Anti-Vax Movement

[EyelessMC]

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tl;dr - stop believing what your boomer uncle shares on Facebook

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COVID-19 vaccine: Will it be safe for kids and pregnant women?

archived 4 Dec 2020 18:45:04 UTC

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and THIS and THIS and THIS and also this and don't forget what @bricked added (as well as many others in this thread!):

the short version of what we know about the moderna vaccine:
1.) requires two shots, the second shot cannot be skipped and there has to be time between administering them. if you do miss the second shot you essentially have to get vaccinated again.
2.) the trial has seen so many side effects that it's had an unblinding effect on the study (trial participants are able to tell who has been administered the vaccine and who hasn't)
3.) they believe people will have to be reimmunized every six months

my editorializing: i'd rather get covid, and i haven't yet in these nearly ten months.

So yeah, aside from all this it's totally just what boomer uncles are sharing on Facebook. QBoomers, amirite??
You absolute brainlet.
You either got a double digit IQ on the wrong side of the decimal point or you're willfully trying to ignore everything that's been posted, even itt, even directly to YOU. I know you got Biden in your avi but do you really need to imitate his dementia also?

If you want to TAKE THE JAB like the clever boi you clearly are then go ahead. Whatever. But don't try to rewrite history less than two weeks old, let alone posted less than ten pages ago in this thread, in order to encourage others to follow your lemming ass off the cliff.

Some of us autists want our fellow autists to live through this insanity regardless of who they voted for.

Edit: Downvoting this post with mad hats won't make the facts go away dummy

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

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and THIS and THIS and THIS and also this and don't forget what @bricked added (as well as many others in this thread!):


So yeah, aside from all this it's totally just what boomer uncles are sharing on Facebook. QBoomers, amirite??
You absolute brainlet.
You either got a double digit IQ on the wrong side of the decimal point or you're willfully trying to ignore everything that's been posted, even itt, even directly to YOU. I know you got Biden in your avi but do you really need to imitate his dementia also?

If you want to TAKE THE JAB like the clever boi you clearly are then go ahead. Whatever. But don't try to rewrite history less than two weeks old, let alone posted less than ten pages ago in this thread, in order to encourage others to follow your lemming ass off the cliff.

Some of us autists want our fellow autists to live through this insanity regardless of who they voted for.

You are an anti-vax retard, the likes of which we used to mock on this site before it was invaded by /pol/ trash like yourself.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-children-doctors-see-link-between-virus-neurological-side-n1235501

 

[EyelessMC]

You are an anti-vax retard

>post extensive verifiable information (articles, videos, etc. several of those with links to/directly addressing research)
>all of it is exclusively about the not peer-reviewed, scarcely tested new viral tech of mRNA vaccines, specifically the Covid vaccines which were developed in a race for time by drug companies indemnified from liability in case of complications from these new vaccines from new vaccine tech
>never once say anything about vaccines in general
>even argue in one post that traditional vaccines are safer since we know more about/have properly tested their development and research

>anti-vax retard

/pol/ trash like yourself.

/pol/

 

[Vecr]

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https://archive.md/AoOpf

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and THIS and THIS and THIS and also this and don't forget what @bricked added (as well as many others in this thread!):


So yeah, aside from all this it's totally just what boomer uncles are sharing on Facebook. QBoomers, amirite??
You absolute brainlet.
You either got a double digit IQ on the wrong side of the decimal point or you're willfully trying to ignore everything that's been posted, even itt, even directly to YOU. I know you got Biden in your avi but do you really need to imitate his dementia also?

If you want to TAKE THE JAB like the clever boi you clearly are then go ahead. Whatever. But don't try to rewrite history less than two weeks old, let alone posted less than ten pages ago in this thread, in order to encourage others to follow your lemming ass off the cliff.

Some of us autists want our fellow autists to live through this insanity regardless of who they voted for.

Edit: Downvoting this post with mad hats won't make the facts go away dummy

I'm not sure what you point is, I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to force children or pregnant women to have a vaccine that's not tested for them.

 

[EyelessMC]

I'm not sure what you point is

That post, and what it's replying to, is very clear. Come on.

I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to force children or pregnant women to have a vaccine that's not tested for them.

Firstly, please read the post I was replying to and then read what was written in response, because it seems you really did miss the point.
I have no idea how you drew the subject of discussing the legality of forcing children or pregnant women to vaccinate from my post.
Secondly, it'd be more than just illegal. It'd be a violation of basic human rights to force anyone, let alone children and pregnant mothers, to take any vaccine. At that point you're talking about forcing people to get vaccinated, as if they're cattle, which, unlike what some have suggested, would be insane.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

That post, and what it's replying to, is very clear. Come on.

