@Android Raptor Hate Thread

That's not what I said and you know that. That was disingenuous and a false equivalency, and you know it.

You wanted the age puberty ends. I gave it to you.
Except that's not when it's completely finished. Brain development obviously isn't finished, but things like full adult height, pelvis width, and body fat content arent completely finished developing til around mid-20s. It's a common myth that female puberty ends at menarche though, so I'm not surprised it made it to Wikipedia.
 
What does milimeters of height and pelvis width and slight changes in fat distribution have to do with sex?
A lot when it comes to something as dangerous as pregnancy and giving birth. Brain development has everything to do with ability to consent to sex. A 15 year old cannot consent to sex with an adult.

Maternal mortality is still one of the leading killers worldwide of 15-19 year old girls for a reason.
 
Shit, Mein Kampf has value as probably the most infamous criminal manifesto in history. It's impossible to study Hitler and try to learn about his psychology without Mein Kampf. The views exposed are abhorrent, but it's incredibly important from a historical and psychological standpoint.
What Hitler says about how the jews will argue and argue with you while never ever admitting fault and always finding a way to act two faced and try to come out on top is pretty much spot on for how you are behaving right now. You ignore everything inconvenient to the partisan and tainted position that you arrived at because you're too low IQ to understand the finer points of argumentation and you were "abused" so this gives you permission and authority to act like a retard. Meanwhile Hitler formed his worldview by actually interacting with jews and much of what he says about the "internationale clique" still applies today because his argumentation is grounded in reality and extremely persuasive. There actually are gigantic global banking cabals that want to control everything. Example A: Joshua Conner Moon is not allowed to have a bank account because Visa and Mastercard control digital transactions. The banks they interact with are deputized by the federal government, and the government is lobbied to by gigantic organizations that are funded by the likes of Soros.
If he had CP, why was that not enough to convict him? CP has been illegal since the early 80s at the latest. Seems like the real shit alone would be more than enough to put you away for a while (as it should be)
I can only fucking pray that you actually read and internalized the rest of my post instead of responding to the only part of it you comprehended.
 
I see this went political. [And then goddamn went off the sanity train while I dutifully digested information. Oh, well...here you go anyway: an acknowledgement but also a challenge on the child marriage stuff] :)

according to this 60,000 marriages in the US since 2000 have involved an age difference that would otherwise be a sex crime and the youngest bride the advocate interviewed has seen was 10.

Another issue with legal child marriage is that it's a loophole that makes statutory rape legal in many states. The article also discusses other legal issues, like the difficulty children have divorcing or even getting into domestic violence shelters in some cases.

I read that article. It defines "child marriage" where either person is under 18. Teens/very young people getting married is often very dumb, but it's not always a case of abuse or manipulation. That is the cause/experience of the people interviewed, but 60,000 in 2x years, without calling out the willing or the fools in love without exploitation is frustrating statistical presentation and diminishes the main concern, which is minors being shoved into marriage, typically with adults, and of course typically the minor being female (about 87%).

So I dug a little deeper to the source info, and it's about 14% minor-minor marriage. http://apps.frontline.org/child-marriage-by-the-numbers/
So 60000 becomes 51600, over 18 years.

(that article has tons of good stats, btw, though it's from 2017.)

Also interesting, per this article, only 20% of married children were living with their spouses; the majority of the rest were living with their parents. I think that was worldwide, though I didn't go through the hoops to d/l and read the full thing.

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I dislike their (article and unchained) broad focus, though get why. From the article:
According to Unchained data, 10 states have a minimum marrying age of 17; 23 states have a minimum age of 16; two states have a minimum age of 15; and five states don’t have a minimum age specified at all.
They should be focusing on the last two sets of states/people, and the specifics of the laws in the 23 states with a 16 floor. They advocate 0 marriage under 18. Can respect, but makes it less compelling, even though it bumps up the numbers.

For perspective:
Per the Frontline data, 67% of the minors,us info) were 17, with <1% under 15 (though that was still 1030ish 2000-2015).

