Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Appeal to authority fallacy

No, it's called "not being an arrogant dipshit and thinking I know more about a subject than people who study it for a living".

 

[Realistic Elephant]

No, it's called "not being an arrogant dipshit and thinking I know more about a subject than people who study it for a living".

So the appeal to authority fallacy again, got it.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You guys are the ones spreading it everywhere. We've been repeatedly lied to about overflowing hospitals and vaccination rates, and why there have been 4 dead soccer players in the past week thanks to climate change. Why should we believe this, especially when the CDC decided hospitals didn't need to test people who said they were vaccinated? You guys are overwhelming ERs in Vermont because you're so scared of asymptomatic Omicron variant cases.

Cases magical popped up during flu season, after suddenly dropping when masses of people were out in the streets, and even getting violent? Amazing. Oddly enough, the most compliant places on earth are being hit the hardest now--some southern boys in the US made them sick, I suppose.

Yes, a vaccine that's effective for a couple weeks with high rates of negative side effects that's failing to prevent cases in the most vaccinated place has failed. Not sure what other explanation there is.

Lol that you think they're lying about overflowing hospitals and vaccination rates. You do know that hospitals really are and were overflowing, right? Just because Alex Jones said that they weren't doesn't' mean they weren't. Stop believing boomer FB memes.

You do know cases are reported up when they go up, right? People spend more time indoors in the winter, which leads to more spread. It's the same for flu and other viruses, like the cold. Again, I know you're an uneducated simpleton but it's not a hard concept. Or are you denying germ theory?

The vaccine is pretty effective for far higher than a few weeks or all the people dying wouldn't be unvaccinated boomer tards like you. Also, what are these "high rates of negative side effects" and a source for them? Come on, you still haven't produced these dead bodies you keep insisting should be there. Instead of admitting that you were lied to by boomer FB memes, you just double down and refuse to show me these dead bodies. There should be tens of millions of them, so you should easily be able to find a source. And yes, I know you've admitted to being inept at mathematics, but I've shown you the math and it's something a 2nd grader could follow.

Seeing as I've dated college-age women well past that point, I'd say you're wrong there. Stop crying because you have to settle for grandmas and fatties

You admitted you're into children, dude. You're fucked in the head.

Dude, you're so MATI it's not funny anymore. You also worship authority-- the idea they can be questioned upsets you like questioning a cultists prophets.

You're the one tardraging and sperging about ridiculous conspiracy theories that no one with an IQ above room temperature would be stupid enough to believe.

So the appeal to authority fallacy again, got it.

If you weren't an uneducated retard you'd know that appeal to authority fallacy doesn't apply when it involves actual fact. Sorry that you're an uneducated tard that thinks they know more about a virus than doctors and scientists. It must be nice to be that ignorant and narcissistic. Otherwise you'd literally be saying every scientist everywhere is "appealing to authority" fallacy. Instead it's spouted by uneducated simpletons like you who take pride in hating education and science and use it to claim that your uneducated opinion is as valid as scientists on the subject they study for a living

 

[Nobue]

Lol that you think they're lying about overflowing hospitals and vaccination rates. You do know that hospitals really are and were overflowing, right? Just because Alex Jones said that they weren't doesn't' mean they weren't. Stop believing boomer FB memes.

You do know cases are reported up when they go up, right? People spend more time indoors in the winter, which leads to more spread. It's the same for flu and other viruses, like the cold. Again, I know you're an uneducated simpleton but it's not a hard concept. Or are you denying germ theory?

The vaccine is pretty effective for far higher than a few weeks or all the people dying wouldn't be unvaccinated boomer tards like you. Also, what are these "high rates of negative side effects" and a source for them? Come on, you still haven't produced these dead bodies you keep insisting should be there. Instead of admitting that you were lied to by boomer FB memes, you just double down and refuse to show me these dead bodies. There should be tens of millions of them, so you should easily be able to find a source. And yes, I know you've admitted to being inept at mathematics, but I've shown you the math and it's something a 2nd grader could follow.


You admitted you're into children, dude. You're fucked in the head.

You're the one tardraging and sperging about ridiculous conspiracy theories that no one with an IQ above room temperature would be stupid enough to believe.