Firstly, please read the post I was replying to and then read what was written in response, because it seems you really did miss the point.
I have no idea how you drew the subject of discussing the legality of forcing children or pregnant women to vaccinate from my post.
Secondly, it'd be more than just illegal. It'd be a violation of basic human rights to force anyone, let alone children and pregnant mothers, to take any vaccine. At that point you're talking about forcing people to get vaccinated, as if they're cattle, which, unlike what some have suggested, would be insane.

You pretend not to be a /pol/tard, yet you do the stupid > thing.

You pretend not to be anti-vax, but you parrot anti-vax talking points.

 

[Techpriest]

Being anti-vax should immediately qualify you as halal. Plague rats can fuck off.

 

[EyelessMC]

You pretend not to be a /pol/tard,

Show me where, in any post I have ever made, especially regarding this vaccine issue, I am /pol/. Please, take your time. It'll take you a while to look through my profile to find something, especially since you won't

yet you do the stupid > thing.

lol You mean quotation arrows? (or >implying arrows if you want to be silly)
How young are you that you think /pol/ invented that?

You pretend not to be anti-vax, but you parrot anti-vax talking points.

What talking points, you ninny? What are you talking about?
Do you mean my posting verifiable information (vids, articles--especially one including a doctor/researcher involved in the study) about this specific vaccine tech and these two specific vaccines?

I didn't realize this image I made and keep posting because people like you want to pretend it (and the article archive-linked therein) doesn't exist is actually a copy-pasta

Spoiler: stand back I'm gonna do it again

lol

 

[Vecr]

Show me where, in any post I have ever made, especially regarding this vaccine issue, I am /pol/. Please, take your time. It'll take you a while to look through my profile to find something, especially since you won't

lol You mean quotation arrows? (or >implying arrows if you want to be silly)
How young are you that you think /pol/ invented that?

What talking points, you ninny? What are you talking about?
Do you mean my posting verifiable information (vids, articles--especially one including a doctor/researcher involved in the study) about this specific vaccine tech and these two specific vaccines?

I didn't realize this image I made and keep posting because people like you want to pretend it (and the article archive-linked therein) doesn't exist is actually a copy-pasta

Spoiler: stand back I'm gonna do it again

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lol

No, it does not change your DNA, it infiltrates RNA-containing nanoparticles into some of your cells, causing them to produce the spike protein, and the die or be killed after, showing your immune system the spikes.

Edit: it's not much different than using a virus to do the same, but this way you don't need to set up a system to grow them, you can just produce the RNA-containing nanoparticles. Your body knows how to handle this.

 

[EyelessMC]

No, it does not change your DNA, it infiltrates RNA-containing nanoparticles into some of your cells, causing them to produce the spike protein, and the die or be killed after, showing your immune system the spikes.

I said it screws with your genetic code not that it changes your DNA. It's not gonna make you grow a third leg or something, but rather, like you succinctly described, it's unnaturally forcing your immune system to function in such a way that's barely been tested for long-term ramifications (apart from everything else I posted about the testing for ages and ethnicities, not peer-reviewed, rushed, indemnified, etc. etc.).
It's abnormal in function, let alone development, and so dangerously uncertain in multiple ways, yet this is the go-to rather than traditional vaccine development?

The question I have is why we can't just have a normal vaccine for Covid like every other virus? Why must we take this case of Covid and let drug companies seize upon this opportunity to develop new tech in the most unseemly conditions?
It's ridiculous.

 

[Techpriest]

I said it screws with your genetic code not that it changes your DNA. It's not gonna make you grow a third leg or something, but rather, like you succinctly described, it's unnaturally forcing your immune system to function in such a way that's barely been tested for long-term ramifications (apart from everything else I posted about the testing for ages and ethnicities, not peer-reviewed, rushed, indemnified, etc. etc.).
It's abnormal in function, let alone development, and so dangerously uncertain in multiple ways, yet this is the go-to rather than traditional vaccine development?

The question I have is why we can't just have a normal vaccine for Covid like every other virus? Why must we take this case of Covid and let drug companies seize upon this opportunity to develop new tech in the most unseemly conditions?
It's ridiculous.

It's not "new" tech. We've had vaccine tests with this for like a decade. This method is quicker to develop and safer with a hyper infectious virus like this one. Injecting a live virus into you with something like this is too risky.

 

[Vecr]

I said it screws with your genetic code not that it changes your DNA. It's not gonna make you grow a third leg or something, but rather, like you succinctly described, it's unnaturally forcing your immune system to function in such a way that's barely been tested for long-term ramifications (apart from everything else I posted about the testing for ages and ethnicities, not peer-reviewed, rushed, indemnified, etc. etc.).
It's abnormal in function, let alone development, and so dangerously uncertain in multiple ways, yet this is the go-to rather than traditional vaccine development?

