Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution

[Spud]

You just jynxed yourself RIP

It's okay, I knocked on some wood to keep him safe

 

[Duke Nukem]

You just jynxed yourself RIP

I know people who got at least one booster and they still got corona. You can feel however you want about vaccines or lockdowns or whatever but honestly it's difficult to see this deal as anything but a free giveaway to Big Pharma. Someone's gotta pay for it after all.

Uncritical following is just as bad as baseless conspiracy theories, seriously why is it hard to strike a balance?

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I know people who got at least one booster and they still got corona. You can feel however you want about vaccines or lockdowns or whatever but honestly it's difficult to see this deal as anything but a free giveaway to Big Pharma. Someone's gotta pay for it after all.

Uncritical following is just as bad as baseless conspiracy theories, seriously why is it hard to strike a balance?

people who get flu shots sometimes still get the flu we have police sometimes there is still crime prevention is never 100%

 

[Duke Nukem]

people who get flu shots sometimes still get the flu we have police sometimes there is still crime prevention is never 100%

It's not the fact that people still get it, it's the idiots that treat any one thing as the "one size fits all" deal to their problems. For Christ's sake we have that shitty Colbert show doing what's basically drug advertising, when you should be watchdogging corporations not lapdogging them.

That being said, I don't agree with the state trying to butt into people's medical decisions. It's just a bad idea for a number of reasons.

And one more thing, police don't do anything about crime anyway, they might arrest you for daring to protect your family against a bunch of crackheads or something but that's a different topic entirely.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Did you even read the documents yourself or is that just another of your canned copy/paste replies?

Did you even read them or did you let some schizo blog tell you what they said? And even if you did read them, does your simpleton brain know enough about medicine to understand them? I am guessing not

 

[Sithis]

Did you even read them or did you let some schizo blog tell you what they said? And even if you did read them, does your simpleton brain know enough about medicine to understand them? I am guessing not

Thanks for confirming you didn't even bother reading and just copy/pasted your typical responses lol
While yes I actually do have the background necessary to understand medical terminology, especially such laughably simple terms as "myocarditis" etc, you don't need medical knowledge to understand what happened or what the article is even about.
The CDC facilitates the use of the VAERS and v-safe systems which allow organic data to be collected about vaccine related injuries. Problem is that despite symptoms such as myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, and other severe medical complications being part of the established protocol for the vax adverse symptoms, these symptoms were not selectable choices on the patient filled post vax surveys that make up the v-safe and VAERS data. The only way for people who had suffered these complications to report them was to use an "Other" box which was limited to just enough characters to make a tweet.





Many, many retards such as yourself, as well as a lot of those fancy medical folk in white coats you worship so much, have been using VAERS and v-safe self reported patient data as a primary source to hand wave and say "see, nothing to see here!" ever since the vax released, but for over a year and a half patients weren't even able to accurately report any issues they had experienced.

Coupled with the additional data we now have regarding how many patients experienced adverse reactions requiring medical attention beyond a simple visit (up to 25% of reports were ICU or emergency hospital stays within some populations) that kinda flies right in the face of all these claims of "100% safe and effective and makes your dick bigger, too!" you pharma simps have been making.

Even trying to be generous with them and give them the benefit of the doubt, this oversight skews every bit of data the CDC has been pushing out regarding vaccine safety, as further data points illustrate that huge proportions of the self reports were filed within the first few months of vaccine availability, aka when there was no mention of myocarditis, stroke risk, pericarditis, seizures or several other severe medical complications listed on the patient end of v-safe. Only people who could view the actual protocol for the system were able to see those symptoms as being linked, and that was confirmed by the FOIA documents obtained.

There are lots of excel docs etc that go more into detail but I don't feel like posting through several hundred MB of individual data points to explain a concept that even you should be able to get without any medical experience whatsoever.