If you weren't an uneducated retard you'd know that appeal to authority fallacy doesn't apply when it involves actual fact. Sorry that you're an uneducated tard that thinks they know more about a virus than doctors and scientists. It must be nice to be that ignorant and narcissistic.

Dude, there were like 4 big cities with hospitals overflowing last year, but it was presented as a national problem.

Cases go up and down as is convenient, and the flu disappears when it's convenient, too! Oddly enough, COVID tests have trouble telling different coronaviruses apart. Surely that means nothing.

We have reasons to doubt what the authorities the government and the media keep pushing, especially when the ones they ignore or smear suggested things like accepting COVID is here to stay and accepting we'll get sick for a while. Mindlessly appealing to authority when those authorities can't get it right is dumb.

Dude, what would make you say a vaccine was ineffective?

 

[Realistic Elephant]

If you weren't an uneducated retard you'd know that appeal to authority fallacy doesn't apply when it involves actual fact. Sorry that you're an uneducated tard that thinks they know more about a virus than doctors and scientists. It must be nice to be that ignorant and narcissistic. Otherwise you'd literally be saying every scientist everywhere is "appealing to authority" fallacy. Instead it's spouted by uneducated simpletons like you who take pride in hating education and science and use it to claim that your uneducated opinion is as valid as scientists on the subject they study for a living

It fits perfectly because you obviously have not done any research or critical thinking of your own and just swallow whatever press releases from the "science" make you feel better.

Also what facts are you referring to? Certainly not that the vaccines are harmless I hope!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Dude, there were like 4 big cities with hospitals overflowing last year, but it was presented as a national problem.

It's more than that, dude. It's happening all over and redneck cities like the one you live in are full and sending your fellow anti-vax boomers to the hospitals in cities where people are actually not retarded enough to think they know more about this than doctors and are vaccinated.

Cases go up and down as is convenient, and the flu disappears when it's convenient, too! Oddly enough, COVID tests have trouble telling different coronaviruses apart. Surely that means nothing.

I know when one is an uneducated simpleton like you who also has crippling autism which has made them impressionable it's hard to believe things that aren't spouted by Alex Jones, but you do know than the measures to slow the spread of covid also work on the flu, right? That also would apply to border closing, etc... I am sure that you also think the flu season is all a conspiracy by BIG PHARMA since that's what you read on Facebook in a boomer meme.

We have reasons to doubt what the authorities the government and the media keep pushing, especially when the ones they ignore or smear suggested things like accepting COVID is here to stay and accepting we'll get sick for a while. Mindlessly appealing to authority when those authorities can't get it right is dumb.

Again, I know you have no idea how science works since you're uneducated and think you know more than scientists, but you do know that as new data comes in, things change, right? Oh, wait, you don't. Also, the government wants its citizens healthy. That leads to a stronger society. Again, I know you're an impressionable spaz with the mindset of a boomer who believes everything Fox News tells you, but there isn't some huge conspiracy here involving tens of millions of people.

Dude, what would make you say a vaccine was ineffective?

That it's not preventing illness and death, which is what the covid vaccine does (that is, it prevents illness and death). I know you have crippling autism so your feeble brain can't handle things that aren't 100% or 0%, so you say anything that isn't 100% is automatically 0%, but some of us have actual functioning brains and can. Scientists and doctors know a lot more about this than your uneducated trailer park ass does.

It's cute how you're tardraging about boosters, when there is a total of 1 booster right now. The polio vaccine requires 4 boosters and polio is less lethal than covid. I know you're an uneducated simpleton who claims to know more than doctors and scientists about a virus, but why aren't you tardraging about that?

It fits perfectly because you obviously have not done any research or critical thinking of your own and just swallow whatever press releases from the "science" make you feel better.

Also what facts are you referring to? Certainly not that the vaccines are harmless I hope!

Except it doesn't fit perfectly. Anti-vax tards like you say "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!!!" because you are arrogant enough to think you know more about a virus than doctors and scientists. What makes your uneducated, simpleton self is more qualified about this than doctors and scientists?

The vaccines are harmful? Okay, then... billions of people have taken them, so there should be tens of millions of dead people. Where are they? Should be easy for you since you're claiming it's super duper dangerous and anyone who doubts that is "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" fallacy like a good autistic boomer

Also why are you 2021 join dates always such spazes? I thought 2020 join dates were retards, but you guys push it to a whole new level

 

[P.0.0.P]

VIOLATE MY RIGHTS DADDY GOVERNMENT.