The question I have is why we can't just have a normal vaccine for Covid like every other virus? Why must we take this case of Covid and let drug companies seize upon this opportunity to develop new tech in the most unseemly conditions?
It's ridiculous.

That's not really what "genetic code" means, the DNA is still safely wound up during this process, it can't really be edited. When the RNA gets into the cell, if everything goes correctly, the spikes will be manufactured, and if the cell's contents are exposed to the immune system, it can learn about them.

Replication of viruses involves primarily multiplication of the genome. Replication involves synthesis of viral messenger RNA (mRNA) from "early" genes (with exceptions for positive sense RNA viruses), viral protein synthesis, possible assembly of viral proteins, then viral genome replication mediated by early or regulatory protein expression. This may be followed, for complex viruses with larger genomes, by one or more further rounds of mRNA synthesis: "late" gene expression is, in general, of structural or virion proteins.[117]

Assembly – Following the structure-mediated self-assembly of the virus particles, some modification of the proteins often occurs. In viruses such as HIV, this modification (sometimes called maturation) occurs after the virus has been released from the host cell.[118]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Replication_cycle

It's not too different than what viruses do to your cells every day, and if there's a problem with it, the problem will be very subtle and complex, not do to with genetic re-writing.

 

[EyelessMC]

That's not really what "genetic code" means, the DNA is still safely wound up during this process, it can't really be edited. When the RNA gets into the cell, if everything goes correctly, the spikes will be manufactured, and if the cell's contents are exposed to the immune system, it can learn about them.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus#Replication_cycle

It's not too different than what viruses do to your cells every day, and if there's a problem with it, the problem will be very subtle and complex, not do to with genetic re-writing.

I didn't say "genetic re-writing" I just explained what I said. I was specific in how I wrote it in that image, too. Now as for "It's not too different"--you are dead wrong. It's not only too different, it's so different that

As for why there would be concerns despite it being studied since the 90's?

But hey, thanks for being the guinea pig! - t. Doctors

Again, all of this was from November 17. That's barely just over three weeks ago.
These vaccines were already being shipped out and prepared to be distributed to the broad populace by December 10th "in case of emergency" around November 30th.

Again, please read the information I provide and the links I post otherwise it's just gonna be me repeat-posting and no one wants that.

 

[Vecr]

I didn't say "genetic re-writing" I just explained what I said. I was specific in how I wrote it in that image, too. Now as for "It's not too different"--you are dead wrong. It's not only too different, it's so different that
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As for why there would be concerns despite it being studied since the 90's?
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Again, all of this was from November 17. That's barely just over three weeks ago.
These vaccines were already being shipped out and prepared to be distributed to the broad populace by December 10th "in case of emergency" around November 30th.

Again, please read the information I provide and the links I post otherwise it's just gonna be me repeat-posting and no one wants that.

Yes, I know it could have problems, and there has not been anywhere near as much time as normal for long-term issues to show up, but it's less risky than trying to weaken the virus enough that's it's somewhat safe to directly inject, and easier than genetically modifying a different virus to create the spike protein.

 

[EyelessMC]

Yes, I know it could have problems, and there has not been anywhere near as much time as normal for long-term issues to show up, but it's less risky than trying to weaken the virus enough that's it's somewhat safe to directly inject, and easier than genetically modifying a different virus to create the spike protein.

Okay I'm not trying to be a dick but let me get this straight: Compared to developing a traditional vaccine for Covid and all that entails, it is less risky and easier to mass distribute an extremely experimental, scarcely fully studied, just out of its preliminary stages, not peer-reviewed, not long-term tested new vaccine tech which produced two new vaccine(s) that will require two doses and then supposedly another inoculation every six months (for how long after that? I haven't seen yet)?

Again, I'm not being facetious or snarky. This is the reality at hand here. This vaccine tech, let alone these vaccines, are more mysterious and unknown than the virus itself. We know more about the Coronavirus at hand than we do the vaccines meant to prevent it.

 

[Vecr]

Okay I'm not trying to be a dick but let me get this straight: Compared to developing a traditional vaccine for Covid and all that entails, it is less risky and easier to mass distribute an extremely experimental, scarcely fully studied, just out of its preliminary stages, not peer-reviewed, not long-term tested new vaccine tech which produced two new vaccine(s) that will require two doses and then supposedly another inoculation every six months (for how long after that? I haven't seen yet)?

