Angry Joe / Joe Vargas / Jose Antonio Vargas / AngryJoeShow - Streamer, formerly made ANGRY REVIEWS, hates his fans

[Broken Pussy]

Link?

I can tell you from professional experience that even having an explicit arrangement to publish good reviews in exchange for undisclosed outright bribes isn't in any way illegal (just unethical), but I can't comment on some particular case where I don't know exactly what the circumstances or point(s) of contention were. I'm positive it wouldn't simply be "it's illegal to write good reviews for perks without disclosing them," though. Something else would had to have been going on and/or it's certainly possible that a review could be violating some internal policy of the reviewer's organization or a platform they are publishing the review on, but not a law.

Actually, it is a thing. If you're paid to shill for things online and you don't disclose, the FTC can fine you, I think. It's a big deal in the beauty influencer world, because a lot of them are sent PR packages and sent on PR trips. This is why you see a lot of hashtags that say things like "ad" or "sponsored", because there are FTC guidelines for disclosure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/04/20/celebrities-warned-misleading-instagram-ads/

 

[Cato]

Actually, it is a thing. If you're paid to shill for things online and you don't disclose, the FCC can fine you, I think. It's a big deal in the beauty influencer world, because a lot of them are sent PR packages and sent on PR trips. This is why you see a lot of hashtags that say thing like "ad" or "sponsored", because their are FCC guidelines for disclosure.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/04/20/celebrities-warned-misleading-instagram-ads/

Yeah, there are standards for false or misleading advertising. But in practice it can be extremely murky where the line is drawn and is very difficult to enforce. The Gamespot Kane & Lynch situation illustrates that there are a lot of influences that can't properly be mitigated or enforced. I guess it also depends on the medium and jurisdiction, as I know a publication in Vancouver that is all paid advertising content but does not in any way explicitly identify as such.

You have educated me on this though, as I didn't think this would apply to youtube content creators, but according to this article there was an FTC issue with PewDiePie promoting Shadows of Mordor: http://adage.com/article/digital/ftc-cracking-social-influencers-labeling-promotions/305345/. TIL (my bad, I'm not American or British and deceptive advertising regulations here apparently aren't nearly as broad).

EDIT - Just to clarify, it falls under the purview of the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) not FCC, and they are the body referred to in all the linked articles.

@DragoonSierra @Broken Pussy

Apologies for the double post, but I was reading through the relevant regulations because you got me curious.

Although there are no fines for violations of the FTC Act, law enforcement actions can result in orders requiring the defendants in the case to give up money they received from their violations.

(My emphasis added)

LOL, no wonder they call them "guidelines" and nobody takes them seriously. Apparently there are no enforcement mechanisms beyond people possibly having to return the payments they got...and even that hardly ever happens anyways because the Act is almost never enforced (in the articles about those "warning letters" getting sent out, it was mentioned that this was almost never done...and they were just warnings).

 

[Broken Pussy]

Yeah, there are standards for false or misleading advertising. But in practice it can be extremely murky where the line is drawn and is very difficult to enforce. The Gamespot Kane &Lynch situation illustrates that there are a lot of influences that can't properly be mitigated or enforced. I guess it also depends on the medium, as I know a publican in Vancouver that is all paid advertising content but does not in any way explicitly identify as such.

You have educated me on this though, as I didn't think this would apply to youtube content creators, but according to this article there was an FTC issue with PewDiePie promoting Shadows of Mordor: http://adage.com/article/digital/ftc-cracking-social-influencers-labeling-promotions/305345/. TIL (my bad, I'm not American or British and deceptive advertising regulations here apparently aren't nearly as broad).

It's all good. I don't think that people realized even just, say, 5 years ago, how much social media services would end up being basically just another conduit for advertising revenue, so I don't think it's weird for anyone to think that it's an unregulated practice, exchanging reviews for product. You can exchange reviews for product, but you have to let people know that you're doing so, if you're in a position to make money from it.

@DragoonSierra @Broken Pussy

Apologies for the double post, but I was reading through the relevant regulations because you got me curious.

(My emphasis added)

LOL, no wonder they call them "guidelines" and nobody takes them seriously. Apparently there are no enforcement mechanisms beyond people possibly having to return the payments they got...and even that hardly ever happens anyways because the Act is almost never enforced (in the articles about those "warning letters" getting sent out, it was mentioned that this was almost never done...and they were just warnings).

But if they do enforce it, people can lose substantial sums of money, and also have damage to their reputation. Reputation, people trusting your opinion, that's worth something, if your career is based on having an opinion.

 

[Cato]

It's all good. I don't think that people realized even just, say, 5 years ago, how much social media services would end up being basically just another conduit for advertising revenue, so I don't think it's weird for anyone to think that it's an unregulated practice, exchanging reviews for product. You can exchange reviews for product, but you have to let people know that you're doing so, if you're in a position to make money from it.

Yeah, I appreciate you helping me learn something new and not make misstatements about this in the future. But it still seems to fall into the realm of "technically illegal but almost completely unenforced and without consequence," so it's a pretty rampant thing in practice. Honestly social media site TOS and publishing company internal policies are far more robust than this toothless FTC stuff.

