Anti-Vax Movement

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Anti vaxxers are calling covid 19 a scam and protesting...

What do they have against pharma companies really

 

[ProgKing of the North]

 

[KimCoppolaAficionado]

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Because the doctor wouldn't immediately notice when the arm feels like rubber and not flesh, or that there's no pulse, or that the injection doesn't take because there's no bloodstream. Props for one of the most Loony Tunes-esque plans to avoid vaccination yet, though.

 

[Orion Balls]

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Aren't most vaccines delivered through the deltoid?

 

[tumblrkek]

I met my first real antivaxxer. She didn't know the difference between chickenpox and measles and complained that her daughter will eventually get a vaccine behind her back.
She's my new stepmom.
Thank you for reading my blog.

 

[A Witty Name]

I eventually want to test the waters to see if there's enough to give this woman her own thread but right now, don't think social media posts alone are gonna cut it by Kiwi Farms standards. EDIT: I'm also a dumbass who didn't see that this thread was moved from Community Watch to Deep Thoughts.


Meet Catie Clobes, leader of the Justice For Evee movement.

Perhaps the most prominent ex-vaxxer these days, Catie Clobes was a mother who had one night gotten drunk, co-slept with her one-year old, and accidentally killed her by smothering her to death (PDF below).

Rather than accept fault, she instead blamed it on vaccines and started the Justice For Evee movement where she saw an opportunity to make money off her baby's death. To this day, she mainly spreads anti-vaxx propaganda on social media, roleplays as babies reading letters "thanking" their moms for not protecting them from preventable diseases, and uses other people's money to put up billboards.



Using that money, she got a private autopsy on her to try and prove that it really was a vaccine that killed her but all she got was confirmation that it was a fatal smothering from co-sleeping. NBC had published detailing this entire Catie story but she intends to sue them for what she considers libel.

 

[Jaimas]

The whole COVID thing has brought an unpleasant reality to the forefront that nobody really wanted to face: That not all of the Anti-Vaxxesrs' concerns were unwarranted.

We mocked the Anti-Vaxxers for being patently anti-science and paranoid about every aspect of them, but in the face of the COVID-19 responses, some of their ongoing objections that do bear some note (such as the bodily autonomy argument) make a lot more sense when you see just how big a potentially dangerous COVID vaccine is being ram-rodded through development without regard for its costs is being pushed, how many organizations are demanding its adoption to end lockdowns, and how the proponents of it are unironically arguing that it should be used for digital certification, proving that the most batfuck insane conspiracy theorists in the Anti-Vax movement, the ones that were claiming vaccines were going to lead to subdermal tracking microchips, have been retroactively proven prescient and now have a fucking point and a basis in reality.

We live in strange times.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

The whole COVID thing has brought an unpleasant reality to the forefront that nobody really wanted to face: That not all of the Anti-Vaxxesrs' concerns were unwarranted.

We mocked the Anti-Vaxxers for being patently anti-science and paranoid about every aspect of them, but in the face of the COVID-19 responses, some of their ongoing objections that do bear some note (such as the bodily autonomy argument) make a lot more sense when you see just how big a potentially dangerous COVID vaccine is being ram-rodded through development without regard for its costs is being pushed, how many organizations are demanding its adoption to end lockdowns, and how the proponents of it are unironically arguing that it should be used for digital certification, proving that the most batfuck insane conspiracy theorists in the Anti-Vax movement, the ones that were claiming vaccines were going to lead to subdermal tracking microchips, have been retroactively proven prescient and now have a fucking point and a basis in reality.

We live in strange times.

I just love how government and experts™ can always find a way to make this kind of shit prescient or prophetic. I hate everything. Now here's a personal conspiracy theory: the powers that be (not the pharmaceutical companies) want a drop in vaccinations from the clueless populace, who have forgotten just how bad disease can be. Once everyone is shellshocked from what was once a common part of the human experience, they will be easily manipulated in their grief to accept any number of things.

 

[The Great Citracett]

The whole COVID thing has brought an unpleasant reality to the forefront that nobody really wanted to face: That not all of the Anti-Vaxxesrs' concerns were unwarranted.

We mocked the Anti-Vaxxers for being patently anti-science and paranoid about every aspect of them, but in the face of the COVID-19 responses, some of their ongoing objections that do bear some note (such as the bodily autonomy argument) make a lot more sense when you see just how big a potentially dangerous COVID vaccine is being ram-rodded through development without regard for its costs is being pushed, how many organizations are demanding its adoption to end lockdowns, and how the proponents of it are unironically arguing that it should be used for digital certification, proving that the most batfuck insane conspiracy theorists in the Anti-Vax movement, the ones that were claiming vaccines were going to lead to subdermal tracking microchips, have been retroactively proven prescient and now have a fucking point and a basis in reality.

We live in strange times.

Oh yeah, I see a lot of these mask weirdos outright demanding mandatory covid vaccinations, a card to carry and present saying you've been vaccinated (with checkpoints), and even some sort of identification patch, badge, or wristband for people to wear for easy ID, such as kids at school.

And while I'm well aware those are pretty batshit antivax theories that have been around forever, I'm disturbed by how many people are coming out and saying those are really good ideas now because "we'll be heroes, we're saving lives!"

 

[Ginger Piglet]

mandatory covid vaccinations, a card to carry and present saying you've been vaccinated

Time for devil's advocate. There are some countries which will not allow you entry without an up to date vaccination certificate for infectious diseases. How is this any different really. Similarly, a lot of places won't allow you to enrol a child in school without vaccinations and proof thereof, or work in certain environments (usually hospitals or similar). How is that any different.