 

[Pissmaster]

december 2022 still unvaxx'd

 

[Kermit Jizz]

people who get flu shots sometimes still get the flu we have police sometimes there is still crime prevention is never 100%

That's unironically why I never get the flu shot. I get the flu maybe once every 5 years, which amounts to less than a day worth of flu on average each year. If I got the flu shot every year I'd actually spend more days of my life feeling shitty than just dealing with the flu. So far, same has applied for rona.

 

[AnOminous]

That's unironically why I never get the flu shot. I get the flu maybe once every 5 years, which amounts to less than a day worth of flu on average each year. If I got the flu shot every year I'd actually spend more days of my life feeling shitty than just dealing with the flu. So far, same has applied for rona.

I'd rather pick a day for an annual minor inconvenience than have a week of potential Hong Kong flu level bullshit. I didn't get it one year out of the last 30 or so, because the doctor said they fucked up the formulation that year and didn't have the main strain that was in the area. I didn't get the flu that year either.

I've never had worse than minor fatigue from it and all that's meant is that I got a good night's sleep for a change.

I'd probably get one for this year's apparently really nasty variant of RSV if they had one (technically they do but just for kids).

My most recent other vax was meningitis, which I didn't even really need but couldn't prove I'd had it, that was 10+ years ago.

Probably I should get tetanus again, but whatever, you can get that even after exposure.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Thanks for confirming you didn't even bother reading and just copy/pasted your typical responses lol
While yes I actually do have the background necessary to understand medical terminology, especially such laughably simple terms as "myocarditis" etc, you don't need medical knowledge to understand what happened or what the article is even about.
The CDC facilitates the use of the VAERS and v-safe systems which allow organic data to be collected about vaccine related injuries. Problem is that despite symptoms such as myocarditis, pericarditis, stroke, and other severe medical complications being part of the established protocol for the vax adverse symptoms, these symptoms were not selectable choices on the patient filled post vax surveys that make up the v-safe and VAERS data. The only way for people who had suffered these complications to report them was to use an "Other" box which was limited to just enough characters to make a tweet.

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Many, many retards such as yourself, as well as a lot of those fancy medical folk in white coats you worship so much, have been using VAERS and v-safe self reported patient data as a primary source to hand wave and say "see, nothing to see here!" ever since the vax released, but for over a year and a half patients weren't even able to accurately report any issues they had experienced.

Coupled with the additional data we now have regarding how many patients experienced adverse reactions requiring medical attention beyond a simple visit (up to 25% of reports were ICU or emergency hospital stays within some populations) that kinda flies right in the face of all these claims of "100% safe and effective and makes your dick bigger, too!" you pharma simps have been making.

Even trying to be generous with them and give them the benefit of the doubt, this oversight skews every bit of data the CDC has been pushing out regarding vaccine safety, as further data points illustrate that huge proportions of the self reports were filed within the first few months of vaccine availability, aka when there was no mention of myocarditis, stroke risk, pericarditis, seizures or several other severe medical complications listed on the patient end of v-safe. Only people who could view the actual protocol for the system were able to see those symptoms as being linked, and that was confirmed by the FOIA documents obtained.

There are lots of excel docs etc that go more into detail but I don't feel like posting through several hundred MB of individual data points to explain a concept that even you should be able to get without any medical experience whatsoever.

Sorry, but watching Tucker Carlson and listening to Alex Jones and claiming that makes you qualified to read medical studies is pretty laughable. The fact you and this "study" use VAERS as a source shows how much of an unqualified retard you are, so thank you for that. Anyone can submit adverse data to VAERS. In fact, they checked it out and something like 95% of the adverse reactions to the covid vaccine were coming from a select few IP addresses, which means your fellow anti-vax retards submitted a bunch of adverse effects because Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones told you the vaccine is bad and you're a good little boomer who does whatever Fox News tells him to.