But if they do enforce it, people can lose substantial sums of money, and also have damage to their reputation. Reputation, people trusting your opinion, that's worth something, if your career is based on having an opinion.

You're absolutely right about credibility, but in my experience when this stuff comes out it's no thanks to regulatory organizations. They are behind the curve and are issuing warnings once specific cases have already caused a stir.

 

[Broken Pussy]

Yeah, I appreciate you helping me learn something new and not making misstatements about this in the future. But it still seems to fall into the realm of "technically illegal but almost completely unenforced and without consequence," so it's a pretty rampant thing in practice. Honestly social media site TOS and publishing company internal policies are far more robust than this FTC stuff.

It seems to me that what the FTC has done already is what they're most likely to continue to do in the future, send out "warnings". The warnings act as public shaming, but they also have the added bonus of being dangerous to the very reason any of these influencers are targeted to push product in the first place. They're influential. People trust them and will buy what they recommend. If you make yourself less influential by being seen as untrustworthy, there goes your bottom line.

 

[Cato]

It seems to me that what the FCC has done already is what they're most likely to continue to do in the future, send out "warnings". The warnings act as public shaming, but they also have the added bonus of being dangerous to the very reason any of these influencers are targeted to push product in the first place. They're influential. People trust them and will buy what they recommend. If you make yourself less influential by being seen as untrustworthy, there goes your bottom line.

Except it says in the article that they did not publicly disclose who they send warnings to.

 

[Broken Pussy]

Except it says in the article that they did not publicly disclose who they send warnings to.

It got out. There's a list I read online, but I don't remember where.

 

[Cato]

It got out. There's a list I read online, but I don't remember where.

Yeah sorry, I've been reading up on this while trying to keep up with this thread as well. Apparently Women's Wear Daily obtained a full list of them (although the FTC hadn't released the names to the public themselves): http://wwd.com/business-news/media/...rities-over-unclear-instagram-posts-10883342/

It does seem like this all got way more coverage in fashion press than anywhere else, which explains why you were previously familiar with it and I wasn't.

 

[Broken Pussy]

Yeah sorry, I've been reading up on this while trying to keep up with this thread as well. Apparently Women's Wear Daily obtained a full list of them: http://wwd.com/business-news/media/...rities-over-unclear-instagram-posts-10883342/

It does seem like this all got way more coverage in fashion press than anywhere else, which explains why you were previously familiar with it and I wasn't.

It would. And it did receive a lot of press on fashion and beauty blogs, yes. Because the people who got warnings were people who promote fashion and beauty stuff. There's a lot of money to be had in those two industries. Supposedly, Kim Kardashian gets a million dollars for one Instagram post.

 

[Dandelo]

Yeah but what those people want to see is terrible.


Could someone summarise what this video says? I can't stand listening to this dude and I'm not sure if it has anything relevant or is just him whining.

he talks about how YouTube creators forget what made them popular in the first place. other than that he doesn't say anything that hasn't been mentioned in the topic worth noting.

 

[Kyria the Great]

Since Joe seems to be just greedy at the point, can someone make a Joe happy merchant?

 

[Hui]

Yeah but what those people want to see is terrible.


Could someone summarise what this video says? I can't stand listening to this dude and I'm not sure if it has anything relevant or is just him whining.

No he has to make his money by giving you 17 minutes of "content" when he can do it in 5.

 

[PL 879]

This is a copypaste he supposedly commented before disabling them on one of his 'trailer reviews'. Sorry, no image.

Spoiler: long rant

"Tired of these fucked up comments ruining discussion here on YouTube. I tried to enable them again here because I hate this whole idea. But fuck. I'm disabling them from here on out, and here is why.. reference this comment when an innocent bystander asks why...

All I wanted was a place for discussion about the things I love and am passionate about but all you assholes who call me names and attempt to destroy my other videos want is Angry Game Reviews and Angry Game Reviews only. Where the fuck did you come from? Where were you years ago? People call my fan base "toxic" and I've never wanted to agree. NO! You're wrong! My fans aren't toxic. These aren't my "fans" god damnit.

Yes there is a small segment of toxic ass gamers who enjoy my game reviews and will now attempt to destroy this channel to get more. That's just the way it is, especially on the internet. All they do is blow through 120 Game Reviews then turn around and call me lazy the very next week you don't see one. Regardless of the other 1,135 videos I've edited and uploaded. I've been doing this for 9 years and I wanted one fucking break from them for a bit, one fucking vacation from them where I can put out other content in the meantime while I'm on break and I can't even get that from you.

That's how much you appreciated all the work I've put into this channel for you over all these years - I've never asked for your money, I've never even put up a patreon, ive never locked ANYTHING in my life behind a paywall, but do I get credit for that? NO! I'm instead somehow a money grubbing asshole even though this channel actually makes a fraction of what other MINECRAFT LPers at my same level make. If that's all I cared about I'd become one of those instead (no disrespect I've met good ppl who are, who shared their numbers with me and it's fucking insane, I almost quit on the spot) I've been doing this for as little cost to you as possible for as long as possible and this is how I'm treated when I put out other content on break.