I very much doubt that the Covid Cops will be stopping and testing people once the shot comes in. That's just going to cause the BLM lot to absolutely lose their shit to an unacceptable level.

 

[AnOminous]

Oh yeah, I see a lot of these mask weirdos outright demanding mandatory covid vaccinations, a card to carry and present saying you've been vaccinated (with checkpoints), and even some sort of identification patch, badge, or wristband for people to wear for easy ID, such as kids at school.

Before I could go to school for the last time, as an adult, I had to prove I had meningitis vaccinations and a bunch of other vaccinations. What's one more that there's actually literally a pandemic of right now?

 

[Tanti-Fanti]

Before I could go to school for the last time, as an adult, I had to prove I had meningitis vaccinations and a bunch of other vaccinations. What's one more that there's actually literally a pandemic of right now?

Same here. There are plenty of potential illnesses that schools or even work places require you to be vaccinated for before you can even mingle there. Is it any more different, really? And in the middle of a pandemic, I doubt many people are going to object (unless the vaccine proves to be more harmful than good) except for these nutjobs. I get mask cops can be annoying as hell, but I highly doubt these people are going to suddenly forcefully vaccinate people on the spot.

Simply put, no one likes being put at risk for something they can easily avoid. It's the reason why certain places have these requirements to begin with. It creates a disruption that affects everyone else and most people don't like that.

For as much as these Anti-Vaxxers conspiracies can have a nugget of truth, it doesn't negate the fact that their overzealousness completely destroys any sound point they have. No one is going to really look at what these people have to say when at the same time you have these crazies purposely infect their kids (and others) with preventable diseases to "cure them". It's the same reason why other potentially good movements (not that this one really had much to begin with) go down the shutter when you let in people who clearly aren't in their right state of mind. It soils the idea behind it.

 

[AnOminous]

I get mask cops can be annoying as hell, but I highly doubt these people are going to suddenly forcefully vaccinate people on the spot.

The supplies are likely to be so limited at first they'll be in high demand, with vaccination limited to the most vulnerable. Sort of like when flu vaccine is in short supply except even more so.

 

[redcent]

Sco mo is planning for a mandatory covid vax

Don't know how the anti - vaxxers here will take that.

Watch this page, I guess

Will the USA do anything similar? Don't seem to be able to with all this constitution stuff

 

[AnOminous]

Will the USA do anything similar? Don't seem to be able to with all this constitution stuff

Pretty sure someone will try somewhere. The issue is there isn't even going to be enough for everyone who actually does want it at first, much less to force it on people who don't.

 

[cuddle striker]

As if they'll be giving it for free.
Think about some of the southern USA cows. They're not going to be able to get medical access to this, if they even hear about it. It'll be next fall before we've even got something known to be safe and through testing and available to the general public at large. It'll cost.

Only some states have enough medical access and coverage for the poor to get most people a shot. Even those states are damned disorganised. Mandatory medical care is a fantasy really. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't. People are off-grid, home schooling, marrying twenty teenage cousins in the woods, hiding on troon farms in the desert etc etc.

Smallpox, our ability to accomplish that kind of incredible feat medically- it's a thing of the past.
People actively want to die, these days. There's no convincing people to lose weight, stop smoking or even get a fucking prenatal exam.

There's entire communities of these feral disease vectors causing measles outbreaks in the 21st century in the West. There's not a chance we'll see covid vaccines that gain much traction.

The deep-seated hatred for science, intelligence and compassion is too much of an obstacle here. It's every vaccine. They've got entire conspiracy theory cults built around "Bill Gates microchip pedo island trump-god 5G gay frog essential oils supplements hydroxichloroquine taint-tanning Norwex" it encompasses the political spectrum into one wild, insatiable heap of autism and stupidity.

When you work in medicine and around death, you get to be a doomer eventually. At least life's funny.

 

[GenociderSyo]

The oddest thing i ever saw from the anti-vax movement was the documentary M.A.M.A. where they attempted to state that vaccines caused shaken baby syndrome.

 

[lurk_moar]

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That looks like something you would find in Dahmer's apartment.

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

The whole COVID thing has brought an unpleasant reality to the forefront that nobody really wanted to face: That not all of the Anti-Vaxxesrs' concerns were unwarranted.

We mocked the Anti-Vaxxers for being patently anti-science and paranoid about every aspect of them, but in the face of the COVID-19 responses, some of their ongoing objections that do bear some note (such as the bodily autonomy argument) make a lot more sense when you see just how big a potentially dangerous COVID vaccine is being ram-rodded through development without regard for its costs is being pushed, how many organizations are demanding its adoption to end lockdowns, and how the proponents of it are unironically arguing that it should be used for digital certification, proving that the most batfuck insane conspiracy theorists in the Anti-Vax movement, the ones that were claiming vaccines were going to lead to subdermal tracking microchips, have been retroactively proven prescient and now have a fucking point and a basis in reality.

We live in strange times.

I was pro-vaxx until this year for the very reasons you cite.

Also, since I used to work in diagnostics (on respiratory pathogens even!) I realized from shortly before the lockdowns that the "pandemic" was being manipulated for political and warfare purposes. You can't complain about a lack of test kits for a novel virus!!!

 

[A Grey Cat]

The thing is the antivax movement wasn't always rooted on the idea that vaccines cause autism or were backed by the flat earthers. The two original reasons were the Ebola vaccine had been rushed into production and skipped a lot of vital safety testing and thus caused more cases of Ebola to break out, and the Obama administration with it's draconian healthcare policy was borderline making people get vaccinated even if they couldn't afford it even if they were on his disastrous Obamacare plan.