Also, I understand you have admitted to having crippling autism and a sign of having such severe autism is that your diseased brain cannot comprehend things that aren't 100% or 0%, so this is going to be hard for your diseased brain to understand, but here goes: The odds of getting a severe side effect from the vaccine is much. much smaller than it is from getting said side effect from covid itself, especially when unvaccinated. Again, I know you've admitted your crippling autism, but the odds of getting a severe side effect from the vaccine is much smaller than from covid itself.
It's okay, though. It's not your fault. It can't be easy being a senile 75 year old man with crippling autism.

 

[Sithis]

Sorry, but watching Tucker Carlson and listening to Alex Jones and claiming that makes you qualified to read medical studies is pretty laughable. The fact you and this "study" use VAERS as a source shows how much of an unqualified retard you are, so thank you for that. Anyone can submit adverse data to VAERS. In fact, they checked it out and something like 95% of the adverse reactions to the covid vaccine were coming from a select few IP addresses, which means your fellow anti-vax retards submitted a bunch of adverse effects because Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones told you the vaccine is bad and you're a good little boomer who does whatever Fox News tells him to.

Also, I understand you have admitted to having crippling autism and a sign of having such severe autism is that your diseased brain cannot comprehend things that aren't 100% or 0%, so this is going to be hard for your diseased brain to understand, but here goes: The odds of getting a severe side effect from the vaccine is much. much smaller than it is from getting said side effect from covid itself, especially when unvaccinated. Again, I know you've admitted your crippling autism, but the odds of getting a severe side effect from the vaccine is much smaller than from covid itself.
It's okay, though. It's not your fault. It can't be easy being a senile 75 year old man with crippling autism.

Yawn
You've finally done it Hulk. You've truly bored me. You couldn't even be bothered to fix the nuance points of your little response to reflect anything actually specific to this debate beyond some minor ill informed screeching about "muh vax safe" despite being presented links to and a summary of information which quite blatantly shows the contrary.
I can't tell if it's just dismissal based on ego or if you're actually dumb enough to think that court ordered documents obtained via a fucking FOIA request are somehow invalid just because you want to autistically screech about the site that hosts them, but if you had a working brain and an IQ above Forrest Gump you'd be able to see that the documents in question come from the CDC themselves. Meanwhile you can provide no evidence about your "muh IP addresses" claim, nor contribute any rebuttal of this information beyond the same redundant monkey-esque noises you have always managed to conjure up.

Once again idk if this is just your wounded pride being absolutely unable to just say "ya know what yeah you have a point" on here or if you're actually just mind numbingly stupid - this has nothing to do with Tucker Carlson and isn't some vast Republican space laser conspiracy - court documents obtained from the CDC themselves show that the CDC did not even include basic reporting protocols to patients on their own vaccine report tool, and due to the sheer number of people who did report adverse symptoms in the months following vax rollout, this means a lot of people were not able to actually describe what happened to them. And, within the CDCs own spreadsheet files containing VAERs data beyond what is self reported in v-safe, there were large numbers of people who had adverse reactions requiring more than a casual trip to the doctors office (ICU stay or emergency room), without corresponding details about their symptoms from v-safe self reports. It's a glaring data issue that, again, even being generous enough to grant it might have been an oversight, skews the data much more than there should be room for error on a nationwide vaccine rollout that has been mandated to everyone from children to soldiers.

 

[RougeRed]

people who get flu shots sometimes still get the flu we have police sometimes there is still crime prevention is never 100%

Flu vaccines are based on guesswork. They bundle vaccines for the 4 or 5 strains they think are most likely to show up this season, so each season it is more or less effective depending on how accurate the guesses were. At least the mRNA vaccines are tailored to the specific virus (at least until there are as many variants of covid as there are of influenza).

 

[Wormy]

Still waiting to die from the vaccine. What's taking so long?

