Are there Any Woke Properties that you Unironically Enjoy?

[gamerweeb1]

Knives Out.

Glass Onion sucked though.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

It's about making certain groups feel bad / look bad / be humiliated. That IS cultural marxism because marxism is about cutting down the tallest, demolishing cultural heroes and figures and the lynchpins of society so that it becomes weak and ripe for a new Marxist system of values and control. Ripley isn't Woke. Sarah Connor wasn't woke

That is done in the case of overt Marxism. Implicit and subtle Marxism do not do that. Ripley, the bride and Sarah Connor are still positively feminine cause they're mothers first, subversive action heroes second whereas Marxist woke women hate children, they hate being treated like women, they want to be physically women with the power/attitude of a man. Which is why back in the day when you needed a good female action hero, the only plot point which could do so was her being raped or something happening to the child, prompting well justified revenge whereas modern women action heroes take "revenge" on men for merely existing. Subtle Marxist properties like arcane, halo jones and the like don't portray their women as overtly misandrist but they very much hate being women and want to be in the position of a man without earning it or without any accountability/responsibility. The more smart Marxists do not portray their prejudices and hatred explicitly when making wome properties cause they know it's optically inconvenient, only the idiot ones do so.

 

[Overly Serious]

That is done in the case of overt Marxism. Implicit and subtle Marxism do not do that. Ripley, the bride and Sarah Connor are still positively feminine cause they're mothers first, subversive action heroes second whereas Marxist woke women hate children, they hate being treated like women, they want to be physically women with the power/attitude of a man. Which is why back in the day when you needed a good female action hero, the only plot point which could do so was her being raped or something happening to the child, prompting well justified revenge whereas modern women action heroes take "revenge" on men for merely existing. Subtle Marxist properties like arcane, halo jones and the like don't portray their women as overtly misandrist but they very much hate being women and want to be in the position of a man without earning it or without any accountability/responsibility. The more smart Marxists do not portray their prejudices and hatred explicitly when making wome properties cause they know it's optically inconvenient, only the idiot ones do so.

I was entertaining your thesis for the first part and seeing how it could be supportable. But you lost me at Arcane. It's not woke and your position is that anything which presents a case of a woman being motivated by other than child-raising / wifely duties is woke, is not a position I agree with. And in fact dislike. Someone's role in society or even if they participate in it, is not morally governed by their sex. And this is coming from someone who is a big believer in the model of the traditional family.

You and I will not come to agreement on this topic.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

I was entertaining your thesis for the first part and seeing how it could be supportable. But you lost me at Arcane. It's not woke and your position is that anything which presents a case of a woman being motivated by other than child-raising / wifely duties is woke, is not a position I agree with. And in fact dislike. Someone's role in society or even if they participate in it, is not morally governed by their sex. And this is coming from someone who is a big believer in the model of the traditional family.

You and I will not come to agreement on this topic.

Fair I think its more a product of instinct and biology not socialization or societal gender roles. The rejection and denial of instinct for rationalism I find quite post modern and Marxist, not that rationalism is wrong but both are equally required. Arcane on the other hand to me is pretty woke cause of the explicit signalling of many Marxist talking points,

about mental illness needing constructive character integration instead of treatment and resolution, "mental illness as an identity" with jinx

about the old order being completely devoid of meaning or restrictive in nature with heimerdinger

Strong masculine figures getting killed off with Vander which to me seems like denouncing "toxic masculinity", Jayce isn't strong he's an average man and possible pushover considering his significant lack of conviction and power in any given situation.


There's the framing of mel medradas political manipulation being neutral at best positive at worst which, if a man did it would definitely be framed negatively.

The piltover vs underworld dichotomy doesn't seem as sympethetic as say in alita battle angel. Piltover seems to be depicted as evil ignorant rich people when they don't seem to fit that description from their portrayal in the show.

The final main protagonist trio are vi the butch lesbian, jinx the mentally ill arsonist and the black separatist possibly communist kid, whose actions are framed as positive 90% of the time. Not really doing them favors of subtlety.

There's a possible indication of criminality being a result of material circumstances and not lack of personal responsibility with the main antagonist and jinx, which is another marxist talking point.

This is a personal gripe but medradas mother being a muscular woman warlord with an effeminate flamboyant possibly gay butler gets on my nerves a bit.

Those are some of the bits which felt very very woke to me personally. The show seems to do the boondocks thing where through framing and implications it's Marxist but doesn't seem to be on a surface level.

