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Sasha Baron Cohen kinda disgusts me and I can’t enjoy anything he makes. Even Ali G was dishonest editing in a way that ruins any way I could enjoy it.
Are there Any Woke Properties that you Unironically Enjoy?
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I'm generally a fan of Dimension 20 (D&D actual play show) but it does have a fair amount of woke cringe, mostly in the form of heavy handed "capitalism bad" and "organized religion bad" themes in certain seasons. Ally Beardsley, the resident enby on the main cast, is unsurprisingly the worst player and every PC she makes must reenact Ally's irl arc of escaping her evil Evangelical family and embracing queerness etc. Also just random annoying forced woke moments, e.g. in the talking animals mystery season "Of Mice and Murder", which is set in 1910s England, two random background NPCs are in a gay marriage that's not acknowledged as even noteworthy, there's just gay marriage in this setting. In "A Crown of Candy" (Candyland meets GoT), Ally's character Liam is an asexual teenage boy from the nobility, and an NPC tells him it's fine if he wants to marry someone of any gender. This in a low fantasy medieval setting where marriages among the nobility are political, arranged, and intended to produce heirs. It's just clearly done because of modern political reasons and they don't even have the balls to explore a fantasy culture with different values from modern coastie liberalism, even in settings like CoC where they theoretically are trying to do that. It's a setting based on medieval Europe with a powerful centralized monotheistic church, and not one of the PCs follows the mainstream religion, they're all agnostics or secret pagans. And of course, the church turns out to be the main antagonist. It just would have been such a more interesting season if even one of the players could stomach playing a fantasy Christian.
Another thing that gets called out as woke that I actually don't mind is casting non-whites in historical settings. I thought Joel Cohen's Macbeth was great. Macbeth is played by Denzel Washington and half the Scottish nobles are played by black actors, but I think it's a valid casting choice, Denzel fuckin killed it. They do it in The Great too, Count Orlo is British-Indian, Arkady is black, etc. and I don't care. I'm already suspending my disbelief that everyone is speaking modern English, I can pretty easily accept that these are non-white actors playing white Russians. Their races aren't brought up, nobody is saying "we wuz boyars", they're just having a diverse cast play theoretically white characters (and most of the cast is white btw) because that allows them to pick the best actors for the parts. I can't imagine another actor playing Orlo and I don't give a shit that he's one or two shades darker than his historical namesake.
Another thing that gets called out as woke that I actually don't mind is casting non-whites in historical settings. I thought Joel Cohen's Macbeth was great. Macbeth is played by Denzel Washington and half the Scottish nobles are played by black actors, but I think it's a valid casting choice, Denzel fuckin killed it. They do it in The Great too, Count Orlo is British-Indian, Arkady is black, etc. and I don't care. I'm already suspending my disbelief that everyone is speaking modern English, I can pretty easily accept that these are non-white actors playing white Russians. Their races aren't brought up, nobody is saying "we wuz boyars", they're just having a diverse cast play theoretically white characters (and most of the cast is white btw) because that allows them to pick the best actors for the parts. I can't imagine another actor playing Orlo and I don't give a shit that he's one or two shades darker than his historical namesake.
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I have lost all respect for Sacha Baron Cohen too. He's a retarded kike whose even more retarded than the characters he plays.
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The Ancilliary series by Ann Leckie is really good. Though I'm not 100% sure if it fully classifies as Woke, as all the Radch are considered women regardless of what diddly bits they have. But her fantasy novel the Raven's Tower does have a trans male as the protagonist.
She's done a really good job of writing characters where you feel almost overwhelmed by their personalities. In the Ancillary Series it's a tyrannical multiworld government with a black woman in charge, and the ships have AIs that know everything that happens in them and have "ancillaries" which are captured slaves who get turned into cyborgs that are completely controlled by the Ship AI which considers itself a seamless hivemind. The series follows the AI of what ship that was betrayed and destroyed, leaving it with only one ancilliary which contains the sum total of it's thousands of years of knowledge, and it uses that knowledge to exact revenge on the one that betrayed her. In The Raven's Tower it's written in 2nd person view where there's a god that's talking to the main character the entire book, describing his actions and what's going on around him, the entire book is written as if every word was spoken by the god. In this world god's powers are their words, where everything they say is true or will/must be true. Gods must be careful to not utter a statement they don't have the power to make truth, as the attempt would kill them.
She's done a really good job of writing characters where you feel almost overwhelmed by their personalities. In the Ancillary Series it's a tyrannical multiworld government with a black woman in charge, and the ships have AIs that know everything that happens in them and have "ancillaries" which are captured slaves who get turned into cyborgs that are completely controlled by the Ship AI which considers itself a seamless hivemind. The series follows the AI of what ship that was betrayed and destroyed, leaving it with only one ancilliary which contains the sum total of it's thousands of years of knowledge, and it uses that knowledge to exact revenge on the one that betrayed her. In The Raven's Tower it's written in 2nd person view where there's a god that's talking to the main character the entire book, describing his actions and what's going on around him, the entire book is written as if every word was spoken by the god. In this world god's powers are their words, where everything they say is true or will/must be true. Gods must be careful to not utter a statement they don't have the power to make truth, as the attempt would kill them.
