Disaster Amtrak train derails over bridge, crashes into interstate near Tacoma

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amtrak-derailment-train-crashes-near-tacoma-washington-n830751

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It was going 50mph faster than the posted speed limit. There's no mystery here. And the people saying it might have hit something were basing it on passengers saying that it "felt like" they hit something. You know, because those passengers all had so much experience hitting something in a train versus experiencing a speed-based derailment. I don't doubt it felt like that to them, but any jolt to a train would feel that way if you didn't see what was happening.
 
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I have a feeling that the "impact" passengers keep stating they felt was tons of steel twisting sideways and derailing. Not like it matters, Alex Jones has already decided that the train was derailed by Hillary Clinton supporting grey aliens and if you disagree with Alex Jones you are a cuck.
 
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Drawn from a railfan forum who tend to get the reports the second they come out.

National Transportation Safety Board have stated that the recorder on the rear loco showed a speed of 80 mph - Reverse curve over the Interstate 5 bridge was restricted to 30 mph.

Which is rather like a similar incident in Spain using the same stock not too long ago. Mostly drivers getting lary with new stock and trains and then just ignoring the posted speed limits.
 
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unclestryker said:
About two years ago amtrack had a fuck up in philly. Thats why i thinking dat speed thing is what may have happened.

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It seems entirely likely the driver was distracted, or felt the train could "handle the track" as newer stock has a better ability to stick to decent track and whatnot. It'll be worse if it turns out the driver didn't know the route well or at all. Double shame as this was the first "high profile" train the new Siemcens Challenger locomotives were on as well.

Either way, the driver's up on some sort of manslaughter charges by the looks of things.
 
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autism420 said:
Reports are saying that that section of rail was rated for 30mph, train was going 80. Happy to see spergs here still still think @officialantifa is not satire and are blaming them for everything lmao
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That doesn't really entirely rule it out. One foamer who notices the speed limit is 30 and they routinely go 80 on it, and has a terrorist mindset, would view that as an invitation. Imagine someone as fucked up as Leonard Shaner, slightly less retarded, and much more malicious.

(Obviously antifa would go into delete everything mode because this really makes them look like utter shit, unlike the bullshit image they try to convey of being literally exactly the same as your great granddaddy storming Normandy to go kill Hitler.)

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It was going 50mph faster than the posted speed limit. There's no mystery here.
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So just forget that object it hit, as the AP reported?

Shouldn't we look into whether strange foreign objects are on the tracks? There are really only two ways that happens. One is someone really fucked up and the other is someone put it there with malicious intent.
 
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I once saw a man die because he took a posted 25 mph cloverleaf at ~40 mph. He was a local scrap hauler with a load of iron and it shifted. He got stuck in the cab and there was a fire that engulfed things quickly. DOT-mandated fire extinguishers can't put out several hundred gallon diesel fires. It sucked but that is physics for you. It gives zero fucks.

There is not a single doubt in my mind that going 50 over the posted limit pulling tons of passenger cars led to this accident. While they do give a bit of leeway over posted speed it is nowhere near allowing 80 in a 30. The physics are clear. F=mv^2/R The force increases as a square of the velocity when going around a curve. Then, when the shifted force derails an axle and plows it into the crossties, some idiot riding the train will attribute the accident to hitting something. Yeah no shit it hit something. The sleepers. That's what all trains do when they derail.
 
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AnOminous said:
So just forget that object it hit, as the AP reported?

Shouldn't we look into whether strange foreign objects are on the tracks? There are really only two ways that happens. One is someone really fucked up and the other is someone put it there with malicious intent.
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Most passengers report the feeling of the train hitting something, or lurching very suddenly in a lot of cases when a train crashes. This has been reported over and over again from various such crashes throughout history.

The reality is yes the train is indeed hitting something... the rail ties, the chairs that hold the rails on the ballast etc. Most folks report it as a lurch and striking something, mostly as the train leaves the rails before hitting the rest.

If a train does well over the posted speed limits (which are calculated a little on the safe-side, but not with a 50mph leeway). The train set was being pushed (it's known as a push-pull set, where the locomotives are at one end, but there's a driver's cab at the other) and the driver was going too fast. The engines probably pushed the cars off of the track as a result of too much speed and too tight a corner.

As Colt says, simple physics.
 
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Most passengers report the feeling of the train hitting something, or lurching very suddenly in a lot of cases when a train crashes. This has been reported over and over again from various such crashes throughout history.