Again, I'm not being facetious or snarky. This is the reality at hand here. This vaccine tech, let alone these vaccines, are more mysterious and unknown than the virus itself. We know more about the Coronavirus at hand than we do the vaccines meant to prevent it.

The FDA is currently reviewing it, but yeah, it appears that way. You just make the the RNA for the spike, plop it into the lipid nanoparticle, then just repeat the process. Get some of that, put the right amount into each vaccine dose. It does have to be kept very cold to protect the RNA, but that's the only real complexity.

Other methods require processing of actual SARS-CoV-2 viruses, or the genetic engineering of a viral delivery/creation mechanism for the spikes.

 

[Terrifik]

Okay I'm not trying to be a dick but let me get this straight: Compared to developing a traditional vaccine for Covid and all that entails, it is less risky and easier to mass distribute an extremely experimental, scarcely fully studied, just out of its preliminary stages, not peer-reviewed, not long-term tested new vaccine tech which produced two new vaccine(s) that will require two doses and then supposedly another inoculation every six months (for how long after that? I haven't seen yet)?

Again, I'm not being facetious or snarky. This is the reality at hand here. This vaccine tech, let alone these vaccines, are more mysterious and unknown than the virus itself. We know more about the Coronavirus at hand than we do the vaccines meant to prevent it.

Your are forgetting main part is that they don't have to be right about the cure.

 

[Vecr]

Your are forgetting main part is that they don't have to right for cure.
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Is that in the EU? In the US, the government handles liability for vaccine problems anyway, so if you live there it's probably not a major difference from normal. That only matters if you care about money and/or other people, the company or the government can't un-inject you.

 

[EyelessMC]

The FDA is currently reviewing it, but yeah, it appears that way.

Dude get real. I know that neither of us are biologists, let alone virologists, let alone virologists currently studying either Covid or this vaccine development in-hand, however just going off of what we are told from these professionals it's absolutely irrational to imbibe this stuff into your blood as opposed to general herd immunity.
I'm immune-compromised and I won't even take the jab, not this jab. The fact that this is supposedly a kind of trial run to see if this new tech can be used for future vaccines is also very telling, and worrying.

Covid is not the night terror certain people are making it out to be. If it was they wouldn't have been supporting mass riots protests by the thousand:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-monday-edition-1.5603024/over-1-000-health-experts-sign-letter-supporting-anti-black-racism-protests-despite-covid-19-risks-1.5603025

And we never saw the shocking spike in cases which should have occurred from those months of protests if it was such a broad terror.

Considering this, and considering the very clear risk involved in taking anything scarcely known into your blood (let alone something that will influence your immune system in this experimental way), it's safe to say that taking natural precautions to avoid getting sick is significantly safer than getting these Covid vaccines.
"Only time will tell" is not a phrase anyone should have to hear after they've gotten the injection, but we're already hearing it before it's even been distributed.

Edit: And just to be clear, I understand where you're coming from but I cannot fathom this kind of uncertainty being at all safer or easier than simply doing what needs to be done for a proper traditional vaccine.

 

[Vecr]

Dude get real. I know that neither of us are biologists, let alone virologists, let alone virologists currently studying either Covid or this vaccine development in-hand, however just going off of what we are told from these professionals it's absolutely irrational to imbibe this stuff into your blood as opposed to general herd immunity.
I'm immune-compromised and I won't even take the jab, not this jab. The fact that this is supposedly a kind of trial run to see if this new tech can be used for future vaccines is also very telling, and worrying.

Covid is not the night terror certain people are making it out to be. If it was they wouldn't have been supporting mass riots protests by the thousand:

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/as-it-happens-monday-edition-1.5603024/over-1-000-health-experts-sign-letter-supporting-anti-black-racism-protests-despite-covid-19-risks-1.5603025

And we never saw the shocking spike in cases which should have occurred from those months of protests if it was such a broad terror.

Considering this, and considering the very clear risk involved in taking anything scarcely known into your blood (let alone something that will influence your immune system in this experimental way), it's safe to say that taking natural precautions to avoid getting sick is significantly safer than getting these Covid vaccines.
"Only time will tell" is not a phrase anyone should have to hear after they've gotten the injection, but we're already hearing it before it's even been distributed.

Edit: And just to be clear, I understand where you're coming from but I cannot fathom this kind of uncertainty being at all safer or easier than simply doing what needs to be done for a proper traditional vaccine.

A vaccine is at least helpful for scientists who experiment with the virus, or healthcare workers, or old people who live in a group setting. For old people especially, they might not want or be able to wear an elastomeric P100 respirator, or they might want defense-in-depth additional protection along with that, for scientists or healthcare workers.

Having a vaccine available for people who want it makes total sense.