No. I dont use masks, I havent put myself any poison and havent been taking part of this bullshit agenda. Im still hugging, kissing and socializing with people and im way healthier than all of you niggas. Get a life. I dont need any Gestapo separating me from my family and rights. lol

 

[Realistic Elephant]

Except it doesn't fit perfectly. Anti-vax tards like you say "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!!!" because you are arrogant enough to think you know more about a virus than doctors and scientists. What makes your uneducated, simpleton self is more qualified about this than doctors and scientists?

The vaccines are harmful? Okay, then... billions of people have taken them, so there should be tens of millions of dead people. Where are they? Should be easy for you since you're claiming it's super duper dangerous and anyone who doubts that is "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY" fallacy like a good autistic boomer

Also why are you 2021 join dates always such spazes? I thought 2020 join dates were retards, but you guys push it to a whole new level

Again, the appeal to authority fallacy. You can't refute anything I'm saying so you just fall back on it again! Speaking of doctors and scientists, remember the ones from Perdue Pharma and the FDA who said oxycodone had low risk of addiction and potential for abuse despite knowing the exact opposite was true? Or how about the ones from Pfizer who committed and then covered up illegal and highly unethical human experimentation on children in Nigeria? Or the ones responsible for the Seroquel clinical trials whose negligence led to a horrific and preventable suicide?

And your second point is just putting words in my mouth. Never said that, never established it as a criteria. These vaccines have real health risks that need to be openly presented and discussed.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Have you, yes you, realised that nobody is listening to you? It's because you admitted wanting to have sex with teenagers, so do us all a favour and throw yourself off the tallest building.

No! No! No! It is you who are wrong! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Again, the appeal to authority fallacy. You can't refute anything I'm saying so you just fall back on it again! Speaking of doctors and scientists, remember the ones from Perdue Pharma and the FDA who said oxycodone had low risk of addiction and potential for abuse despite knowing the exact opposite was true? Or how about the ones from Pfizer who committed and then covered up illegal and highly unethical human experimentation on children in Nigeria? Or the ones responsible for the Seroquel clinical trials whose negligence led to a horrific and preventable suicide?

And your second point is just putting words in my mouth. Never said that, never established it as a criteria. These vaccines have real health risks that need to be openly presented and discussed.

Again, that doesn't apply to things like science. You just are a good little GOP simping boomer so you were told to hate scientists, doctors and education by Fox News and Newsmax, so you hide behind "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!" like a good little GOP simp.

You're literally saying "trusting experts is appeal to authority fallacy, so listen to my uneducated spaztic ass instead". You claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists, so what are your credentials?

And what real health risks? I asked for a source. The odds of a severe adverse reaction from the vaccine is like 10000 times more likely from covid itself than from the vaccine. I know you uneducated simpletons suck at risk assessment, but it's not a hard concept. Where are these dead bodies?

 

[Vince McMahon]

Again, the appeal to authority fallacy. You can't refute anything I'm saying so you just fall back on it again!

To be fair, so are you. Your authority just happens to be on the opposing side of Hulk's belief and vice versa.

 

[Nobue]

It's more than that, dude. It's happening all over and redneck cities like the one you live in are full and sending your fellow anti-vax boomers to the hospitals in cities where people are actually not retarded enough to think they know more about this than doctors and are vaccinated.


I know when one is an uneducated simpleton like you who also has crippling autism which has made them impressionable it's hard to believe things that aren't spouted by Alex Jones, but you do know than the measures to slow the spread of covid also work on the flu, right? That also would apply to border closing, etc... I am sure that you also think the flu season is all a conspiracy by BIG PHARMA since that's what you read on Facebook in a boomer meme.


Again, I know you have no idea how science works since you're uneducated and think you know more than scientists, but you do know that as new data comes in, things change, right? Oh, wait, you don't. Also, the government wants its citizens healthy. That leads to a stronger society. Again, I know you're an impressionable spaz with the mindset of a boomer who believes everything Fox News tells you, but there isn't some huge conspiracy here involving tens of millions of people.