 

[patcon guy]

tumblr, because of it being a hybrid between social media and blog. meaning that it's really quick and easy to find people's blog and their content and it's also easy to create your own personalized blog.

it's more than just a blog...

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Dashiell Hammett

Funny you're saying that cause to me both Yojimbo and A fistful of dollars are peak libertarianism.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Depends on the definition of "woke". Most reasonable people understand that "woke" is a new trend in progressivism characterized by a narrow and shallow set of messages and actively centering certain individuals out of a meta sense of priority rather than because it's any way organic to the story.

Unreasonable people tell you things like "Star Trek was always woke." (That is the refrain of morons who fail to understand things like world-building, character progression and nuance; people who can't understand a concept if it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker.)

Consequently, if it's woke, it's simply not good.

If you want an example of a "woke" thing that does the same thing as a "not woke" thing, consider two movies: Black Panther vs. RRR.

Both are action movies about nationalism with larger-than-life non-white heroes in predominantly non-white countries at the center of them that have problems with white people. There's an underlying current of virtue in the heroes, even though they're conflicted. Both also tend to have story notes as subtle as hammers and have large elements that make no damn sense.

The difference?

Black Panther has an undercurrent of, sure this might be entertaining, but if you're not black, this isn't really for you.

RRR's mission statement is to be entertaining and actively wants to give everyone watching it something to enjoy (this is a general trope of Indian cinema, as I understand it), despite the fact that there is a very particular political message associated with it.

 

[Otis Mallebrok]

Triumph des willens

 

[Sugriva]

Ultrakill. Everyone who likes the game is a tranny and/or annoying faggot, with maybe a handful of exceptions, but if you isolate the game from all of that it's pretty fun.

This but with Pizza Tower. The actual game has no wokeness in it, but there's a weird cult of trannies and freaks surrounding it, and that turns a lot of people off.

I just want to vidya for pete's sake.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

This but with Pizza Tower. The actual game has no wokeness in it, but there's a weird cult of trannies and freaks surrounding it, and that turns a lot of people off.

I forgot about it, best game of 23 for me but unfortunately one of the devs is a tranny and the game does have a gay tranny cult round it. In fact its quite funny cause in the sewer level the penny pinchers oddly seem to resemble goblins with victorian possibly business like attire. Idk wtf prompted these woke devs to put "jewish" people in the sewer level of their game.

 

[Betonhaus]

I watched Q-Force. It was moderately entertaining... although there were numerous places where I found myself gritting my teeth and powering through. What was actually more annoying was the incessant Americentrism. I don't mean that it was about American characters set in America; I mean that the whole show just radiated this smug conviction that one day, all countries around the globe will see the light and unite and become USA 2.0, and absorb the entirety of American culture and become good little (woke, queer) American copies.

That's one of the worst qualities of wokism, imho; the conviction that America is the pinnacle of the world even as they scream about how racist it is.

I generally rewatch things I like numerous times, but while I didn't mind a lot of Q-Force, I won't watch it again. The uwu autistic gender queer goth computer nerd falling in totally true valid wuve with a fucking AI was just too much. The whole show was meant to be yes, a parody, but that bit wasn't.

Oh you reminded me of Superdrags, which admittedly was entertaining and sufficiently self-depreceating. Was made in brazil which would explain the tact.

 

[Dojima's Dragon]

I forgot about it, best game of 23 for me but unfortunately one of the devs is a tranny and the game does have a gay tranny cult round it. In fact its quite funny cause in the sewer level the penny pinchers oddly seem to resemble goblins with victorian possibly business like attire. Idk wtf prompted these woke devs to put "jewish" people in the sewer level of their game.

Isnt the whole dev being a tranny thing was spread by some /v/ autist who was screaming in every board that the dev was a tranny.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Isnt the whole dev being a tranny thing was spread by some /v/ autist who was screaming in every board that the dev was a tranny.

I was sittin on the discord for a while, sertifdev is a they them or a he they or whatever the fuck, had a Tumblr art/picrew woman pfp for a while. McPig seems fine from what I know. Also sertifdev retweets bunch of tranny commie shit on twitter, especially one fan sperging out about a headcanon of peppino being a trans man and trans men can run super fast while trans women can jump from celeste.

