Argue with vatniks over trains

[Male Idiot]

Okey this gave me my retarded master plan for Eastern Europe to dominate the world!

You promise Győzike all the zebras from the zoos and the Voivod of Gypsydom all the BMWs he can break into.

You have them gather a million of their bruddas. You send 100 thousand each to Paris, Berlin and London by train, legally and without weapons as EU citizens.

You put 700 thousand on contai er ships and teach them to yell arriba, while China ships them to the Mexican border. Tell them they got to go to Washington DC for that's the only place copper can be redeemed.


Now you wait ten years, and watch as each capital is demolished in a way bo dumb niggers can. The Big Ben is stolen brick by brick, the phone in the White House doesn't work anymore, the Eiffel tower has been sent to the recycling plant.

You just wait until all phone lones, power lines and 5g towers are looted, than roll out your vodka powered slavs to take over!

You just have to somehow teach gypsies not to steal the train's parts until it gets them to the target... whivh won't be easy.

 

[Moths]

Ah finally an autism-free thread on this website

 

[AgendaPoster]

Lenin saw that the final confrontation would be against the forces of Islam, so hopefully Putin is similar.

That's a Jewish fantasy.
There won't be a "final confrontation" against the second largest religion.
There are no "forces of Islam", the whole thing is split in two main groups that hate each other and dozens of irrelevant spergy cults.
There is no final anything involving hundreds of millions of people. Also Putin is far friendlier towards Chechens than he is towards NATO and the West.

 

[Doctor Love]

That's a Jewish fantasy.
There won't be a "final confrontation" against the second largest religion.
There are no "forces of Islam", the whole thing is split in two main groups that hate each other and dozens of irrelevant spergy cults.
There is no final anything involving hundreds of millions of people. Also Putin is far friendlier towards Chechens than he is towards NATO and the West.

bruh

 

[Doctor Love]

I'd read this if it was fiction ngl

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1854890/putin-russia-latest-economy-europe

Does Putin get a triangle, too?

 

[Cedric_Eff]

I love trains.

My favorite train is the Type 0 Shinkansen and the Keikyu 2100 series (With Siemens’s GTO-VVVF)

 

[Doctor Love]

You just have to somehow teach gypsies not to steal the train's parts until it gets them to the target... whivh won't be easy.

The irony here is that your joke is genuinely a better strategy than most of the speculations in either main thread.

Yes, deporting all the gypsies via propaganda or force and assisting them into the opposing territory would actually work rather well. It's literally the source of gypsies in the first place (and Hungarians) - the Mongols or some shit forced them westward with the explicit intent of causing havoc outside of their own borders.

 

[Doctor Love]

"There really are no analogues to such methods of defense"


I am once again banished from the threads. Although I write extensively about Americans preferring big, black cock to real history, this is a real example of where the American mentality poisons the well.

They have a thirty year delay, a population 1/5th that of NATO, a clearly hostile organisation which is eager to gut Russia for cash. Russia can't beat the West if it plays by Western rules. They have been watching how "we" behave for the last 30 years, though, and clearly have a good idea of what the weaknesses are.

They only have a thorough understanding of themselves, and of their enemy - which is something the USA straight-up lacks.

Russia can't win an air battle - so it brings in SAMs and drags the battle to the ground.

Russian tanks can't directly beat American tanks - so it poisons the environment, stops the American tanks from advancing. As of now, not a single American tank has been lost in Ukraine. Because they've been fucking unusable.

Russians can't use American systems for trade - so they buy direct from China/NK and produce what they can domestically.

Russia can't get the same anti-armour gear, so they invest in a fleet of suicide drones.

None of Russia's plans here are drawn by politicians or businessmen - they are built around "What do we have, and how can we use it to win" while the American narrative is that war is a business, full of professional, qualified people. America is innovatively stagnant in this, and most, fields.

Trains are similar - if Russia was able to, they'd have a gigantic navy which can transport whatever they need to. But they can't. So the train will suffice.

But why invade? Why would Russia be so aggressive?

Russia isn't being aggressive, at all. This is the reality - hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers have died, and there's hundreds of thousands of NAFO Larpers, oligarchs and media personalities who disgracefully, openly take the piss. Your governments have given them those weapons, and Russia has openly stated that they are fighting against the entirety of NATO. You're not a separate entity unless you can decisively change the outcome. Fortunately, it looks like most of Europe can smell what's burning - they know America's not going to do shit and that any future for Europe must involve peace with a more powerful, independent Russia (which has some involvement within internal politics)

They lay the blame squarely at the feet of the USA, and they know full-well that their biggest historical enemy was big, black cock - they are likely going to call the American bluff, and ignore American demands entirely.