The average age difference was about 4 years, with 60% of the adults marrying minors being 18-20; 25% 21-23; and on down, with 3% being over 29. Still valid, but it's not largely 60 yo men grabbing 12 yos, though 450 adults 40+ married minors 2000-2015.

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I also dislike the article's reference to the Un/unicef initiative, bc us child marriage and global child marriage are incomparable. From the un on 2013:
Between 2011 and 2020, more than 140 million girls will become child brides, according to United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA).

If current levels of child marriages hold, 14.2 million girls annually or 39,000 daily will marry too young.

Furthermore, of the 140 million girls who will marry before the age of 18, 50 million will be under the age of 15.
So worldwide, daily, there are 2/3 the number of all "child marriages" in the US in 18 years (using the 60k stat).

Yes, everyone counts, but it's just kind of crap to hook on a Un initiative aimed at massive, systemic bartering over and suppression of women/girls who are literally nothing where they live. The circumstances are (mostly, by far) not the same. In your fundie universe, closer.

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But I'm trying to square this:
"About 60,000 marriages since 2000 involved a child at an age or a marriage with a spousal age difference that would have otherwise been considered a sex crime according to Unchained data, citing state law. "
With this:
"Nearly 300,000 minors — the vast majority of them girls — were legally married in the United States between 2000 and 2018, according to a 2021 study."

I can understand minor deviations based on parameters, but this is a big difference. Even if the 300000 minors married 2000-2018 were all in marriages with other minors, that would be 150000 unions...but if you add a few more years, you get 60000? Can someone fix my math? It's late; I'm tired.

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Good news is that rates have dropped significantly, both in the us and globally:

From the Frontline article, child marriage dropped from 23k to 9k from 2000 to 2010. Other sources I didn't grab for this specific point indicated the decline has continued.

Globally, too, the rate has decreased, though the stats highlight the difference in scale:

"Currently, one in five young women aged 20 to 24, were married as children, versus nearly one in four a decade ago, according to the new analysis, entitled, Is an End to Child Marriage within Reach? "

Rates for minor boys globally run about 1/6 of for girls.

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I do think that, for US concerns, the below (from your article) is a good point/distinction, one I've seen utterly lost in some of these discussions here on KF generally and everywhere, and why "18" matters:
“We’re not arguing that you wake up on your 18th birthday with a newfound wisdom and maturity and the ability to choose a life partner,” Reiss said. “It’s about legal capacity: you wake up on your 18th birthday with legal rights of adulthood.”
Yes. You have more rights, legal agency, at 18, regardless of your personal immaturity or lack. That means you have more power to take care of yourself. Important especially if in a bad situation.

Maybe, just maybe, there's not actually a big problem with predatory conservatives and it's actually liberals, especially LGBT men, and that whenever you hear about gang raped toddlers there's a good reason straight white Christian men don't come to mind for most people.
You really think gay men are marrying minors? Take a look at the states with low/no age restrictions and highest rates of minor marriages. They don't strike me as particularly gay-friendly. Your challenge about assumptions is a fair question in the abstract, but on the very specific point of full adults marrying much younger minors (and if you read the above you'll see I challenge raptors articles stats/position and brought info about actual ages involved and at what rates - and it's mostly 17 yo minors and mostly 18-20 yo adults, though stats show maybe 30 marriages a year 2000-2015 of men 40+ marrying a minor, and 65-70 marriages/year to minors under 15, so it does happen), it should be easy enough to acknowledge that it's not mainstream activity , and that practitioners - again, check states - are more likely to be conservative religioussect folks than flaming LGBT. No doubt that's happened, too, but come on.
 
A lot when it comes to something as dangerous as pregnancy and giving birth. Brain development has everything to do with ability to consent to sex. A 15 year old cannot consent to sex with an adult.

Maternal mortality is still one of the leading killers worldwide of 15-19 year old girls for a reason.
Equating 15 year olds, 17 year olds, and at this point 20 year olds again.

