Dead is also inherently worse because it just feels like the zombies are an excuse for the world to be a shithole for human villains to fuck shit up in the wasteland. Also created so many zombie doomsday preppers when the Walking Dead zombies are pretty much the lowest tier of zombie threat given how they can easily be killed, yet somehow they were too much for the US Military (I don't even like to suck off the military but ffs I think it would be easy for them to slaughter slow shambling corpses).

Exactly. At least in Warcraft Reign of Chaos, the zombies were smart, and their leaders acted with military precision; which explains why the human world falls to them. They poisoned the food supply with a virus that turns people into zombies. They conducted hit-and-run raids to decimate and infect lightly-guarded towns. They corrupted a high-ranking human leader so that he can kill the enemy of state and cause chaos in the human lands. Then they started knocking off any possible center of resistance, be they the human paladins, the wizards, or the high elves, so that their precursor to a demon invasion would go smoothly. The demons even complain that when they got to the human world, there was practically no resistance to their assault, and one of the demons note that the undead did their job well.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

That, and more people are into capeshit, so it's easier to sell Invincible to the masses as opposed to a zombie apocalypse story that normies might get bored with, especially with how weak the zombies are. Most people go see zombie apocalypse stories to be scared by the zombies, not by the human antagonists.

Well when The Walking Dead was airing, it was at the peak of when zombies were the most beloved thing, so it was the capeshit of the early 2010s to be fair. Hell people were dickriding the Walking Dead for the human characters.

Ironically, Invincible has more interesting characters than most of the Walking Dead cast, and the few interesting Walking Dead characters are either killed off, overstay their welcome, or are not even created by Kirkman like Daryl.

Exactly. At least in Warcraft Reign of Chaos, the zombies were smart, and their leaders acted with military precision; which explains why the human world falls to them. They poisoned the food supply with a virus that turns people into zombies. They conducted hit-and-run raids to decimate and infect lightly-guarded towns. They corrupted a high-ranking human leader so that he can kill the enemy of state and cause chaos in the human lands. Then they started knocking off any possible center of resistance, be they the human paladins, the wizards, or the high elves, so that their precursor to a demon invasion would go smoothly. The demons even complain that when they got to the human world, there was practically no resistance to their assault, and one of the demons note that the undead did their job well.

Zombies could be scary too if they had more durability or were incredibly fast. Both Rec and Train to Busan are good zombie movies that showcase how terrifying both those types of zombies could be especially compared to the easy to kill "Walkers" who would've been killed off in one month realistically given how fragile they really are.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

@Doctor of Autism

Well when The Walking Dead was airing, it was at the peak of when zombies were the most beloved thing, so it was the capeshit of the early 2010s to be fair. Hell people were dickriding the Walking Dead for the human characters.

Ironically, Invincible has more interesting characters than most of the Walking Dead cast, and the few interesting Walking Dead characters are either killed off, overstay their welcome, or are not even created by Kirkman like Daryl.

But other zombie movies had far scarier zombies. People who liked Walking Dead liked the humans, whereas other zombie flicks had the zombies be the main threat.

Zombies could be scary too if they had more durability or were incredibly fast. Both Rec and Train to Busan are good zombie movies that showcase how terrifying both those types of zombies could be especially compared to the easy to kill "Walkers" who would've been killed off in one month realistically given how fragile they really are.

It's similar as to how Viltrum is portrayed as this super-empire that conquered large parts of space, yet if you've got sonic/sound attacks and find the right frequency, you can fuck them into the dirt and annihilate them; and their numbers are low thanks to being downsized by a plague. Walkers, like Viltrum, are portrayed as a world-ending threat even though a competent military can probably handle them.

Halo and Warcraft did zombies better, since they had zombies that are led by beings that operate on a strategic level. Warcraft zombies can use medieval weaponry like swords and shields and can consume the flesh of their foes to regain their strength, Halo zombies can use guns and infect the corpses of their foes to add more people to their ranks, and they were fast as fuck and hit as hard as a truck.

 

[marvlouslie]

For the record, Eve's dad was just as big of an asshole in the comics, but here it's so absurdly blatant because "white man bad". The DEI shit in this show is so over the top that I don't even want to hate watch it to make fun of it. It's literally that unappealing to me.

The low quality animation isn't doing it any favors either. Fuck's sake, Snow White was better animated than this, and that came out in the FIFTIES.

 

[God of Nothing]

For the record, Eve's dad was just as big of an asshole in the comics, but here it's so absurdly blatant because "white man bad".

It just makes me like him more because he hasn't said a single stupid thing. He's just been extremely harsh by modern pussy standards. Even in her special, he has a point that something is off about her but focusing on it will separate her from other people. It's only when he hears other people already know she's different he decides to send her to a gifted school so she can fit in better. Except her autism was only related to matter.

He hasn't arrived home drunk, he doesn't beat her or his wife, he's strict on her even though she can kill him anytime she wants, and he doesn't do handouts. Eve's dad is a good man. He just exists in a world meant to cater towards pussies.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

What does even joining the Viltrumite empire even entail? It's not like the 40k Imperium that gives some restrictions on the populace (who are pretty minor by themselves). Humanity gets protection and better technology, while at most needing to send their heroes to wars rather than constant internal conflicts that kills thousands every week. With how bad shit seems to be on earth during the show, it sounds like an improvement, especially with the shit the alphabet organisations do.

 

[Kharash]

t also has glaring plot issues; for a entity that is supposedly super powerful, Omniman struggles to defeat the Justice League equivalent.

In the comic he completely stomps them. It's just in the show where they put up a fight for whatever reason.

 

[Gender: Xenomorph]

In the comic he completely stomps them. It's just in the show where they put up a fight for whatever reason.

Spectacle I suppose?

 

[God of Nothing]

In the comic he completely stomps them. It's just in the show where they put up a fight for whatever reason.

the power levels are inconsistent like they always are in comics or at the very least situational, like in real life
the maulers can hurt invincible but aren't nearly as durable for example

Spectacle I suppose?

To be fair, Martian Man was restraining him while Not!Wonder Woman and Immortal went to town. The damage he took wasn't lethal though. Same with what Red Rush managed to dish out by destroying his hands. Viltrumites endure ridiculous damage that would kill humans from shock alone in the comics. They get back up almost immediately after too where it'd take years of physical therapy.