That it's not preventing illness and death, which is what the covid vaccine does (that is, it prevents illness and death). I know you have crippling autism so your feeble brain can't handle things that aren't 100% or 0%, so you say anything that isn't 100% is automatically 0%, but some of us have actual functioning brains and can. Scientists and doctors know a lot more about this than your uneducated trailer park ass does.

It's cute how you're tardraging about boosters, when there is a total of 1 booster right now. The polio vaccine requires 4 boosters and polio is less lethal than covid. I know you're an uneducated simpleton who claims to know more than doctors and scientists about a virus, but why aren't you tardraging about that?

Sure, we'll believe everyone's overwhelmed when capacities are much higher than usual. Just like last year.

Things that change whenever it's convenient usually are bullshit. Remember how we had 20 years of studies saying masks did little if anything out in the wild, and suddenly the New Science suddenly discovered otherwise?

The Chinese government lets companies sell fake food full of chemicals, build apartments that regularly collapse, and lets them work people to the point they commit mass suicide on the job. Governments only care about power, not the wellbeing of their people.


Dude, it's clearly not preventing illness if the most vaccinated places are the sickest. Why should I believe it makes illness less severe when it was never severe in most people?

 

[Vince McMahon]

You just keep coping, don't you. Why can't you just eject yourself from the discussion? Because of your mere presence the discussion is tainted. Imagine that you made a trashfire thread worse. Do you feel proud of yourself?

 

[Ashkechu]

The fact that most of the people shilling the jab here have Wrestlemania profiles is not a coincidence.
They're old, unhealthy boomers, and they're afraid.
Afraid their poor life choices are finally going to catch up to them.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

Again, that doesn't apply to things like science. You just are a good little GOP simping boomer so you were told to hate scientists, doctors and education by Fox News and Newsmax, so you hide behind "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!" like a good little GOP simp.

You're literally saying "trusting experts is appeal to authority fallacy, so listen to my uneducated spaztic ass instead". You claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists, so what are your credentials?

And what real health risks? I asked for a source. The odds of a severe adverse reaction from the vaccine is like 10000 times more likely from covid itself than from the vaccine. I know you uneducated simpletons suck at risk assessment, but it's not a hard concept. Where are these dead bodies?

It's news to me that the appeal to authority fallacy doesn't apply to science given its entire history has involved being subverted by authority. Lysenko was an authority after all, in fact he was so authoritative during Stalin's reign even remotely questioning him led to a bullet in the back of the head despite his entire program being pseudoscientific nonsense. Trusting is different from accepting without question, which is what you are advocating.

And real health risks, I don't know, myocarditis in teenagers? Certainly it's a rare effect but there's no reason to vaccinate teenagers to begin with....COVID is not dangerous to them in the slightest.

Should they be allowed to get the vaccines if they want them? Of course. Should they be encouraged for people who are susceptible to developing severe illness? Of course. Are they generally safe and effective at their primary goal (preventing severe illness/death)? Yes, I think the evidence clearly supports that.

However, what I am talking about and what started all this is the statement the vaccines are "harmless", which is demonstrably false. The anti-vax movement has been the result of unforced errors by the medical and scientific establishment more than anything else.

 

[Nobue]

The fact that most of the people shilling the jab here have Wrestlemania profiles is not a coincidence.
They're old, unhealthy boomers, and they're afraid.
Afraid their poor life choices are finally going to catch up to them.

I suspect they're the same people. Whenever one of them gets mad at me, one of the same 3-4 accounts show up and start rating every post until my most recent one.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

To be fair, so are you. Your authority just happens to be on the opposing side of Hulk's belief and vice versa.

I've never appealed to authority, unless maybe by appealing to myself? I haven't cited "experts" as a basis for anything, but I did bring up a few times when "experts" acted in immoral and dishonest ways, up to outright lying and fabricating data.

This doesn't mean don't listen to them, but you sure as hell shouldn't accept anything at face value without looking at the underlying sources. I'd be more inclined to listen to non-US experts in any case given how corrupted the system is here.