Adding "middle schoolers don't ever die in childbirth" to the list of shit I never said.

You are a disingenuous cunt.
 
So I dug a little deeper to the source info, and it's about 14% minor-minor marriage. http://apps.frontline.org/child-marriage-by-the-numbers/
So 60000 becomes 51600, over 18 years.
The 60,000 figure is specifically child marriages with an age gap that would otherwise be criminal (since statuatory rape is legal in many states if the child is married to the person raping them). So even if it's minor-minor, it's a big enough gap to go beyond what would be legal under Romeo and Juliet laws.

Personally I think one child marriage is one too many.
Equating 15 year olds, 17 year olds, and at this point 20 year olds again.

Adding "middle schoolers don't ever die in childbirth" to the list of shit I never said.

You are a disingenuous cunt.
Do you think 15 year-olds can consent to sex with adults?
 
The 60,000 figure is specifically child marriages with an age gap that would otherwise be criminal. So even if it's minor-minor, it's a big enough gap to go beyond what would be legal under Romeo and Juliet laws.

Personally I think one child marriage is one too many.

Do you think 15 year-olds can consent to sex with adults?
You cite vague, stretched information and allege I said things I didn't.

I'm not even going to answer that. A 15 year old is not a 17 year old, and neither are 20.
 
You cite vague, stretched information and allege I said things I didn't.

I'm not even going to respond to that. A 15 year old is not a 17 year old, and neither are 20.
So you won't say directly whether or not you think a 15 year old can consent to sex with an adult, got it.

Totally not suspicious whatsoever.
 
So you won't say directly whether or not you think a 15 year old can consent to sex with an adult, got it.

Totally not suspicious whatsoever.
I'm not the one defending child porn. I'm also not arguing the developmental difference between a 15 year old and 20 year old is insignificant.

Unlike you, I don't have to defend my position on child rape.

You call this "debating"? You are without a doubt the stupidest retard sped in the history of stupid retard speds. Put down the fucking crack pipe and go back to middle school you diseased afterbirth.
No, you are, stalker.
 
I'm not the one defending child porn. I'm also not arguing the developmental difference between a 15 year old and 20 year old is insignificant.
Good think I never said any of that either!

I can only assume your position on child rape is that you're cool with it.
 
Good think I never said that either!

I can only assume your position on child rape is that your cool with it.

Books like Lolita that aren't meant for any sexual gratification (the polar opposite, in fact) have been challenged since its publication and banning lolicon could open the door to banning works like Lolita that deal with CSA in any capacity. It's pretty much the same issue as banning hate speech.
TLDR you think banning cartoon child porn is the same as arresting me for saying nigger.

By the way it's not, and you forgot your meds this morning.
 
TLDR you think banning cartoon child porn is the same as arresting me for saying nigger.
If it's a cartoon, it's not child porn. Doesn't mean it's not still nasty AF or that I want it anywhere near me, but you cannot compare horrific abuse of real children to gross cartoons and its an insult to victims of CP to do so.

I also said I think it's comparable to banning a novel that's been linked to the murders of 200+ people and has already been banned in several countries. Not you saying no-no words.
 
If it's a cartoon, it's not child porn. Doesn't mean it's not still nasty AF or that I want it anywhere near me, but you cannot compare horrific abuse of real children to gross cartoons and its an insult to victims of CP to do so.

I also said I think it's comparable to banning a novel that's been linked to the murders of 200+ people and has already been banned in several countries. Not you saying no-no words.
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Not you saying no-no words.
It's pretty much the same issue as banning hate speech.

Your additional (bad) comparisons don't negate my point.

By the way cartoon pornography depicting children is cartoon child porn. It's kind of implied.
 
Your additional (bad) comparisons don't negate my point.

By the way cartoon pornography depicting children is cartoon child porn. It's kind of implied.
Then go tell victims of CSA you think the horrific abuse that will haunt them for the rest of their lives is the exact same thing as someone drawing gross cartoons
 
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