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Mainly woke music. I really like breakcore and sped up stuff, stimulates my retard brain. But I can't fucking stand how some "musicians" put on their braindead politics on them. Yesterday I discovered a pretty cool song but when I read the lyrics it was pure brainwashing. Went on the artist's twitter and it was your typical terminally online racist faggot. It hurt so much to delete that song from my playlist but I simply cannot support someone like this.
From now on I'll just ignore the lyrics and will not be diving into the colorful rabbit hole ever again.
From now on I'll just ignore the lyrics and will not be diving into the colorful rabbit hole ever again.
I have to ask this, but seriously, how do you americans stand living knowing that these kinds of people live in the same country as you? The USA once was known as this all-powerful, no-nonsense land, and the stereotype was that all americans were chads that loved to grill. Now it's one of the most LGBT friendly countries to be in, and where most of these idiots originate from.
Sorry for the sperg but I feel like China is taking over the world not just by politics and economy, but by status as well.
Sorry for the sperg but I feel like China is taking over the world not just by politics and economy, but by status as well.
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Mostly by understanding that it's a vocal minority. Most average US citizens don't really care beyond: "Sure, gays can get married, whatever." It's just that the loudest people in this country tend to also be retarded. No great surprise there; retards are incapable of understanding that regular people don't find their screeching to be endearing. LGBTBBQ++++ acceptance in this country is slowly declining, assuredly because of trannies insisting that nothing is ever enough for them. "Well, I did support gay rights until these men in dresses started insisting that just accepting gay people is fascism, and that I also need to let them groom my 4-year-old son, and also that if I play a dumb videogame about wizards it makes me a proud Hitler supporter, and also that I need to stop being in favor of free speech or I'm a member of the SS, and also..."
Cohen is the kind of guy who does racist jokes about socially acceptable minorities to make fun of while criticizing anybody who does something slightly against the current liberal zeitgeist.
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It’s more that he’ll have his own people make it seem like some small town or country is horribly racist because his comedy is framed as “look at how people react to this wacky character!”
It’s also just taking advantage of people when he puts them on. A few people talked about this. He’s a giant dick laughing at people more so than him getting laughed at.
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Personally I can't stand this, partly because I'm into history so inaccuracies bother me and partly because it's such a double standard. You won't whities in POC roles regardless how good actors they are. Hell people of the characters actual race get called out if they look light. I'm still amused that ethnically Egyptian guy from Eqypt is too white to play Eqyptian god.
As far as woke I unitonacally enjoy, I love girl power pop and rock. That is all about girls are powerful and can do anything, filled with energy and optimism in good rhythm. It's just so fun and happy. Admittedly bit dumb but I find that be true pretty much all music as it's more about mood and emotional payoff than saying anything.
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Which seems ironic considering Robert Downy Jr did blackface and pulled it off
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Big fan of Doctor who but I was a much bigger one as a kid and teenager.
Female doctor could have been fine if they had a quality show runner to boot. But that wasn't present so you get shit like Rosa Parks actually fought aliens or with the previous doctor (Peter Capaldi) had not aborting a moon fetus. Like fuck that shit, gimme something that's actually provocative if you're gonna nigger worship, stop geogre Floyd from dying or MLK have some fucking balls.
Female doctor could have been fine if they had a quality show runner to boot. But that wasn't present so you get shit like Rosa Parks actually fought aliens or with the previous doctor (Peter Capaldi) had not aborting a moon fetus. Like fuck that shit, gimme something that's actually provocative if you're gonna nigger worship, stop geogre Floyd from dying or MLK have some fucking balls.
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Pride (2014) is pretty good. The Ls & Gs fighting the man (Thatcher) with class solidarity and all that.
Its a pretty respectful historical drama with a good cast and slipped in just before the full trans mainstreaming, so it lets Gays and Lesbians have their historical space as GLB.
Gays and Lesbians probably won't get mainstream film like this which does not at least heavily lampshade the rest of the acronym.
What you probably like about them is that they are not performatively in a relationship, they act like a married couple who are also both men and super heroes.
This is because (from what gays who were around at the time told me) they are characters actually written for gay men, not for the straight white liberals that want performative representation in their media.
Ofcourse they were canonically broken up by DC because no healthy marriage is allowed in this day and age.
From what I remember Midnighter mostly just hits on Dick Grayson now and Apollo functionally does not exist.