During his interview with Carlson, Putin says "We would only invade Poland if they attacked Russian soldiers" then followed immediately with "Polish mercenaries attacked our soldiers" and a lot of references to Poland's past, and current, historical claims and "aggression" towards the USSR. America has, once again, fucked the Germans over. So Poland is the target, and the trains would be geared towards them. Once they cross into Polish territory, the Poles would have no earthly fucking idea how to respond. Because Russia's entire policy depends on doing whatever it can to win, while America does whatever it can to profit.

Thanks to American failures, if Poland was dumped into the frying pan, most of Europe would negotiate on the spot. America has lost the trust of most European countries - even the UK seems to reconsider its position with the USA.

Strictly hypothetical, but the long ass supply train in Ukraine only shows that the Russians do consider trains as a legitimate military tool, rather than as a gimmick. This is unsurprising, since we follow American doctrine (and the most famous American weapon systems, generally, copy the Germans and their productions. Ballistic missiles, the A10 Warthog, the Assault Rifle, small unit tactics with a mobile machine-gunner, handheld anti-tank weaponry, etc

Russia isn't a "threat" so much as "a country which has tolerated the intolerable for far too long" - if anything, a lack of invasion would only speak highly of the moral character of Russia. They have every possible reason to want to kill as much of Europe as possible, and they should be considered as Saints if they don't.

 

[LeChampion1992]

I wanted this thread to be about trains. Instead I'm seeing angry Vatniks and Ukies argue how the other is a fucking ork.
That being said I wanted to talk and spergs about military trains and well I love our trains and I love how Uncle Sam calls Union Pacific, BNSF, CSX to get its shit done. We might fail on passenger rail but it was always an afterthought to the American mind. Freight rail is where it is at and derailments aside trains rule America and are cooler looking than euro or Russian trains.

 

[Doctor Love]

Freight rail is where it is at and derailments aside trains rule America and are cooler looking than euro or Russian trains.

I don't believe you.



As you can see, the armoured box with the guns and the "Zs" liberally applied to the surface are aesthetically superior.

 

[Doctor Love]

I logged in for first time in months just to tell you how fucking retarded you are. Lets just drive trains into europe! Our trains have a completely different gauge by design, but lets do it!

Do you have any further input, with the Tsar Train's appearance?

 

[Doctor Love]

Well I was wrong about the trains!

Spoiler: it's even worse than I imagined

Russia not only has four armoured trains in service within Ukraine, it has switched over to the EU's standards, has thousands of carriages (upwards of 100 units from the now-defunct Berlin-Moscow line alone) in storage due to sanctions, and despite being cut off from the entire world, the companies which should have gone bankrupt found a "Buyer" for their enormous quantities of locomotives and train carriages.

Which I am going to assume is the thirty-thousand strong Russian Railway Troops.



Here they are, with a portable railway construction crew that can extend and repair railways in combat. Russia has a specialised army, larger than a lot of NATO's armies, dedicated specifically to fighting on, and around railways. The mysterious "Tsar Train" seems to be part of this - allegedly, Russia's plan is to build a direct rail route to Crimea and to keep these armoured trains, with advanced radar and shit on-board, able to move fluidly from Russia proper to the Peninsula and Novorossiya area.

https://en.defence-ua.com/analysis/in_2024_russian_federation_wants_to_build_a_500_km_military_railway_to_become_the_number_1_goal_for_ukraines_troops-8975.html

Ukraine has decided that it's a target, but the current "projected rate" by Ukraine is a good 10km per week of fresh rail track being laid by Russia. The behemoth coming from Russia itself may well contain the pre-fabricated parts for this - and may be designed for this task.

In 2024, Russia has evidently overtaken China and is now the #1 worldwide for mass/km and #3 worldwide for total passengers transported by railway. That's around 1/3rd of all rail freight and around three times the total for the Suez Canal.

Those carriages I mentioned - those ones are what are being used on the four armoured trains active in Ukraine. They seem to be adjustable gauge - meaning they can be easily switched between Russian and European standards, even while moving at high-speeds.

Putin and Kim Jong Un both use rails as their private transport method, because they can park an entire armoured fleet on-board and move without being tracked by radar. So you would have to somehow spy on the entirety of Russia, against all countermeasures, and accurately report what is coming your way.

And they are fast - 200-250km/h, for passenger trains. They can carry trucks, tanks, supplies and whatever else - and despite there being a 30km train now trundling through Ukraine, it appears that the entire Western world depends on satellites and guesswork to figure out what it is.

Putin's own private railways and locomotives aside, there's a massive number of post-sanction, incomplete orders which have vanished somewhere inside Russia. Russia is a top-3 producer for railcars and locomotives, and likely #1 now. Some seem to have ended up in China, but the companies which built them have remained afloat (and even expanded) during the war.

