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Sorry to bump this, but there's been a hearty dose of weapons grade crazy from these people recently:
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Piga Dgrifm said:
Sorry to bump this, but there's been a hearty dose of weapons grade crazy from these people recently:
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People like this make me cringe, coming from a family with a medical background...I've seen (and heard) what happens when you get non-vacced kids in school during a measles or similar outbreak. Shit hits the fan pretty fast.
 
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If they'd only do it to themselves, it'd be not that much of a problem (although by not being vaccinated themselves, they may reintroduce preventable diseases into the population), but they do it to their children too and sometimes let them suffer and die from entirely preventable diseases. To be honest, if people do that, they should loose the custody of their children and go to jail for a fucking long time, as they are a fucking danger to their health. Grade-a scum, the lot of them (and this shit is prevalent both among the fringe of the extreme right AND the extreme left (Horseshoe Theory, guys) and people having that opinion are liable to believe in other crazy shit, too (e.g. being so-called "crank magnets")).
 
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Piga Dgrifm said:
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They worry so much about vaccines causing retardation and autism (without realizing they don't) when clearly they should worry more about whatever the hell it is they took to make them that way. Did their parents thinking 'pregnancy' and 'pinata' rhymed?
 
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Jozef said:
When there's a huge outbreak of a once eliminated disease, I wonder if these fuckups will blame vaccines? Mark my words, they will actually say that the vaccinated children are spreading it to their non-vaccinated broken condoms.
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I wouldn't put it past them, either.
 
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I fucking hate this shit.
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So do I. I just temporary disable it for when I go there, then re-enable straight after. Lemme get you the summary.
Measles is now spreading outward from Disneyland in California, in the worst outbreak in years. The epidemic is fueled by growing enclaves of unvaccinated people.

The CDC reports that in just the past month, 84 people from 14 states contracted measles, a number that is certainly an under-estimate, because the CDC doesn’t record every case. California alone has 59 confirmed cases, most of them linked to an initial exposure in Disneyland. A majority of people who have gotten sick were not vaccinated.

For years, scientists (including me) have warned that the anti-vaccination movement was going to cause epidemics of disease. Two years ago I wrote that the anti-vaccine movement had caused the worst whooping cough epidemic in 70 years. And now it’s happening with measles.

Finally, though, the public seems to be pushing back. Parents are starting to wake up to the danger that the anti-vax movement represents to their children and themselves.
What’s sad about this – tragic, really – is that we eliminated measles from the U.S. in the year 2000, thanks to the measles vaccine. As this CDC graph shows, we’ve had fewer than 100 cases every year since.

But we had 644 cases in 27 states in 2014, the most in 20 years. And 2015 is already on track to be worse. Measles may become endemic in the U.S, circulating continually, thanks to the increasing numbers of unvaccinated people. Until now, each outbreak was caused by someone traveling from abroad and bringing measles to us. The anti-vaccine movement has turned this public health victory into defeat.
Anti-vaxxers have been relentless in the efforts to spread misinformation. Despite overwhelming scientific evidence that vaccines are beneficial, they endlessly repeat a variety false claims, such as:

  • The preservative thimerosal in vaccines causes autism. It doesn’t.
  • A healthy lifestyle will protect you from measles. It won’t.
Now, finally, some parents are pushing back. Parents and schools in California, where the epidemic began, are concerned that their children will be exposed to measles from unvaccinated children in schools. And the schools are starting to do something they should have done long ago: send the unvaccinated kids home.

The problem arises from California’s vaccine exemption policy: although public schools require kids to be vaccinated, parents can exempt their kids simply by saying they have a personal objection to vaccination. It’s not just California: only two states, Mississippi and West Virginia, don’t allow parents to claim a philosophical or religious exemption to vaccines And Colorado has the worst rate of vaccination, at just 82%, primarily due to parents claiming a “philosophical” exemption.

These parents are the anti-vaxxers. Thanks to them, we now have large pockets of unvaccinated children through whom epidemics can spread further an faster than we’ve seen in decades. The CDC reports that in 2014, 79% of measles cases in the U.S. involving unvaccinated people were the result of personal belief exemptions.

Anti-vaxxers don’t recognize the threat their behavior poses to others, especially to children whose immune systems aren’t functioning properly. CNN reported this week on the case of Rhett Krawitt, a 6-year-old California boy who has gone through 4 years of chemotherapy for childhood leukemia. His leukemia is in remission and he’s back in school, but the treatment wiped out his immunity, and he’s still not ready to get vaccinated. If Rhett gets measles, he might not survive. His father Carl wrote to school district officials to ask them to ban unvaccinated children from school.

Krawitt expects the schools to deny his request.