 

[Montalbane]

Still waiting to die from not vaccinating.
Whats taking so long?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yawn
You've finally done it Hulk. You've truly bored me. You couldn't even be bothered to fix the nuance points of your little response to reflect anything actually specific to this debate beyond some minor ill informed screeching about "muh vax safe" despite being presented links to and a summary of information which quite blatantly shows the contrary.
I can't tell if it's just dismissal based on ego or if you're actually dumb enough to think that court ordered documents obtained via a fucking FOIA request are somehow invalid just because you want to autistically screech about the site that hosts them, but if you had a working brain and an IQ above Forrest Gump you'd be able to see that the documents in question come from the CDC themselves. Meanwhile you can provide no evidence about your "muh IP addresses" claim, nor contribute any rebuttal of this information beyond the same redundant monkey-esque noises you have always managed to conjure up.

Once again idk if this is just your wounded pride being absolutely unable to just say "ya know what yeah you have a point" on here or if you're actually just mind numbingly stupid - this has nothing to do with Tucker Carlson and isn't some vast Republican space laser conspiracy - court documents obtained from the CDC themselves show that the CDC did not even include basic reporting protocols to patients on their own vaccine report tool, and due to the sheer number of people who did report adverse symptoms in the months following vax rollout, this means a lot of people were not able to actually describe what happened to them. And, within the CDCs own spreadsheet files containing VAERs data beyond what is self reported in v-safe, there were large numbers of people who had adverse reactions requiring more than a casual trip to the doctors office (ICU stay or emergency room), without corresponding details about their symptoms from v-safe self reports. It's a glaring data issue that, again, even being generous enough to grant it might have been an oversight, skews the data much more than there should be room for error on a nationwide vaccine rollout that has been mandated to everyone from children to soldiers.

That's a lot of words to say "I am a gullible retard who believes anything schizos on the internet post as long as it agrees with what Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones told my 75 year old senile brain to believe".

I get it, you want to believe the vaccine is super duper dangerous because you're a good little Republican boomer and Republicans hate the vaccine, so you believe, without question, anything bad about the vaccine, including every boomer FB meme and whatever some schizo conspiracy blog tells you.

BTW, I am still waiting to die. You told me I'd be dead by now. I am starting to think people who get their medical knowledge from Tucker Carlson and call Alex Jones the epitome of healthy don't know as much as my doctor does.

 

[Null]

still not getting it

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

Still waiting to die from the vaccine. What's taking so long?

Still waiting for the winter of death promised by your president.

 

[Sithis]

That's a lot of words to say "I am a gullible retard who believes anything schizos on the internet post as long as it agrees with what Tucker Carlson and Alex Jones told my 75 year old senile brain to believe".

I get it, you want to believe the vaccine is super duper dangerous because you're a good little Republican boomer and Republicans hate the vaccine, so you believe, without question, anything bad about the vaccine, including every boomer FB meme and whatever some schizo conspiracy blog tells you.

BTW, I am still waiting to die. You told me I'd be dead by now. I am starting to think people who get their medical knowledge from Tucker Carlson and call Alex Jones the epitome of healthy don't know as much as my doctor does.

Your reliance on the same few lines makes me want to bring the bingo card back. At no point have you ever contributed anything to this or any discussion beyond parroting the same "blah blah Tucker Carlson boo hoo orange man bad ree ree muh doctor ha ha boomer" line lmao you might think you're keeping some gag going but at this point it's a joke in and of itself. And since you seem to be completely incapable of forming sentences outside of that very limited word bank you use, none of the rest of us can tell if it's entirely just your own stupidity or if you're also autistic enough to think it's funny.

There's a reason you're pretty much the only vax simp still in this thread beating your chest over how super duper great big pharma is. As time keeps going, more nasty shit about the jab and the people who conspired to inflict it on the global population before we understood the risks comes to light.