Russia no longer has to bother with a warmwater port - its rail network is now similar, in terms of tonnage, to a decent-sized navy. Infact, maths-wise, the railway troops are a logistical branch of the Russian Army which seems to serve a similar purpose - the deployed armoured trains alone seem to have a complement of 5000 troops, weigh a few thousand tonnes each - they're an interesting little piece of military tech.

Their newer Armoured Trains now have advanced roles, they have UAVs, construction, mobile-command, SAM batteries - Russia has been, evidently, putting an entire fortress on rails. There are some "projects" which include sci-fi shit, like nuclear reactors which can be rapidly deployed - this should be absolutely terrifying to the Americans, who no longer have a logistical advantage in Europe. In total, Russia has over a million railway carts, tens of thousands of locomotives and no shortage of materiel to put on them.

In short, Russia has now become the dominant train-navy power in the world. They have built a fucking gigantic army of railway troops, and seem to be planning on using rail rather than road to integrate Novorossiya into Russia proper.

Well, it's hard to say if Europe is at risk, but yes, Russia has thirty thousand railway troops, a million railcars, has built those railcars with adjustable gauges and has built multiple, specialised rail cars. Instead of investing in a navy, Russia has built an entire navy in-land with, now, trillions of tonnes of capacity (1/3rd of all railway transport, by mass, is now within Russia) and can, apparently, pull off some fuckin D-Day shit while building an entire railway line, mid-combat.

They can do this. Speculate if they will but they do have this capacity.

 

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[Doctor Love]

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Spoiler: Brief History

I have learned that Russian railway troops have been doing their "rapid deployment" shit for years so despite being ostensibly a shitpost, this is more likely than not. The Ukrainians are really confused by the train.

This is not a Ukrainian opinion. Other than loving big, black cock, Americans are deeply unsettled by trains. Other than internal freight, they regularly fail to see the appeal and often consider them as outdated, unfashionable and a strategically insignificant tool.

The Belgians and Danes surrendered extremely quickly, thanks to a big fuck-off Nazi train, and the Dutch managed to derail it only for the Germans to pour out and start fighting them. Poland managed to conceal their gigantic fuck-off armoured trains in the woods. German air superiority was a significant reason why this strategy failed - and Germany itself built 24 BP24s over the course of the war. They saw extensive use during every campaign they had. They could be powered by far many more means than a tank fleet, they could fight just as well as a tank fleet and their only limitation is the fact they need to run on tracks.

The countries which have the most "history" with armoured trains are the Czechs and the Slovaks, who owe their independence in large part to the Czechoslovak Legion in the Russian Civil War - as the country collapsed around them, they had to set off on the 10,000km or so journey to Vladivostok in an armoured train.

Ukraine itself puts a huge amount of propaganda love to its rail system for evacuating so many civilians during the beginning of the war. Ukraine seems to understand how important the network is to the Russians. So when they see a big fuck-off train full of something and they don't immediately hit the panic button then I know it's an American opinion.

Russia's Railway Troops have a legendary-status war hero, Viktor Miroshnichenko, who had some kind of suicide-run and prevented an armoured train from crossing into the USSR by destroying the bridge, in a real "Last Man Alive" situation wherein he had been shot multiple times. The modern division are, at their core, a specialised branch of Sappers with 30,000 soldiers and many more civilian contractors. They have specialised troops and equipment, alongside replacement tracks and are trained to build and repair within hours of damage. Right now, Russia has deployed four armoured trains to the front. That's an interesting correlation. The USA, which is the only country that doesn't have a slightly hilarious story about an armoured train, is the only one who has avoided fighting a peer opponent for its entire history. Russia, which has had many extinction-level invasions throughout its history, has built an entire specialised Army for train wars.

My guess is that it's for construction - to rebuild as much of the rail system in Donbass as they can, and move as much raw materiel in-and-out of the area as possible. 2000 cars have a capacity of 50,000 tonnes, so they can lift around as much as the entire USAF can, several times a day if they really tried. They could move them back for civilian use, but unlike airliners, trains are robust. If you hit a train with a missile, it will be fixed within a few hours. They can just throw off whichever carts are damaged, repair the track and be back at it.

If you hit a plane, it's fucked.

In total, Russia is producing 25,000-50,000 flat-bed cars per year and has over a million total. The EU has around 66,000. Many of Russia's are variable-gauge, now, so they can actually be used in Europe too. Russia can now bring entire armies to anywhere in Eurasia within two weeks. If they keep building SAMs, and their network expands at the rate it is, then they could turn anywhere in Eurasia into a No-Fly-Zone, or dominate the air, at their leisure. Consider these trains as a naval asset, rather than silly trains.

ngl I do want to see the gigantic train trundle into Kiev, and for a hundred thousand North Koreans to pour out like a flood, overwhelming all defenders with Tae Kwon Do tricks.