Edit: Found the tweet, also says peppino is pooner goals cause of anxiety, trauma and PTSD. Lmao.

https://twitter.com/RangarlAmami/status/1622497011575439361?cxt=HHwWgoCygfGbooQtAAAA

 

[glass_houses]

Oh you reminded me of Superdrags, which admittedly was entertaining and sufficiently self-depreceating. Was made in brazil which would explain the tact.View attachment 5142629

I just finished this and it was pretty decent. Tongue appropriately in cheek, the way drag is supposed to be. I very much appreciated that they made it clear that the show is for adults, too. I doubt that it was a co-incidence that the most effeminate character was also the most manly in appearance and into anime, however.

 

[blacksun]

..Orange is the new black. The first season, anyway. I usually hate goyslop shit but it is a bit humorous. I like the Christian character.

 

[crypto normie]

The majority of mainstream entertainment is arguably woke in some respect or another, although the term is both nebulous and specific at the same time. With that being said, I do like my "prestige" TV:

1. ASOIAF/Game of Thrones (stop at the end of season 4): literally a medieval fantasy series written by a male feminist. Most if not all the men are sexist in some form of fashion, whether that be directly antagonistic or in the way of coddling/infantilizing women. Doesn't change the fact the characters are strongly written and very compelling.
2. House of Cards (stop at the end of season 4, again): Netflix's first commissioned show. Shows the dark underbelly of congressional politics through a borderline empty sociopath and his slightly less empty wife. "Woke" things included here would probably be Frank Underwood's repressed bisexuality and Claire not being punished for all the shit she pulls before her eventual takeover in season 6. Ultimately though I think any kiwi reading this would agree with ~95% of the way this show is portrayed: career politicians are cold, slimy monsters that exist only to pursue and maintain power.
3. Utopia (UK version): the plot literally reads like a COVID conspiracy ~7 years before the virus hit. It's a mystery series so I won't go into too much detail, but the cast is diverse and credence is leant to some pretty hard opinions that a lot of people (myself included) are going to disagree with.

 

[ShiftyBoi]

Oh you reminded me of Superdrags, which admittedly was entertaining and sufficiently self-depreceating. Was made in brazil which would explain the tact.View attachment 5142629

Speaking of drag I actually enjoy The Boulet Brothers Dragula on Shudder. It is probably the one drag reality show I will ever like because it's got a horror slant to it. The usual weird shit about drag that would turn me away actually really works here, because being depraved and shocking works in a horror context.

Not to mention, it is entertaining figuring out which of the contestants is there because they are actually talented, and which ones are there for the purpose of drama and "tea". Watching the competent and talented craftsman wipe the floor with the annoying ones who can't make good or creative costumes is satisfying.

It is not free from the usual trappings though, all the drama is fake as fuck, even by reality standards, some of the costumes that incorporate sexual elements can be really fucking gross, and sometimes contestants will outlast better ones because of gay petty bullshit reasons that have no merit.

Good show if you don't mind drag.

 

[glass_houses]

Speaking of drag I actually enjoy The Boulet Brothers Dragula on Shudder. It is probably the one drag reality show I will ever like because it's got a horror slant to it. The usual weird shit about drag that would turn me away actually really works here, because being depraved and shocking works in a horror context.

Not to mention, it is entertaining figuring out which of the contestants is there because they are actually talented, and which ones are there for the purpose of drama and "tea". Watching the competent and talented craftsman wipe the floor with the annoying ones who can't make good or creative costumes is satisfying.

It is not free from the usual trappings though, all the drama is fake as fuck, even by reality standards, some of the costumes that incorporate sexual elements can be really fucking gross, and sometimes contestants will outlast better ones because of gay petty bullshit reasons that have no merit.

Good show if you don't mind drag.

Here's the thing: drag is a form of theatre. Like all forms of theatre, it appeals or doesn't appeal to you depending on your personal taste or beliefs. Personally I'm not fond of it because it's just not my thing. But I can appreciate that it's its own genre, with its own history and community, and that a lot of drag artists really work at it.

The only reason normies are up in arms about drag is because it isn't appropriate for children to either be watching it or participating in it. When drag is being performed in appropriate venues, even most of the hardcore God botherers aren't going to get all that upset about it.

If drag's your thing, carry on... so long as the venue is 18+ only.

 

[Betonhaus]

did The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert get brought up yet?

 

[Nut-Roaster the 2nd]

Good Omens, mainly because of some of the tumblr fanart.
Some of it's cute, and I've got a twisted sense of what's cute.