The reality is yes the train is indeed hitting something... the rail ties, the chairs that hold the rails on the ballast etc. Most folks report it as a lurch and striking something, mostly as the train leaves the rails before hitting the rest.

If a train does well over the posted speed limits (which are calculated a little on the safe-side, but not with a 50mph leeway). The train set was being pushed (it's known as a push-pull set, where the locomotives are at one end, but there's a driver's cab at the other) and the driver was going too fast. The engines probably pushed the cars off of the track as a result of too much speed and too tight a corner.

As Colt says, simple physics.
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So are you saying the AP just made up the report that there was actually an object on the tracks?

It's not impossible. The AP isn't omniscient. It's still the report of the Associated Press that there was an object of some sort on the tracks.
 
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AnOminous said:
So are you saying the AP just made up the report that there was actually an object on the tracks?

It's not impossible. The AP isn't omniscient. It's still the report of the Associated Press that there was an object of some sort on the tracks.
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The NTSB said the thing was doing 80 around a 30 at the time of the crash. So who do you trust? Witness accounts reported by the AP who couldn't actually see any rail obstructions (if there were any) because they were in a passenger car or actual data from the NTSB.

If you want to go the conspiratorial route why not try the fertile fields of why this train running a new schedule was doing so in excess of posted speeds. Was it Amtrak marketing? Was it because BNSF pushed to have them clear of the mainline at a certain time? Was it improper training of new personnel to fill the new route?

It's a hell of a lot more credible than AP's report of one dipshit passenger who decided to ride the new choo-choo then it went *crash* after he heard a loud *bang* and he thought they might have hit something.
 
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AnOminous said:
So are you saying the AP just made up the report that there was actually an object on the tracks?

It's not impossible. The AP isn't omniscient. It's still the report of the Associated Press that there was an object of some sort on the tracks.
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What people report they felt or saw doesn't always match up with what happened. People reporting "the train struck something" doesn't always mean it has. Especially to a lay person who was busy reading the stocks pages of the NYT at the time of the crash. The NTSB are the guys who actually issued a report and it states the train was doing way too much for that bit of track.
 
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Especially to a lay person who was busy reading the stocks pages of the NYT at the time of the crash.
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Dude, this train was going to Portland. This guy was reading "Fixie Bikes, Unkempt Beards, Ruining PBR, and other ways to be a worthless fuck yet somehow always have money" not the NYT.

They need to create a word for this type of pretentious liberal douchebag version of a foamer. They are absolutely infatuated with modern "high speed" passenger rail even though is sucks eleven kinds of balls covered in open weeping sores. Reading the news report I got a strong feeling that this guy is it. Like, he could have just taken the bus or a car and it would be cheaper and faster, but this is the future! Like they do it in Europe! It's only expensive for people that don't use it! Sign me up for the first trip!

Then his shitty train crashed. Fuck that guy. His word means nothing to me.
 
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They need to create a word for this type of pretentious liberal douchebag version of a foamer. They are absolutely infatuated with modern "high speed" passenger rail even though is sucks eleven kinds of balls covered in open weeping sores. Reading the news report I got a strong feeling that this guy is it. Like, he could have just taken the bus or a car and it would be cheaper and faster, but this is the future! Like they do it in Europe! It's only expensive for people that don't use it! Sign me up for the first trip!
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Trains are like 1000x safer than taking the bus and a hell of a lot more convenient too if you have more than a few hours to go. The ability to lay down and more or less stretch your legs out is a godsend. I would never take a 16 hour bus ride if I could find a train going the same place.

Calm your ass.
 
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Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
Trains are like 1000x safer than taking the bus and a hell of a lot more convenient too if you have more than a few hours to go. The ability to lay down and more or less stretch your legs out is a godsend. I would never take a 16 hour bus ride if I could find a train going the same place.
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If you really want to get into it, I would never take a 16 hour bus/train ride period. I would fly. It's cheaper, safer, and quicker.

Anyways, Tacoma to Portland is a bit over two hours in an express coach bus which is this train's main competition. Amtrak can't really beat it because they share track with a freight line, like near all Amtrak routes. Making it faster so that it can even compete with coach busses requires expensive track upgrades. But since passenger rail has been a money-losing venture since the 50's that won't happen organically. Hence the bothersome fanclub people championing it everywhere to get the government to pour money into it. So they did it because hey who doesn't love porkbarrel transportation projects and then the dumb train crashed.
 
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