Meanwhile, the parents who refuse to vaccinate their kids aren’t budging. The New York Times reported on one mother, Crystal McDonald, who refused to vaccinate any of her four children, after “researching the issue” by reading anti-vaccine websites. When their high school sent her daughter home for two weeks, the daughter asked if she could get the measles shot so she could return. As quoted in the Times, McDonald told her daughter “I said ‘No, absolutely not.’ I said I’d rather you miss an entire semester than you get the shot.’”

Where does this breathtaking science denialism come from? It’s been building for years, as I and many others have written. The wave began with a 1998 paper published in The Lancet by Andrew Wakefield, claiming that the MMR vaccine was linked to autism. Wakefield’s work was later shown to be fraudulent, and his claims about the vaccine “dishonest and irresponsible.” After lengthy investigations, the paper was retracted and Wakefield lost his medical license. Despite this very public repudiation, Wakefield has stuck to his claims, though, and has spent much of the past 15 years speaking (or perhaps “preaching” would be a better term) to anti-vaccine groups, to whom he is a kind of folk hero.

It’s not just Wakefield, though. Anti-vaccine messages have been broadcast aggressively by the group Generation Rescue, led by former Playboy playmate and MTV host Jenny McCarthy, and by Age of Autism, a group dedicated to the proposition that vaccines cause autism. (Age of Autism is doing it again right now.) And just last summer, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. published a new book further promoting the long-discredited claim that thimerosal causes autism.

Most of the anti-vax crowd have no scientific training or expertise, which might explain (but doesn’t excuse) their complete ignorance of the science. Over the past 15 years, dozens of studies involving hundreds of thousands of people have shown convincingly that neither vaccines nor any of the ingredients in them are linked to autism. Vaccines are not only safe, but they are perhaps the greatest public health success in the history of civilization.

Measles, though, is dangerous. The CDC’s Anne Schuchat had a message for parents this week:

“I want to make sure that parents who think that measles is gone and haven’t made sure that they or their children are vaccinated are aware that measles is still around and it can be serious. And that MMR vaccine is safe and effective and highly recommended.”

Make no mistake, measles is a very dangerous infection. In the current outbreak, 25% of victims have ended up in the hospital. And it is extremely infectious: the CDC’s Schuchat explained that:

“You can catch it [measles] just by being in the same room as a person with measles even if that person left the room because the virus can hang around for a couple of hours.”

Perhaps the Disneyland epidemic, which has now spread to 14 states, will finally convince parents, schools, and state legislatures that they need to insist that children get vaccinated before going to school. Perhaps it will also convince parents to stop listening to nonsense, and choose wisely by getting their children vaccinated against measles. We won this battle before, and we can win it again.
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Pinkamena Diane Pie said:
If vaccines were deadly, can they harm these people?
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Oh, if I were a betting man. I'd say they would. Thing is, I don't think I've ever heard about them victimizing an adult "exposed" to vaccines.* If anying, I'm willing they'd probably betray the poor bastard if that happened and declare him/her a vaccine supporter.

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Case in point. Seriously these guys are fucking insane to think this. More so if they're outright threatening death on the baby and/or Mark.


*As far as I know. there may just as well be some who do and it's just that I haven't seen them.
 
Jewelsmakerguy said:
Oh, if I were a betting man. I'd say they would. Thing is, I don't think I've ever heard about them victimizing an adult "exposed" to vaccines.* If anying, I'm willing they'd probably betray the poor bastard if that happened and declare him/her a vaccine supporter.


Case in point. Seriously these guys are fucking insane to think this. More so if they're outright threatening death on the baby and/or Mark.


*As far as I know. there may just as well be some who do and it's just that I haven't seen them.
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Probably. I've seen a guy threaten to kill and/or castrate Richard Pan (The guy behind SB277) with a butter knife.
 
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And what these fuckwads don't realize is that some of these diseases can cause mental retardation, at least if a woman is infected while pregnant. Not the vaccine.

We don't allow parents to withhold other life-saving medicine from their children (like cancer treatments, or treatments for diabetes) on the basis of faith healing, why something like this? It's fucking child abuse. We're so close to wiping out polio.
 
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And what these fuckwads don't realize is that some of these diseases can cause mental retardation, at least if a woman is infected while pregnant. Not the vaccine.

We don't allow parents to withhold other life-saving medicine from their children (like cancer treatments, or treatments for diabetes) on the basis of faith healing, why something like this? It's fucking child abuse. We're so close to wiping out polio.
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They're peddling biological threats with their stupidity and deceit.

My contention is that the anti-vaxxers should be given an island to live on. No ties to the rest of the world, just their little snowflakes packaged together. If they want to live in a bubble, so be it. They are not entitled to live in the bubble of common society if they refuse to play by the rules which everyone else has agreed to.
 
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