Of course, I am going to say anybody who is looking into critical articles scrutinize the sources even more than "mainstream" ones as they're "alternative" positions.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's news to me that the appeal to authority fallacy doesn't apply to science given its entire history has involved being subverted by authority. Lysenko was an authority after all, in fact he was so authoritative during Stalin's reign even remotely questioning him led to a bullet in the back of the head despite his entire program being pseudoscientific nonsense. Trusting is different from accepting without question, which is what you are advocating.

And real health risks, I don't know, myocarditis in teenagers? Certainly it's a rare effect but there's no reason to vaccinate teenagers to begin with....COVID is not dangerous to them in the slightest.

However, what I am talking about and what started all this is the statement the vaccines are "harmless", which is demonstrably false.

It sure does... otherwise why would we even have scientists? You are literally saying that we shouldn't trust scientists and doctors because "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!" because you're just another uneducated GOP simping spaz on Kiwi Farms.

Wow, you claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists but still don't know that it's important to immunize teenagers too, because of herd immunity. Vaccines help prevent the spread. Teenagers can still spread it to others. Also, myocarditis is 40x more common from covid itself than from the vaccine. Even in teenagers. For an uneducated retard that claims to know more about this than doctors and scientists, you sure are a retard.

Sure, we'll believe everyone's overwhelmed when capacities are much higher than usual. Just like last year.

Things that change whenever it's convenient usually are bullshit. Remember how we had 20 years of studies saying masks did little if anything out in the wild, and suddenly the New Science suddenly discovered otherwise?

The Chinese government lets companies sell fake food full of chemicals, build apartments that regularly collapse, and lets them work people to the point they commit mass suicide on the job. Governments only care about power, not the wellbeing of their people.


Dude, it's clearly not preventing illness if the most vaccinated places are the sickest. Why should I believe it makes illness less severe when it was never severe in most people?

I am not reading all of that schizobabble from a pedophile, but until you show me where these tens of millions of dead people from the vaccine are, you are admitting I am right and admitting you are wrong.

It's cute how you take pride in being uneducated and a simpleton yet you claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists

 

[Realistic Elephant]

It sure does... otherwise why would we even have scientists? You are literally saying that we shouldn't trust scientists and doctors because "APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!" because you're just another uneducated GOP simping spaz on Kiwi Farms.

Wow, you claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists but still don't know that it's important to immunize teenagers too, because of herd immunity. Vaccines help prevent the spread. Teenagers can still spread it to others. Also, myocarditis is 40x more common from covid itself than from the vaccine. Even in teenagers. For an uneducated retard that claims to know more about this than doctors and scientists, you sure are a retard.

I am not reading all of that schizobabble from a pedophile, but until you show me where these tens of millions of dead people from the vaccine are, you are admitting I am right and admitting you are wrong.

It's cute how you take pride in being uneducated and a simpleton yet you claim to know more about this than doctors and scientists

Again, what you are saying is not to trust them, you are saying to accept them without question because they are scientists. Science by its very nature is critical, you're not supposed to accept something just because another scientist or authority in your field says so. You can hopefully trust that another person performed their experiments and documented their conclusions, correctly and accurately but you still need to think critically, poke holes in the theory and question it. Galileo and Bruno might also have some thoughts on this particular issue.

And you are posting seriously outdated information - it is undisputed now that the COVID vaccines don't prevent infection or spread (although IIRC they do still reduce viral load after infection), so achieving herd immunity through vaccination is impossible. Higher vaccination rates do reduce the incidence of death and hospitalization, which does get you to herd immunity in a less damaging way and is a reason why they should be encouraged. Even if in theory we were able to vaccinate the entire world in the short span when the earliest strains were circulating, you'd still end up failing to achieve herd immunity through vaccination because this virus is endemic and evolving independently in animal populations.

I have not seen any evidence that myocarditis is 40x more common with COVID than vaccination. This is a legitimate concern which is why it is being investigated to determine if there is a causal relationship.

 

[Realistic Elephant]

He keeps finding numbers, like 99%, 40x, and now 10000 to make what he's claiming seem more severe, or like everyone disagrees with you, so you should give in to the crowd.

He literally doesn't know what to do (or even think) unless an authority figure or the crowd tells him what he should.

To be fair to Hulk, there have been plenty of individuals using myocarditis for disinformation purposes and to discredit the vaccines in general rather than focusing on the specific circumstances in which there is a concern.