Its a pretty respectful historical drama with a good cast and slipped in just before the full trans mainstreaming, so it lets Gays and Lesbians have their historical space as GLB.
Gays and Lesbians probably won't get mainstream film like this which does not at least heavily lampshade the rest of the acronym.
I just enjoyed imagining a Malcom X episode, but alas he would be impossible, way too radical, even after historians lowered his power level.
Yes.
What you probably like about them is that they are not performatively in a relationship, they act like a married couple who are also both men and super heroes.
This is because (from what gays who were around at the time told me) they are characters actually written for gay men, not for the straight white liberals that want performative representation in their media.
Ofcourse they were canonically broken up by DC because no healthy marriage is allowed in this day and age.
From what I remember Midnighter mostly just hits on Dick Grayson now and Apollo functionally does not exist.
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Mulan wasn't woke. It might have been the Spice Girls brand of girl power, but at the end of the movie she stops dressing like a chick to get with the dude she's splooshing over the whole movie.
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The original, I thought the post I was replying to mentioned the original Mulan.
I haven't seen the live action remake but I just watched the trailer. As far as I can tell it's pretty true and honest to the original; except there's a wizard? I dunno.
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The Rosa Parks episode was one of the dumbest things ever done in Doctor Who. The evil future racist wasn't even trying to assassinate Rosa Parks, he was just trying to stop her getting on a bus. He was going to somehow prevent the civil rights movement from happening by doing this. Somehow this nonsense got nominated for a Hugo award.
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I guess rock music, since lots of the bands were all hippies and all.
Series wise, I think Doom counts, somehow? Like, Romero and co are pretty woke, but the games itself lack it, even Eternal, which you would expect from a Bethesda published game in 2020.
Wolfenstein is also a strange case, I hated New Collossus, but less of the woke (thank you Machinegames, but I rather not see a black dude fucking an obese german woman) and more of the gameplay being inferior to the first 2 reboot games.
Series wise, I think Doom counts, somehow? Like, Romero and co are pretty woke, but the games itself lack it, even Eternal, which you would expect from a Bethesda published game in 2020.
Wolfenstein is also a strange case, I hated New Collossus, but less of the woke (thank you Machinegames, but I rather not see a black dude fucking an obese german woman) and more of the gameplay being inferior to the first 2 reboot games.
Wait, for real? Who even wrote that and thought "that's a good plot"?
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I really enjoyed Euphoria, and the /tv/ episode premier threads were great. I tried rewatching it recently and found it fucking intolerable though.
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Cozy fantasy books where characters retire from adventuring and build a comfortable rural or city life for themselves. They usually have some wokeisms, but I enjoy the cozy vibes enough to look past that. Really liked Legends & Lattes, where a burly female orc adventurer retires to build a coffee shop. She falls in love with her succubus waitress in the end, but the lesbian romance isn't the biggest focus of the book so it's ok. Other than that it doesn't have many woke insertions, all the "diversity" is handled with fantasy races like orcs and gnomes and ratmen without any obvious black people standins.
I bought Can't Spell Treason Without Tea because it promised a similar setup as Legends & Lattes, but it had much more blatant wokeisms in it that made it hard for me to enjoy. Most prominently, a major side character identifies as non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. It really fucks with the flow of reading when you have a single character's actions described but it keeps saying "they". Even worse, it makes it hard to imagine the character. I like to form mental images of characters, but that's hardly possible when you don't even know what sex the character is. I think it's a woman, but it's never made clear beyond a vague physical description.
This made me extremely wary towards books by woke authors. Gender neutral characters referred to as "they" really fuck with the flow of your reading.
I bought Can't Spell Treason Without Tea because it promised a similar setup as Legends & Lattes, but it had much more blatant wokeisms in it that made it hard for me to enjoy. Most prominently, a major side character identifies as non-binary and uses "they" pronouns. It really fucks with the flow of reading when you have a single character's actions described but it keeps saying "they". Even worse, it makes it hard to imagine the character. I like to form mental images of characters, but that's hardly possible when you don't even know what sex the character is. I think it's a woman, but it's never made clear beyond a vague physical description.
This made me extremely wary towards books by woke authors. Gender neutral characters referred to as "they" really fuck with the flow of your reading.
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It’s not even really girl power or woke. The motivation that Mulan has is to make her family proud/ protect her crippled war hero father.
Her failing to be what her mother wants of her is kind of a modern anachronism, but I never got that she resented going to the matchmaker or hated having to get married. At most it’s a healthy fear of not being acknowledged for who she is with the whole “A Girl Worth Fighting For” and “Reflection” are about.
The movie adds a virtue the original didn’t have. I wouldn’t say the Cartoon was woke. Mulan never resents society for her lack of fitting in, she’s a smart, but clumsy girl who loves her father.
Milan’s call to action is to try to save her father who physically cannot go to war and will be used as cannon fodder.