Do you not understand there's no game I want to review right now? Do you not understand I can't be forced to crank out bullshit!? I've heard your feedback. You want Game Reviews and fuck everything else. Well guess what? That will NEVER HAPPEN. I started this channel on a Variety and it will continue to be because it keeps me SANE and PREVENT BURN OUT which you guys are accelerating like hell with your fucking bullshit. And I'm fucking tired of it. I'm disabling comments because all that happens is entitled little shits getting into argue nets with people here who just want to enjoy discussion about common interests. calling me names, and practically destroying my ability to even think about the next game review.

You are destroying my channel and my happiness. Negativity breeds more negativity trust me, I've seen this shit evolve in real time. No creative person can be forced to do something without change or break for 9 years. Why do you guys demand so much more from me when other youtubers of similar style/format are allowed to post one or two Reviews a month, or take 6 month disappearances. Yet if I don't have a fucking Review for a game every time one comes out then the Sky is falling and I'm a piece of shit fat fuck. Fuck this shit. I can't take this fucking shit anymore. I can't even think about a review right now I'm so fucking pissed! Do you know the majority of people who watch these don't even fucking comment? What about what they want?

What out the person next to you that enjoys hearing my opinion on these trailers IN ADDITION TO MY REVIEWS. I haven't put out a review in one month and you guys want to KILL ME! Why can't I just have a break every few years during some down time. You so quickly forget all the other videos I've put out and worked on by myself, so that makes me lazy now. Fuck you asshole. If I had a button to ban you from ever seeing another review of mine I'd press it. I'm just a fucking video machine to you and fuck my health and well being. If I don't put out full blown angry review productions at the same rate and frequency of every other let's play channel on YouTube that's 100% impossible then fuck me to hell. Well fuck off you whiny little bitches.

We don't need you. Unsubscribe if that's all you give a shit about, I seriously don't want your viewership. You clearly were never a "fan" in this first place if you can't treat me with any amount of respect and understanding. Im NOT talking to the VAST majority of you who don't even comment, you watch, enjoy and move on. This is for the small segment that does comment and attacks my other fans for no reason other than to be an ass and troll. You fuckers have finally done it, you trolls win. I see the analytics of what sites you come from and your organized forum posts and efforts to destroy my image and my other fans enjoyment of other content besides Reviews and I'm putting a stop to it.

Just like TB did years ago, and I never thought I'd have to do, I'm disabling this fucking cesspool of hate. Youtube needs far better moderation tools and to get their shit together before I consider turning them back on ever."

That was a painful read. The guy writes like a 14-year-old in his school psychologist-recommended therapy diary.
He's slipped even further into spoiled child tantrums than DarksydePhil.
One day very soon I'll be glad to take a road trip to Austin, TX just to tell Angry Joe what soda I want with my burger and fries.

 

[Foltest]

Since Joe seems to be just greedy at the point, can someone make a Joe happy merchant?

there exist one, but I can't find it now.

 

[HickoryDickory]

No he has to make his money by giving you 17 minutes of "content" when he can do it in 5.

Rich is a smug cow. His thread should really be updated.

At this point, Joe should just turn off the computer and take a week off or something to reevaluate his life. It's like his personal life dragged him down to where it made his work lazy and unstable.

 

[Hui]

He is more of a cow because of his weight if anything.

 

[snowmew]

Sorry if this is off-topic but here's an old audio recording of Delrith tail-yiffing his Second Life boyfriend.

 

[Blindrainbow]

Could someone summarise what this video says? I can't stand listening to this dude and I'm not sure if it has anything relevant or is just him whining.

Nothing, fucking nothing happens it just repeats the information you already know adds nothing new, and he spends the first 2/3 fence sitting before just using this as a chance to bitch out his own subs, before trailing back to joe to defend Joe not doing his fucking job and whine about "it so hard what he dose" before going back to semi-fan sitting but making sure to insult joe and his subs one last time. All draw out, non scripted and filled with stuttering.

 

[PL 879]

In the end, the similarities between lolcows such as Angry Joe, TB, Boogie, DSP, Spoony is striking when a common theme crops up that they feel "so unappreciated by an entitled and toxic fanbase."
This is the career path they have chosen, and have been very well compensated for that. All of them seem to feel the desire to be adored by all and carried around as Pharaoh on top of the income they are damn lucky to be pulling in. In Joe's case, he knows in his heart of hearts that he is unqualified in mostly any other career path, with an IQ hovering around 80. The reality that he is getting older, fatter, and less relevant by the day rips away at him and he does not possess the introspective skills to channel that positively.
It is going to be spectacular fireworks since this cretin will refuse to go down quietly and humbly.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Is Joe on Patreon? I did a quick google search and all I could find was him mocking the idea of patreon and humble bragging that he wasn't on it, but it was from 2015. There are also a few other people asking him on twitter if he had a patreon they could support, but it doesn't look like he actually has one.