You seem to still not understand basic math or probabilities, else you wouldn't be repeating the tired old "huehuehue but you said I'd be DEAD!"
It comes down to simple math though. Covid at its peak was fatal to less than 2% of people who caught it.
At that time, the emotion laden argument you tards laid out was "it's all to stop transmission!" Then as time went on I tried warning you that it wasn't actually as fool proof with transmission as you'd claimed and even highlighted the Israeli studies showing that boosterama actually decreased immune protection over time. You did the same routine, chortling something about Tucker Carlson boomer Ebil orange man cult. And in the time since, remind me again Hulk, how many big names who made a big deal about getting gigavaxxed have we seen come down with covid even more than once in a few months? Biden, Harris, even Fauci all caught the coof. Many of the most hardcore gigavaxxers still ended up catching it.

Then you and the branch covidians tweaked your message. "Well sure it doesn't stop all transmission! After all, you filthy unvaxxed are making it mutate!" At least it prevents hospitalizations and death!"

Then I explained to you how you were dumb and how actually, in nature, viruses either evolve to be more transmissible/less lethal or more lethal/less transmissible by virtue of simple mechanics, and that the presence of an outside factor such as a vaccine was more likely to spur that mutation. You chortled some more about right wing conspiracy theories and how no doctor in history has ever been compelled to sign off on shit they didn't believe and how everyone but you was big dumb dumb.

And then, covid did what I said it would, and began mutating to become much more transmissible but less lethal. Omnicron and it's followup alphabet of variants were all less lethal but could even more easily infect people, including gigavaxxers. Suddenly the mortality rate went down even further, I haven't checked lately but I'd estimate it's lower than 1% now considering it's been months since I saw all the doomsaying about "our hospitals are overrun!" People are dying where they stand! End of all things!"

But the issues with the vax itself? Those have remained consistent. Even the CDC began to take notice of myocarditis risk and the effects on pregnancies. Multiple studies of just the raw data have shown, as I have generously provided you in the form of documents obtained from the CDC via FOIA, that up to 1/4th of people who took the vax ended up requiring serious medical attention. Thousands dying out of millions who took it might not seem like much to you, but it doesn't take a genius to see why "less than 1% of dying" seems more appealing than "potential ~20% chance of developing a long term medical disorder like stroke, palpitations, seizures or heart blockages." Healthy people were almost never at serious risk from covid, and the jab did little to prevent transmission. Otherwise healthy people die from blood clots and arterial blockages all the fucking time, though.

We've now reached the point in the story where even Washington Post acknowledges that currently, the rates of death for vaxed patients are higher than for unvaxxed. There is virtually no point in kids getting the jab they have consistently been the lowest risk population for covid. There's little point for healthy adults to get it either. Even the retards like you who have whined incessantly about getting it so you can take care of your gam gam or whoever, don't have reason to commit to it, since it has been shown to not do much for transmission.

Will it kill you dead outright? Probably not, for the same reasons covid wouldn't, because you don't have the right combo of underlying risk factors. But a lot of people do have more risk factors for cardiovascular issues than they do for covid itself and you retards pushing the clot shot so hard has killed more of them than catching covid would have.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

@Sithis (it won't let me reply, too many autistic words)

That's a lot of words to just say that your crippling autism has made your 75 year old, senile brain believe everything it reads on the internet.

And no, the rates of deaths are much higher in unvaccinated than vaccinated, despite what Alex Jones told you. In fact, covid deaths among your boomer political party (because of believing Tucker Carlson over actual doctors) has helped Democrats in the midterms.

Want the Hulkster's advice? Turn off the computer and go outside. Leave your alt-right echo chambers now and then.

 

[Sithis]

@Sithis (it won't let me reply, too many autistic words)

That's a lot of words to just say that your crippling autism has made your 75 year old, senile brain believe everything it reads on the internet.

And no, the rates of deaths are much higher in unvaccinated than vaccinated, despite what Alex Jones told you. In fact, covid deaths among your boomer political party (because of believing Tucker Carlson over actual doctors) has helped Democrats in the midterms.

Want the Hulkster's advice? Turn off the computer and go outside. Leave your alt-right echo chambers now and then.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/23/vaccinated-people-now-make-up-majority-covid-deaths/

Ah yes, Washington Post, famed den of Alex Jones types and reputed news source of the alt-right